30-40% STFU

even 25% would be a benefit. The Logistics LAV has an inherent 25% reduction to it's damage output.

I think most people are aware of the Caldari Logistics ability to tank. It's written plain as day in their description, and it's being abused under the current mechanic. Not because it's a bad mechanic, but the fact there is NO downside to running said Logi... you give up a Sidearm, to gain:

- More Shields
- More PG
- More CPU
- More Equipment

I have a simple solution. Reduce the damage done by logistics Suits by 30-40%, across the board. Just a flat reduction in 'weapons' damage. (So Remote Explosives, Grenades etc are still as effective, but your guns are not.)

Give them a detriment equal to their advantage. At the moment there is only one downside to running a Logistics Suit as an Assault, and it's nothing comparative to what you gain.

This damage reduction would be applicable to ALL Logistics Suits, putting them into a support role, where they should be. Not as a Frontline Attacker.

Don't change anything, flux grenades are devastating enough to shield-tankers. If I hear flux going off I have to run scared because my armor is so squishy. The assault bonus just isn't that good, and most people are carrying AV grenades to cope with murder taxis. Instead of making logistics suits worthless like the crybabies want, improve the assault class bonus.

I like the logistics suit and I can be a frontline attacker if I feel like it, GTFO.

I think most people are aware of the Caldari Logistics ability to tank. It's written plain as day in their description, and it's being abused under the current mechanic. Not because it's a bad mechanic, but the fact there is NO downside to running said Logi... you give up a Sidearm, to gain:

- More Shields
- More PG
- More CPU
- More Equipment

I have a simple solution. Reduce the damage done by logistics Suits by 30-40%, across the board. Just a flat reduction in 'weapons' damage. (So Remote Explosives, Grenades etc are still as effective, but your guns are not.)

Give them a detriment equal to their advantage. At the moment there is only one downside to running a Logistics Suit as an Assault, and it's nothing comparative to what you gain.

This damage reduction would be applicable to ALL Logistics Suits, putting them into a support role, where they should be. Not as a Frontline Attacker.

You must be drunk, please go home.

If this were to happen I would drop my controller, delete Dust 514 and move on. You must have never played a logistics suit, if you did you would know that, aside from the CaLogi, we are extremely weak in the battlefield in terms of EHP and Mobility, and we can't defend ourselves well in 1v1 combat if we run out of ammo. No logistics suit can surpass its assault variant in terms of EHP and speed, except for the CaLogi, even with more PG and CPU, all it means is that we can use proto modules a little bit faster before we need CPU/PG skills but in the long run a assault suit is able to use all proto modules and a proto weapon, and have enough PG/CPU left for a nanohive.

@Jackal
Amarr LKogistics bonus increases survivability.

It's beacuse oh his high surv that we have very very few A-logi.
Dont make me laugh, if i want surv id better go gallente or minmatar. Amar logi is ALL about versatility.
People must stop watching numbers alone and TRY before speech about. If YOU do this, you will find that Amarr suit is usefull only at his AK0 (simply because is at proto lvl that you gain Side slot) and trade it with LACK of PG Vs other Logi but also vs amarr Ass.

Cosgar made a good topic, and show people that EXCEPT of CAL LOGI, all the others Logi are inferior to their ass counterpart.
So the only issue is the CAL Logi.
feel free to search Cosgar topic.


PS: following OP line of thinking why Ass are able to replenish or use equip, thats Logi work.So let's remove all equip slot from ASS suit....
This line show how wrong your ideas are

Amarr logis get 25% on already low numbers, if they were to use all their 3 low slots on armor reppers they only get 28.44 armor repair which is only 5 more repping than any other suit with 3 armor repairs. Also forcing somebody into a playstyle is no way to build a "sandbox" FPS, we are already constrained enough in this game as it is. Also I do acknowledge that there should be some role differences but cutting our damage, thus indirectly our survivability is no way to go. Why not just buff the damage of the assault suit by 10%? Oh wait here is a little fact you don't know, aside from the Caldari every assault suit can remove a shield for a Complex damage modifier and still have more EHP/Speed/Damage than its logistics variant.

I know people hate to quote it, but EVE Online is a sandbox game... if you want to shield tank as your speciality, you can heabvily modify a normal 'armor tanking ship, and ignore bonuses, or you can fly Caldari, or Minmatar (some of them anyway)

Sandbox doesn't mean EVERY suit should be able to be played ANY way, or we should just have a single suit with 4 highs, 4 lows, Light Weapon and Sidearm. No bonuses, nothing. Just a plain, suit, capable of being fit anyway you'd like.

Your right no suit should be able to play every single way, and thats why Logistics suits are relatively weaker, slower than a Assault suit, with less offensive capabilities.

Logistics suits are not 'relatively weaker' in most respects. You can fit more, you say that you can fit modules of higher tier earlier, and that assault catch up.

A Logi with those same skills (but being logi) can fit far more. % bonuses enhance those with higher base stats, and Logis have higher base stats.

Equipment, especially in PC matches with the ability to throw down up to 6 or more drop uplinks, makes the difference. The ability to also throw down nanohives, makes a difference. Putting the Assault Suits on the back burner. Since they can fit only 1 piece of Equipment.

If Logis were nerfed by reducing their PG CPU to assault levels, it would have the same outcry, but it wouldn't hurt their ability to solo. I'd take that option. TYhis is posted as a possible solution.

There are 2 ways to stop logis being used as assaults:

1) replace the light weapon slot with a sidearm slot only
or
2) remove at least half of the hi and low slots

Logistics suits are not 'relatively weaker' in most respects. You can fit more, you say that you can fit modules of higher tier earlier, and that assault catch up.

A Logi with those same skills (but being logi) can fit far more. % bonuses enhance those with higher base stats, and Logis have higher base stats.

Logistics should be bringing support. I think the disconnect here is that many of you think logistics means medic.

I bring proto uplinks (don't remember cost) and proto nanohives (2x @ 28,000 isk). My suit costs a LOT more than an assault.

This is truly a case of pandering to stupid people if they nerf logistics suits.

The point of this debate is that Logistics SHOULD be focused on support, with lessened combat effectiveness, but greater survival.

I wouldn't say that lesser HP and a slower movement speed equals greater survival. I don't really see an adjustment for survival in your initial post?

The same as pandering to the stupid people nerfing tanks that cost far more than your Logi Suit.

The point of this debate is that Logistics SHOULD be focused on support, with lessened combat effectiveness, but greater survival.

Reducing their HP would result in them being eliminated far too fast to be of any use in the short term. This coupled with the fact that they can effectively do the same damage as an Assault means they bring two positives to the field simultaneously.

You don't look to the Guys hold a Swarm to take out Infantry at long range, nor the guy with the Shotgun.

Lower their combat effectiveness somewhat, make them less apt to be combative, but just as (in some cases more) survivable, so they are more supportive.