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RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.16 11:08:00 -
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I'm pretty sure players would do better in an assault dropsuit if they tried.
just another ooh-look-at-Caldari-logi-adjust-ALL-logis-threads...
I'm dissapointed. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.16 16:11:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:
The point of this debate is that Logistics SHOULD be focused on support, with lessened combat effectiveness, but greater survival.
I wouldn't say that lesser HP and a slower movement speed equals greater survival. I don't really see an adjustment for survival in your initial post?
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.16 16:30:00 -
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I read over the 'but just as'-part, but your initial post didn't mention anything on the survival-part so I thought it was weird it suddenly got included in the point of this debate.
I still don't think anything has to be changed to the logi-role itself. I can perfectly support my team with killing and healing,...and I'm pretty sure that I'm better at the killing-part if I skill into assault suits if I want to focus on that part alone. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:11:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:
Another skill respect would just make something else the flavour of the month.
You chose your role, and choices have consequences. If what you play is nerfed, you shouldn't be given the opportunity to renege on your choice.
I chose APPLES but I got PEARS instead because they were out of APPLES. Not something I would have called a CHOICE.
Why are we still talking about a NERF? A quick glance over this thread would say enough if you ask me.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:28:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:RKKR wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:
Another skill respect would just make something else the flavour of the month.
You chose your role, and choices have consequences. If what you play is nerfed, you shouldn't be given the opportunity to renege on your choice.
I chose APPLES but I got PEARS instead because they were out of APPLES. Not something I would have called a CHOICE. Why are we still talking about a NERF? A quick glance over this thread would say enough if you ask me. We've moved beyond discussion of the nerf. We've moved into the realm of respecs it seems.
I thought we were talking about your idea to change logis to a useless dropsuit and that the current logis should just embrace that change. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:36:00 -
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Last time I saw LAVs mostly rack up skills by using their bumpers. Talking about turret-damage is stupid at this point and LLAVS gets other bonuses too, does that mean we get them too?
What about all the LLAVS are OP threads? Do they count? Why base a "balance" on something else that is" not balanced"? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:48:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:RKKR wrote:Last time I saw LAVs mostly rack up skills by using their bumpers. Talking about turret-damage is stupid at this point and LLAVS gets other bonuses too, does that mean we get them too?
What about all the LLAVS are OP threads? Do they count? Why base a "balance" on something else that is" not balanced"? Regardless of what they're being used for... "and if you think being run over by a car wouldn't kill you, i'm sorry.. but go step into the street and test it while wearing a suit of armor... you still wont come back", what I'm basing it on is the design PRINCIPAL... higher defencive capability, lower Offensive capability. Where as Assaults should be reversed... Higher Offensive Cap, lower Defensive cap.
I'm not saying that LAVs shouldn't kill us on impact in my previous post...
You are stating that logis should have less damage because of LLAVS have less damage, while most LAV-kills are made by bumping into the enemy.
I'm saying that LLAVS still rack up kills with their bumper (doing no less damage than other LAVS, maybe more since they have a higher survivabilty) So clearly it's useless to base your changes on something that is rarely used (= the turrets on LAVS).
PS: I added something to my previous post too. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:12:00 -
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I see both LLAVs and logis killing people.
I don't see LLAVs supporting infantry or vehicles, I do see logis repping them both.
We should discuss LLAVs so they do more support too then.
If you want to discuss a possible solution then there should be a clear PROBLEM to begin with, maybe I missed it? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:37:00 -
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So maybe you are an exception to the rule?
You still want to change all logis because others decide to use the caldari logi as an assault? I'm pretty sure that some players play the support role with it too.
Let's start over because I'm starting to believe I'm so confused I don't see the initial problem.
Give me a clearly written post on what the problem is. Here is a nice post you can use as a blueprint.
If it's a valid problem we can start with the discussions. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
107
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Posted - 2013.06.19 09:17:00 -
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We're probably going to have to wait on patch 5.1.4 |
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