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Marston VC wrote:

My god..... I built my new gallente logi suit and ive died about..... 10 times in the last four hours. That might sound bad to pros but when im going 40 - 4, 30 - 3, 25 - 1 im more then happy with it!

My suit isn't hard to build, and after extensive testing today ive proven, at least to myself, that I can beat every suit 1 v 1 95% of the time. That 5% exception goes to the Caldari proto Logi (if its fitted a certain way), and even then its an epically close battle. Were talking he has 20 hp left and was the best player on their team by far.

But other then that the other team needs ATLEAST 2 people focused on just me to beat me..... I mean, ill give some people credit, they no how to strafe, and have good damage to back it up, but 90% of the time im just as good if not better at strafing, AND NOBODY is putting out more damage then I am....... I can truly say that ive only lost to three people today in a 1v1 fight. Two times was to a proto caldari logi by the named of..... "winged raith" or... atleast a name were there wsa a W and an R involved. He was an excellent player and it was fun fighting him. The other two times was to heavys..... one had a boundless and I misjudged that. The other one had an MH but I got cocky and thought I could take him head on close range. His strafing threw me off a bit.

Other then that ive won every other 1 v 1 engagement. lol im so happy again......

ARE LOGIS OP DEBATE BELOW, YOU DONT NEED TO READ IT IF YOU DONT WANT TO THOUGH.

EDIT: some of you guys are bringing up the Logi is OP point..... so ill just mention my thoughts on it! Logi's as a whole..... might need a tweak. But heres the deal guys. Ive literally put 13.8 million SP into specializing this suit..... Is that not balance in itself? Its only as effective as it is because of the massive amount of research I did before respeccing, and the amount of points I put into specific things. The 3.5 million into the dropsuit, another 5 million into core upgrades, 2.5 million just for the weapon, then the rest spread out between the other essentials I needed. To get up to this level in my suit it would take atleast two months for a new player, and that's ONLY if they specialize soley into that.....

Now that's just the SP investment. The suit itself costs 230k Isk...... I PAY A PREMIUM to have an advantage over people, and that's just how this game works. If I die twice in a match then im in the red! That's simply because the suit takes sooooo much isk to produce.

Furthermore, im an armor tanked merc. Militia grenades can one hit kill me if their point blank, let alone proto grenades...... Theres severe crutches to this suit that just hack into its survivability. You guys are just so upset that you cant kill these suits in "YOUR WAY"..... its like this! You see a brick wall and instead of using the manual and sledgehammer lying to your right, you use the generic nailing hammer because that's the one your used to. Then when it doesn't work you get upset and claim that the wall is OP and that it needs to have less bricks causing it to just be a broken wall......

So yeah, do I think these things are OP? no I don't because theres ridiculous hard-counters to this stuff..... like seriously. (though I will admit the caldari logi might need to loose atleast one module slot...... 5 highs, 4 lows? really?)


