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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:55:00 -
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My god..... I built my new gallente logi suit and ive died about..... 10 times in the last four hours. That might sound bad to pros but when im going 40 - 4, 30 - 3, 25 - 1 im more then happy with it!
My suit isn't hard to build, and after extensive testing today ive proven, at least to myself, that I can beat every suit 1 v 1 95% of the time. That 5% exception goes to the Caldari proto Logi (if its fitted a certain way), and even then its an epically close battle. Were talking he has 20 hp left and was the best player on their team by far.
But other then that the other team needs ATLEAST 2 people focused on just me to beat me..... I mean, ill give some people credit, they no how to strafe, and have good damage to back it up, but 90% of the time im just as good if not better at strafing, AND NOBODY is putting out more damage then I am....... I can truly say that ive only lost to three people today in a 1v1 fight. Two times was to a proto caldari logi by the named of..... "winged raith" or... atleast a name were there wsa a W and an R involved. He was an excellent player and it was fun fighting him. The other two times was to heavys..... one had a boundless and I misjudged that. The other one had an MH but I got cocky and thought I could take him head on close range. His strafing threw me off a bit.
Other then that ive won every other 1 v 1 engagement. lol im so happy again...... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3986
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:59:00 -
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Logi's upset me, a lot, in a philosophical way. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
486
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:02:00 -
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I hate how Logis, can be better at killing then an Assault suit. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
122
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:11:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:I hate how Logis, can be better at killing then an Assault suit.
I said this would happen months ago, no one gave a sh*t.
A caldari logi can 99% of the times fill the ASSAULT ROLE better than any assault suit.
Cons: A little less speed
Lack of side arm
Yellow color
Pros: The only suit with 9 Low/high powered slots
3 equipment slots
up to 25%+ racial bonus Shield extender efficiency
More CPU/PG than any assault suit.
-I run minmatar Novas+Shotgun , and i swear if i get a Respec im goinf Caldari logi.
4 - complex Shield extenders
1 - Complex Damage Mod
W -Creodon Shotgun
2 -Complex Kinetic Catalizers
1 - Complex Stamina (whatever the green flasks)
1- Complex Profile Dampner
Equipment : Whatever i can fit.
This way i will be able to shotgun even BETTER than with a Minmatar, having similar profile dampening and movement but with more than the Double the HP. (From 300 total HP to 711 Total HP).
******* S**t is OP, And since no one is going to fix it, may as well use it myself... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3986
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:13:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:And since no one is going to fix it, may as well use it myself...
::Casually rests the Duvolle rifle on his shoulder:: |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
222
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:24:00 -
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yeah my respec was a great moment/feeling, buncha crap choices gone, goodness in. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
738
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:******* S**t is OP, And since no one is going to fix it, may as well use it myself...
You do realise that OP stuff gets nerfed the worst eventually? It will happen and you'll regret your move when it does. So will many many people. And then we'll be back to demands for respecs again. *sigh*
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1995
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:25:00 -
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It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer... |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:30:00 -
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The AssLogi's time is probably going to be over soon. Don't know precisely how it'll end up. The Caldari Logi is going to drag all the other variants with it to hell, though, I doubt CCP will favour finetuning when there's a perfectly good sledgehammer lying about.
Maybe they'll surprise us, who knows. Hopefully in a good way. Nerfing Amarr and leaving Caldari mostly as it is would be a different kind of surprise.
Wait, how did that turn out so negative. I swear it's a conditioned reflex at this point.
Forget that. Sunshine 'n' rainbows soon, fellow Dusters. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:31:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer...
And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great...  |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1995
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:34:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer... And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great...
I'd rather be riding the spinning wheel then have the wheel spin around me. Lesser of two evils. Also gives them a chance to simply remove problem items so they can be reworked. What if they just removed all vehicles for a few months and then when they returned with capacitor, ewar, and all sorts of long sought tools. With regular respecs, you can do that without breaking the game. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:39:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer... And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great...
Yes, we'll give them respecs so that -everyone- can be FOTM. -Everyone- can be OP! And when everyone's OP...
...no-one will be.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3987
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:43:00 -
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What's amusing is that peoples fear of players jumping on the FoTM stems from their lack of trust for CCP when it comes to balancing their game
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
739
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:46:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer... And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great... I'd rather be riding the spinning wheel then have the wheel spin around me. Lesser of two evils.
I get that but if it ever happens, it will make the game entirely one dimensional and everyone will get bored and bugger off somewhere else. I already know many people who left after getting fed up with everyone using the tac ar before that got fixed - if you squeeze out anyone who doesn't just go FOTM, all that will be left is mercs shooting their identical fitting twins and the whole game becomes stale.
Noc Tempre wrote:Also gives them a chance to simply remove problem items so they can be reworked. What if they just removed all vehicles for a few months and then when they returned with capacitor, ewar, and all sorts of long sought tools. With regular respecs, you can do that without breaking the game.
They don't need to remove stuff to fix it; they can continue to do that in the background. Letting anyone skill into anything they want whenever they want invalidates the whole point of the skill system and we might as well just let everyone use everything and have no skills at all. Your point might not break the game in one way but it'll break it in a much much worse way. |
Son Down
SamsClub
8
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:47:00 -
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Logi's should only be able to fit a sidearm. Boom, problem solved, now they actually have to provide battlefield SUPPORT. Give me a Dev job. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3989
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:47:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Logi's should only be able to fit a sidearm. Boom, problem solved, now they actually have to provide battlefield SUPPORT. Give me a Dev job.
