And that's gonna help the who game how? Instead of having one OP suit you would have two? Is that a step toward balancing the game? Ppl who run heavy and lol scout are already a slim enthusiast minority.

I have something to say, regarding people saying logis are suppose to do this, assaults are suppose to do this, ok maybe there originally meant for that.... but the point of the game and the most unique part for that matter is being able to take a suit and then change it and customize to meet your needs and wants as a player. As soon as caladari heavies come out I may want a cal heavy with an assault rifle, who cares if there not suppose to use ar's, I can use the suit as w/e and in any way I want. So people quit fussing about an assault logi ffs, if you think there too good, then skill into them. Bottom line if the suits are made to only be able to run them or be effective in 1 way, for example logi being logi, well then there goes our unique one of a kind customization. The ability to be unique and diffrent in your customization, is my favorite part of this game, and truly makes it diffrent from all others. Dont encourage ccp to ruin the game plz, if you dont like it, play blk ops.

To use an EVE term, you don't fit a Logistics Cruiser to do Damage, you fit it to repair and re-energize... if you want an Attack Cruiser, buy one.

But this is not EVE, this is a High custom FPS ( wath e3 trailer, play your own war).
What you need to do in dust to gain sp il KILL people.

I think the Cal.logi need to be look at. BUT for the sake of god, leave other logi ALONE. no other logi is OP

But the same principal applies to fitting...

Choosing a Suit is part of the customization process.

Well a big change like the one you suggest should come with a skill respec, because nobody will want to use a Logistics suits if they are made any weaker than they already are.

Another skill respect would just make something else the flavour of the month.

You chose your role, and choices have consequences. If what you play is nerfed, you shouldn't be given the opportunity to renege on your choice.

Another skill respect would just make something else the flavour of the month.

You chose your role, and choices have consequences. If what you play is nerfed, you shouldn't be given the opportunity to renege on your choice.

I chose APPLES but I got PEARS instead because they were out of APPLES. Not something I would have called a CHOICE.

Why are we still talking about a NERF? A quick glance over this thread would say enough if you ask me.

We've moved beyond discussion of the nerf.

We've moved into the realm of respecs it seems.

I thought we were talking about your idea to change logis to a useless dropsuit and that the current logis should just embrace that change.

Last time I saw LAVs mostly rack up skills by using their bumpers. Talking about turret-damage is stupid at this point and LLAVS gets other bonuses too, does that mean we get them too?

What about all the LLAVS are OP threads? Do they count? Why base a "balance" on something else that is" not balanced"?

Last time I saw LAVs mostly rack up skills by using their bumpers. Talking about turret-damage is stupid at this point and LLAVS gets other bonuses too, does that mean we get them too?

What about all the LLAVS are OP threads? Do they count? Why base a "balance" on something else that is" not balanced"?

Regardless of what they're being used for... "and if you think being run over by a car wouldn't kill you, i'm sorry.. but go step into the street and test it while wearing a suit of armor... you still wont come back", what I'm basing it on is the design PRINCIPAL... higher defencive capability, lower Offensive capability. Where as Assaults should be reversed... Higher Offensive Cap, lower Defensive cap.

Regardless of what they're being used for... "and if you think being run over by a car wouldn't kill you, i'm sorry.. but go step into the street and test it while wearing a suit of armor... you still wont come back", what I'm basing it on is the design PRINCIPAL... higher defencive capability, lower Offensive capability. Where as Assaults should be reversed... Higher Offensive Cap, lower Defensive cap.

The same as pandering to the stupid people nerfing tanks that cost far more than your Logi Suit.

The point of this debate is that Logistics SHOULD be focused on support, with lessened combat effectiveness, but greater survival.

Reducing their HP would result in them being eliminated far too fast to be of any use in the short term. This coupled with the fact that they can effectively do the same damage as an Assault means they bring two positives to the field simultaneously.

You don't look to the Guys hold a Swarm to take out Infantry at long range, nor the guy with the Shotgun.

Lower their combat effectiveness somewhat, make them less apt to be combative, but just as (in some cases more) survivable, so they are more supportive.

I see both LLAVs and logis killing people.
I don't see LLAVs supporting infantry or vehicles, I do see logis repping them both.
We should discuss LLAVs so they do more support too then.

If you want to discuss a possible solution then there should be a clear PROBLEM to begin with, maybe I missed it?

LOOK, THERE'S A MIN LOGI, QUICK OR HE'S GONNA HACK US TO DEATH!!!!!!!!

LOOK, THERE ANOTHER GAL LOGI,QUICK OR HE'S GONNA THROW ALL HIS EQUIP UPON US.

LOOK, THERE'S AN AMARR LOG...ah, no amar logi execpt Jastad and other few.....


Jokes aside, i beg you. STOP thinking hi-creative solution for easy solving problem, simply change cal logi bonus

and reduce the numbers of slots it has.

caldari logi has 9 module stots in total. that needs to be fixed.

CaLogis have the worse base stats out of all the logis and don't get a sidearm like the Amarr at proto level. They pay a price for those slots. Start with the racial bonus and see where that takes you.

Out of all the arguments for a nerf the one topic that consistantly is brought up are their shields. The flux grenade is the counter. It is fully anti shield and I can carry 3 of them at a time. If you want to dedicate an assault suit to killing caldari logis then you need 3 things. 1 flux grenades 2 scrambler rifle (proto if possible) 3 M-3 nanohive for grenade resupply. This can be done with any assault class suit even the militia assault and be successful. There is always a counter to the Cal Logi and as such it is balanced, just because it works for more than one thing well does not mean it needs a nerf.

Look at the above post, he says GODMODE like the Caldari Logi is the only one with a god mode. There are ways to fit ALL the dropsuits so that they survive like a God but they require the right skills to do so. They also require forethought, and the right circumstances to pull off. In the right circumstances you can also kill any player on the field, so just what is it that needs balance? The reason why the Cal Logi is a successfully skilled suit is the shield bonus and the fact that any player worth their salt realizes that Shield Upgrades 5 gives them 25% more shields. This is a suit that can have 90% of their HP wiped out with one grenade.

I know, I used to be a CALDARI Logi and found that the armor is not enough to withstand a TAC AR or HMG or Scrambler pistol/rifle or even a militia assault rifle for more than 3 shots or one burst. Dead is dead no matter how you get there, the vast majority of the Caldari Logis on the field are still dying and are not as OP as you claim them to be.

make it a requirement for logi's to have they're equip slots filled in order for fitting to be valid..

The 2 extra HP/s is worth it imo.

Gallente logis start with the same base stats and you know what we get? The weakest-slowest suit in the game we have the HP of a scout with the mobility of a heavy

CaLogis have the worse base stats out of all the logis and don't get a sidearm like the Amarr at proto level. They pay a price for those slots. Start with the racial bonus and see where that takes you.