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Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1627	Posted - 2013.06.25 11:46:00 - [1] - Quote Marston VC wrote: My god..... I built my new gallente logi suit and ive died about..... 10 times in the last four hours. That might sound bad to pros but when im going 40 - 4, 30 - 3, 25 - 1 im more then happy with it! My suit isn't hard to build, and after extensive testing today ive proven, at least to myself, that I can beat every suit 1 v 1 95% of the time. That 5% exception goes to the Caldari proto Logi (if its fitted a certain way), and even then its an epically close battle. Were talking he has 20 hp left and was the best player on their team by far. But other then that the other team needs ATLEAST 2 people focused on just me to beat me..... I mean, ill give some people credit, they no how to strafe, and have good damage to back it up, but 90% of the time im just as good if not better at strafing, AND NOBODY is putting out more damage then I am....... I can truly say that ive only lost to three people today in a 1v1 fight. Two times was to a proto caldari logi by the named of..... "winged raith" or... atleast a name were there wsa a W and an R involved. He was an excellent player and it was fun fighting him. The other two times was to heavys..... one had a boundless and I misjudged that. The other one had an MH but I got cocky and thought I could take him head on close range. His strafing threw me off a bit. Other then that ive won every other 1 v 1 engagement. lol im so happy again...... ARE LOGIS OP DEBATE BELOW, YOU DONT NEED TO READ IT IF YOU DONT WANT TO THOUGH. EDIT: some of you guys are bringing up the Logi is OP point..... so ill just mention my thoughts on it! Logi's as a whole..... might need a tweak. But heres the deal guys. Ive literally put 13.8 million SP into specializing this suit..... Is that not balance in itself? Its only as effective as it is because of the massive amount of research I did before respeccing, and the amount of points I put into specific things. The 3.5 million into the dropsuit, another 5 million into core upgrades, 2.5 million just for the weapon, then the rest spread out between the other essentials I needed. To get up to this level in my suit it would take atleast two months for a new player, and that's ONLY if they specialize soley into that..... Now that's just the SP investment. The suit itself costs 230k Isk...... I PAY A PREMIUM to have an advantage over people, and that's just how this game works. If I die twice in a match then im in the red! That's simply because the suit takes sooooo much isk to produce. Furthermore, im an armor tanked merc. Militia grenades can one hit kill me if their point blank, let alone proto grenades...... Theres severe crutches to this suit that just hack into its survivability. You guys are just so upset that you cant kill these suits in "YOUR WAY"..... its like this! You see a brick wall and instead of using the manual and sledgehammer lying to your right, you use the generic nailing hammer because that's the one your used to. Then when it doesn't work you get upset and claim that the wall is OP and that it needs to have less bricks causing it to just be a broken wall...... So yeah, do I think these things are OP? no I don't because theres ridiculous hard-counters to this stuff..... like seriously. (though I will admit the caldari logi might need to loose atleast one module slot...... 5 highs, 4 lows? really?) Your point regarding SP investment and ISK cost arent valid. What's the difference between a guy spending 13.8 Million in a gallente logi to make it an assault type soldier. And a guy spending the same amount in a a pure assault suit ? I spent the exact same amount as you (13.8 honest) in minmatar assault after the respec, core skills, weapon, nades, etc... Every SP investment being about making a better assault. And yet, pretty much 95% of the fits i'd like to build require a CPU\PG extension or both. And my best fit costs 210K ISK. So where's the difference exactly ? The thing is that a logistic shouldnt, in any case, be able to get more hp nor damage output than an assault (or a heavy) with the same SP investment. It's pretty much written in its genetic code the moment it's called "Logistic". Everything you mention about nades or any anti armor weapon being the way to kill you is also totally irrelevant in that debate. As the same goes for any gallente assault suit. The only real downside to logi is base speed and sprint. And it's not that much of a problem for CAL Logis who can easily add kinetic catalyzer to compensate sprint. Cal Logi probably ends up being faster than an assault Cal sprint wise. So yeah. Problem sticks imo. Logis are OP. In fact OP is just an ugly word for misplaced. All i hope is that when balance is effectively done, CCP wont break to giving another respec. Coz flavor of the month is something everyone KNOWS can change pretty quickly. As a CPM member, i know i will strongly oppose to any form of global respec after balance pass. Otherwise, it's gonna be a giant cry fest everytime there's even the slightest adjustment to anything in the game.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1636	Posted - 2013.06.26 08:56:00 - [2] - Quote All those talks about making logi able of using only Sidearm is plain dumb. If this was done, it would pretty much mean the death of the logi suit. Why ? Not because sidearm are useless but because people DONT want to be stuck with only sidearms, especially with the range system in Dust. So they'll go for another role. So no, i would never support such a decision. Now what can be done ? Here's a list of the logical and soft tweaks that could be done quickly : Remove one mod slot on every logi suit except Amarr. Remove Shield Ex bonus on Cal Logis Remove the armor rep bonus In my opinion it should be totally removed. Especially with the new plates being added soon. Instead, what's the logic specialization bonus for logistics ? Imo 5% reduction PG\CPU cost per level to all equipments. Balance shield delay that are insanely low atm Especially Amarr who has a depleted delay LOWER than the regular delay. And 4/6s for the Cal Logi is just begging for a slap in the face. I mean, it's better than scout values... Except scout cant stockpile regulators. Should be 5/6. Which is still pretty damn good. Nameshield delayShield delay Depleted Assault ak.06s10s Logistics ak.065 => 6/8 Logistics ck.046 => 5/6 Assault ck.05s8s Assault gk.07s10s Scout gk.04s8s Logistics gk.066 => 7/8 Scout mk.04s8s Assault mk.06s10s Logistics mk.066 => 6/8 Make Bonuses for each race enhance the efficiency of equipments. Depending on the new specialization bonus, add specific efficiency to equipments depending on the race : Amount of clones in drop uplinks, amount of HP restored, efficiency of repair guns, amount of nanite clusters in nanohives etc... The bonus to hacking for minmatar is a good one by the way. Feels very logistic. Doing this would already take logistic back to what they're supposed to be. No native HP buffer will force them to use slots to actually tank, and one less mod slots will overall lower the available buffer possibilities. Equipment oriented bonuses will allow to reinforce them as logistic players, taking better equipment without need CPU\PG extensions through the CPU\PG reduction skill and using them to their top potential through specific racial bonuses enhancing their efficiency. No need to cripple them to using only sidearms.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1637	Posted - 2013.06.26 09:07:00 - [3] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: I like this guy, why is he only a replacement? Actually i'm no longer replacement lol. I'm a permanent member of the CPM since fanfest where CCP realized a replacement is tough to handle and 6 people is better than 5 Guess we forgot to break the news though !
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1639	Posted - 2013.06.26 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote loumanchew wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: You people must have gone full blown ******** to suggest that the Logi suit should be restricted to a Side-arm when Calogi suit is the only problematic Logisuit, and Amarr and Gallente Logi suits are already underpowered as it is. Yeah you are right, lets give Logis 4-5 more slots, double life, 3-4 equipment slots, better shield recharge time than the scouts and top it up with a 25% bonus to shield...oh and lets give them also the same weapon as the slayers. There...now we are balanced. Gallente logi is far from underpowered. USed it since uprising and it's way more solid than the gallente assault..... Also, Logi and "underpowered" in the same sentence is ridiculous in a way. Obviously a logi is underpowered compared to any other battle focus suit. It's a support role. So yeah, it's less powerfull for fighting. Except atm, it's not. But side arm only for logis isnt the solution.