Flaylock is a front line weapon  |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1996
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:48:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer... And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great... I'd rather be riding the spinning wheel then have the wheel spin around me. Lesser of two evils. I get that but if it ever happens, it will make the game entirely one dimensional and everyone will get bored and bugger off somewhere else. I already know many people who left after getting fed up with everyone using the tac ar before that got fixed - if you squeeze out anyone who doesn't just go FOTM, all that will be left is mercs shooting their identical fitting twins and the whole game becomes stale.
Are you playing a different game than me? Because thats basically exactly what is happening, especially the bolded. Respecing lets the pendulum swing independant of CCP balance. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1752
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:48:00 -
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I hope logis get a nerfbat to the balls as soon as everyone is done respeccing to them |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
739
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:48:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:What's amusing is that peoples fear of players jumping on the FoTM stems from their lack of trust for CCP when it comes to balancing their game
Not really - it's inherent in any constantly developing system that there will never be perfect balance, as any change creates new balancing issues. Entropy always wins. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1996
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:48:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Logi's should only be able to fit a sidearm. Boom, problem solved, now they actually have to provide battlefield SUPPORT. Give me a Dev job.
Are you suggesting this change should be made with or without a respec? |
Son Down
SamsClub
9
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:51:00 -
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Respecs are fine.....WHEN THEY COST SOMETHING. There has to be some asspain involved in correcting your screw up. Everyone knows whats OP, no matter what line they give you on a forum board. Make respecs a significant investment of AUR=profit. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3990
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:53:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Respecs are fine.....WHEN THEY COST SOMETHING. There has to be some asspain involved in correcting your screw up. Everyone knows whats OP, no matter what line they give you on a forum board. Make respecs a significant investment of AUR=profit.
AUR is the wrong way to go for certain, that is opening a bad can of worms right there.
Better to have SP respecs cost a chunk of SP, to deter you from requesting one, especially multiple times. |
Son Down
SamsClub
11
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:58:00 -
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Doesn't matter which way, or both for that matter. Point is, the current cycle is unsustainable. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1882
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:59:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Logi's should only be able to fit a sidearm. Boom, problem solved, now they actually have to provide battlefield SUPPORT. Give me a Dev job.
...I'll give you a job just so I can fire you. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
739
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:00:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Django Quik wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer... And give everyone a chance to change into the next calogi tac OP fit whenever it comes along? Yeah, that'll be great... I'd rather be riding the spinning wheel then have the wheel spin around me. Lesser of two evils. I get that but if it ever happens, it will make the game entirely one dimensional and everyone will get bored and bugger off somewhere else. I already know many people who left after getting fed up with everyone using the tac ar before that got fixed - if you squeeze out anyone who doesn't just go FOTM, all that will be left is mercs shooting their identical fitting twins and the whole game becomes stale. Are you playing a different game than me? Because thats basically exactly what is happening, especially the bolded. Respecing lets the pendulum swing independant of CCP balance.
I must be because since the tac AR got fixed I've been seeing a huge range of weapons being used. Not allowing regular respecs stops people from being able to jump on bandwagons at will. So, if you put all your SP into flaylocks because they're obviously OP (not saying they are, just hypothetical), and they get fixed, you can't then just move all your points across into mass drivers because now they're awesome. You have to work your way into it just like everyone else.
Players should not be able to swing with the pendulum of balance; they should realise that it's a pendulum and that it will eventually swing back.
Take for instance the LASER rifle - some people specced into it for Uprising thinking it would be as OP as it was in Chromosome; they've probably all now respecced into something else because it's awful in Uprising but come 1.2 or 1.3 or whenever everything gets rebalanced, it will probably get a buff again and be usable once more. |
Son Down
SamsClub
11
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:01:00 -
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Must have struck a chord. You didn't by chance *gasp* spec into Logi's knowing they were OP did you!? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3990
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:02:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Players should not be able to swing with the pendulum of balance; they should realise that it's a pendulum and that it will eventually swing back.
Take for instance the LASER rifle - some people specced into it for Uprising thinking it would be as OP as it was in Chromosome; they've probably all now respecced into something else because it's awful in Uprising but come 1.2 or 1.3 or whenever everything gets rebalanced, it will probably get a buff again and be usable once more.
This works in EVE because there are actually things to do.
In DUST, even the strongest build gets boring, even the most amusing playstyle grows stale. When your only option to relieve your boredom is to play something that bores you for months on end / cost you actual $$, many players will simply set the game down or uninstall, and go play something else. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
739
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Django Quik wrote:Players should not be able to swing with the pendulum of balance; they should realise that it's a pendulum and that it will eventually swing back.
Take for instance the LASER rifle - some people specced into it for Uprising thinking it would be as OP as it was in Chromosome; they've probably all now respecced into something else because it's awful in Uprising but come 1.2 or 1.3 or whenever everything gets rebalanced, it will probably get a buff again and be usable once more. This works in EVE because there are actually things to do. In DUST, even the strongest build gets boring, even the most amusing playstyle grows stale. When your only option to relieve your boredom is to play something that bores you for months on end / cost you actual $$, many players will simply set the game down or uninstall, and go play something else.
Then you're fixing one problem by creating another - fix the right problem and create more content (things to do) and people won't get bored. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
360
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:11:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:It's almost like a semi-regular implementation of such a mechanic would keep the game fresher longer...
shhh you will wake up new edens ball garglers. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
116
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:14:00 -
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I would like to ask your fit OP. I fill 4 slots of equipment with advanced gear and barely have enough pg/cpu to fit a proto weapon and complex plate. Let alone put anything in the hi slots. The problem with logis now is people are able to abuse them by using cheap equipment or little at all and then beasting the tank. The logi can be OP, CCP needs to focus its role.
Logi bonus -10% to all equipment cpu/pg per level
Racial bonus - defense bonus that goes with lore
Lower cpu/pg a bit to force a decent tank with focus on equipment |
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