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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.16 11:16:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:I think most people are aware of the Caldari Logistics ability to tank. It's written plain as day in their description, and it's being abused under the current mechanic. Not because it's a bad mechanic, but the fact there is NO downside to running said Logi... you give up a Sidearm, to gain:
- More Shields - More PG - More CPU - More Equipment
I have a simple solution. Reduce the damage done by logistics Suits by 30-40%, across the board. Just a flat reduction in 'weapons' damage. (So Remote Explosives, Grenades etc are still as effective, but your guns are not.)
Give them a detriment equal to their advantage. At the moment there is only one downside to running a Logistics Suit as an Assault, and it's nothing comparative to what you gain.
This damage reduction would be applicable to ALL Logistics Suits, putting them into a support role, where they should be. Not as a Frontline Attacker.
LOOK, THERE'S A MIN LOGI, QUICK OR HE'S GONNA HACK US TO DEATH!!!!!!!!
LOOK, THERE ANOTHER GAL LOGI,QUICK OR HE'S GONNA THROW ALL HIS EQUIP UPON US.
LOOK, THERE'S AN AMARR LOG...ah, no amar logi execpt Jastad and other few.....
Jokes aside, i beg you. STOP thinking hi-creative solution for easy solving problem, simply change cal logi bonus |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.16 13:02:00 -
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@Jackal Amarr LKogistics bonus increases survivability.
It's beacuse oh his high surv that we have very very few A-logi. Dont make me laugh, if i want surv id better go gallente or minmatar. Amar logi is ALL about versatility. People must stop watching numbers alone and TRY before speech about. If YOU do this, you will find that Amarr suit is usefull only at his AK0 (simply because is at proto lvl that you gain Side slot) and trade it with LACK of PG Vs other Logi but also vs amarr Ass.
Cosgar made a good topic, and show people that EXCEPT of CAL LOGI, all the others Logi are inferior to their ass counterpart. So the only issue is the CAL Logi. feel free to search Cosgar topic.
PS: following OP line of thinking why Ass are able to replenish or use equip, thats Logi work.So let's remove all equip slot from ASS suit.... This line show how wrong your ideas are
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.16 15:12:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:There are 2 ways to stop logis being used as assaults:
1) replace the light weapon slot with a sidearm slot only or 2) remove at least half of the hi and low slots
Are you people so MAD?
what treath can i pose to an Enemy with a side arm? how can i support you if i cant kill anyone shooting back at you ARcodboys. How can you be so blind...
When EVERY (Usefull ) weapon OUT-DPS the most powerfull repper, what help can a logi do?
Talking like this is like saying : " Let's remove all equip from ass suit and watch them all meleee to death if a logi is not in the match"
STOP thinking HI-CREATIVE solution for Easy solving problem. The Only Issue is the Cal.Logi e we all concorde on this. BUT only on cal.logi.
Jeez is the same think than suggest a -20% dmg to ALL the Ar for correct the TAC problem
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:46:00 -
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Like Cross Atu siad, the problem here is that how calling for an "NERF ALL THE LOGI" probably dind't use the other logi suit or is simply butthurt that a logi kill him
MIN,Gal logi are FINE. Amarr is a little under but thread it pure power for it's versatility and thats fine with me ( i hope little more pg, but is not so important) |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: Edit: But if you want us to use nothing but sidearms, then assaults and scouts should give up their equipment slots.
I suggest the same thing if that happen. Let's watch all the ARCODBOYS melee to death and hope that one logi with a hive is in the match |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:37:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote: To use an EVE term, you don't fit a Logistics Cruiser to do Damage, you fit it to repair and re-energize... if you want an Attack Cruiser, buy one.
But this is not EVE, this is a High custom FPS ( wath e3 trailer, play your own war). What you need to do in dust to gain sp il KILL people.
I think the Cal.logi need to be look at. BUT for the sake of god, leave other logi ALONE. no other logi is OP |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:40:00 -
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Ok here we go again.
For the sake of god, can YOU explain me, with the sidearm change, how can we support?
Let's bring out (again) an example:
How can i support you when EVERY (useful ) Weapon OUTDAMAGE the most powerfull repper? this mean that,even if i only follow you with repper, i cant keep you alive. So they need to kill you and then easy kill me because, SURPRISE!!!!!! i only have a side arm and they outrange me ( because let's remember for people who forgot it, logi are SLOWER)
the second and most important thing is that you ARcodBoys forgot that a side arm is GOLD. I Choose amarr because of it ( an because Amarr are stylish, but thats another story)
Hell with a side arm you can cover your weekness, you can have a Proto scrambler that make shield suck and a proto SMG that makes armor suck. Go ask Askull legend or 13ear how many people they killed with the m209smg.
