You lost me there. English is not my native language so pls elaborate.

Logi's should only be able to fit a sidearm. Boom, problem solved, now they actually have to provide battlefield SUPPORT. Give me a Dev job.

Are you suggesting this change should be made with or without a respec?

You people must have gone full blown ******** to suggest that the Logi suit should be restricted to a Side-arm when Calogi suit is the only problematic Logisuit, and Amarr and Gallente Logi suits are already underpowered as it is.

Thats actually the most simple yet efficient solution I have heard in a long time. +1

All those talks about making logi able of using only Sidearm is plain dumb.

If this was done, it would pretty much mean the death of the logi suit. Why ? Not because sidearm are useless but because people DONT want to be stuck with only sidearms, especially with the range system in Dust. So they'll go for another role.

So no, i would never support such a decision.

Now what can be done ? Here's a list of the logical and soft tweaks that could be done quickly :

Remove one mod slot on every logi suit except Amarr.

Remove Shield Ex bonus on Cal Logis

Remove the armor rep bonus
In my opinion it should be totally removed. Especially with the new plates being added soon.
Instead, what's the logic specialization bonus for logistics ? Imo 5% reduction PG\CPU cost per level to all equipments.

Balance shield delay that are insanely low atm
Especially Amarr who has a depleted delay LOWER than the regular delay. And 4/6s for the Cal Logi is just begging for a slap in the face. I mean, it's better than scout values... Except scout cant stockpile regulators. Should be 5/6. Which is still pretty damn good.

Nameshield delayShield delay Depleted
Assault ak.06s10s
Logistics ak.065 => 6/8
Logistics ck.046 => 5/6
Assault ck.05s8s
Assault gk.07s10s
Scout gk.04s8s
Logistics gk.066 => 7/8
Scout mk.04s8s
Assault mk.06s10s
Logistics mk.066 => 6/8

Make Bonuses for each race enhance the efficiency of equipments.
Depending on the new specialization bonus, add specific efficiency to equipments depending on the race : Amount of clones in drop uplinks, amount of HP restored, efficiency of repair guns, amount of nanite clusters in nanohives etc... The bonus to hacking for minmatar is a good one by the way. Feels very logistic.

Doing this would already take logistic back to what they're supposed to be. No native HP buffer will force them to use slots to actually tank, and one less mod slots will overall lower the available buffer possibilities. Equipment oriented bonuses will allow to reinforce them as logistic players, taking better equipment without need CPU\PG extensions through the CPU\PG reduction skill and using them to their top potential through specific racial bonuses enhancing their efficiency.

No need to cripple them to using only sidearms.

I like this guy, why is he only a replacement?

Actually i'm no longer replacement lol. I'm a permanent member of the CPM since fanfest where CCP realized a replacement is tough to handle and 6 people is better than 5 Guess we forgot to break the news though !

You people must have gone full blown ******** to suggest that the Logi suit should be restricted to a Side-arm when Calogi suit is the only problematic Logisuit, and Amarr and Gallente Logi suits are already underpowered as it is.

Yeah you are right, lets give Logis 4-5 more slots, double life, 3-4 equipment slots, better shield recharge time than the scouts and top it up with a 25% bonus to shield...oh and lets give them also the same weapon as the slayers. There...now we are balanced.

Gallente logi is far from underpowered. USed it since uprising and it's way more solid than the gallente assault.....

Also, Logi and "underpowered" in the same sentence is ridiculous in a way. Obviously a logi is underpowered compared to any other battle focus suit. It's a support role. So yeah, it's less powerfull for fighting. Except atm, it's not.

But side arm only for logis isnt the solution.

any suggestions that would have the same effect? My only point is that it would solve the problem, for the most part. It saddens me when I run into a proto logi squad running all AR and SR and clearly playing pure assault.

He just put out a d@mn good post - read back a bit.

so angry

Nah - sorry it come over that way. Internet can be tone deaf.

Only wanted to highlight the greatness of the post, not any frustration with you.

Yeah you are right, lets give Logis 4-5 more slots, double life, double PG CPU, 3-4 equipment slots, better shield recharge time than the scouts and top it up with a 25% bonus to shield...oh and lets give them also the same weapon as the slayers. There...now we are balanced.

Your point? Currently Minmatar is faster, can Shield tank better, which is superior to Armour tanking in every way, and proto CPU and PG upgrades pretty much mitigate the CPU/PG advantage gained from Gallente suits. Gallente standard suit is trash, advanced is barely better and both flat out inferior slot wise to Minmatar. while Minmatar suits are good at standard, advanced, and proto. Once the new Armour plates come out without a speed penalty, Minmatar's superiority will clearly be shown.

any suggestions that would have the same effect? My only point is that it would solve the problem, for the most part. It saddens me when I run into a proto logi squad running all AR and SR and clearly playing pure assault.

God forbid people running around with rifles in a FPS...

I thought my point was clear. I pointed out with blatant sarcasm that logis are overpowered in the current patch. In the previous patch they were right at their place, but now they fill every roles without drawbacks and it is killing the game because other classes get frustrated.

If the suits stay the same, I vote that we give the logis pellet guns.