Stop denying the bonus that having a side arm can grant.
when CCP solve hit detect problem ( Can't rain forever) having a side arm mean difference from Switch to side and kill the target or reloading and die gracefully.
if sidearm is not your concern it's not my problem. You have many way to make a logi suck, just found them. Hell is like complaining that you have Jessica Alba as your wife because you want Sasha Grey......
AGAIN cal.logi need to be seen, for me just lower the racial bonus or change it with caldari ass suit ( but lower it to 2%) With this we have an assoult who have bonus on shield module and a logi that reload faster with his only weapon. thats an idea that i think right now, it's 2.38 for my timezone, i ask forgive in advice if it's not written too clearly.
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:17:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:If Logis only had a Sidearm slot instead of a light weapon slot, then they'd be just as useful for Support and no where near as capable as Assaults.
Just swap the Logi Light weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Anyone who disagrees only wants to keep their 3/4 Equipment slot Assault suit.
Sidearms will allow the Logi to contribute to DPS without being a Slayer-logi.
PLEASE
Show us a vids when you go only with a side for al match, and let's see us HOW can you support.
until then, STFU |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:19:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT.
Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm.
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:20:00 -
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So you are another ALL-TALK NO PROF That's fine.
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:24:00 -
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Ok, i will try to feed the troll, let's see what happen....
I love to repat myself: STOP THINKING HI CREATIVE SOLUTION in response of EASY solving problem.
And for the sake of god: STOP LOOKING AT PUBSCRUB for think balance. PUB match DONT COUNT. I can kill people with only the flylock but that's not a viable solution when you start to do CORP BATTLE. jeez.... |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:26:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT. Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm. I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit.
I USE AN AMARR SUIT, FOR THE SAKE OF GOD!!!!!
Please, stop wasting our time, READ THE ******* 9 Page THREAD and than reply. |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:30:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:cy6 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT. Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm. I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit. flaylock doesnt count as a sidearm imo. why? bc its not a last ditch effort gun TBH, Flaylock is the sidearm I am least skilled into. Last bit of free intel any of you are getting. I will continue to stand by my assertion that Sidearm-only Logi is THE way to solve the "Logis being used as an Assault" problem.
Let's see how you do well when the flylock gets Nerfed, because the ARcodboys are crying for it |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:38:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
No it's not being bullied.
IT's called READ BEFORE POST.
We all made a 9 page thread of answer.
if you BOTHER to read, you'll see the all the LOGI are for a rework of the Cal.LOGI, the only e real problem.
Because, and that are stat talking ( feel free to search COSGAR Thread or CROSS ATU reply in this thread) LOGI are inferior to their Ass counterpart.
and again, stop counting what you do in pubscrub match, thta dosent count in balance terms. Jeez they did with the Heavy and look what we have now.... |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:41:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: BTW, Customization within Roles is what the game is about, otherwise CCP would just give us T3 Heavys and be done with everything.
AND that's CCP think, when showing on the E3 trailer, a heavy with a sniper rifle....
NICE HIT Sherlock |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:44:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: I still stand by my assertion that Logis can make due with just a Sidearm Slot.
Also, so you know, I tried getting Heavys buffed (aside from their movement speed).
SURPRISE i Want heavy buffed and i want to be killed by a heavy when i met him in cqc, right now i can kill him/run away.
do you know where that come from? from making game balance based on pubscrub match.
You can stay with your idea an that's your think, but in PC/CORP battle that simple isn't viable. |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:58:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: Scrubs gonna love their new scrub suit when they get it. SURPRAISE again if you watch the trailer you'll see that the Heavy was using a SMG, a fitting that you can do right now.
*COUG* Look or read before talk *COUGH* |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:59:00 -
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@Alaika
Oh BTW, i'm still waiting you tell me how my Amarr Logi is OP or superior to Amarr Ass. |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:04:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:@Alaika
Oh BTW, i'm still waiting you tell me how my Amarr Logi is OP or superior to Amarr Ass. I wouldn't dirty myself in one of those suits. I trust in rust.
AH a GDR Reply!!!! now i like it.
I answer with the only answer a true Amarr can state:
Hey Min, do you know what have in common a Limbus tyre and a Minmatar? For both exist CHAIN !!!
Glory to the Empress |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:13:00 -
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GDR Jokes aside, I'm going to bed. reading all the answer tomorrow (it's VERY VERY late in my timezone) |
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:17:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: You think I'm RPing here? No, I just stick with the race I picked. Once I have explored it completely, then I'll go after the others
I do the same thing, but i'm an Amarr loyal and i like GDR, it bother me to death dont have enough pg for use Only Amarr weap. |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 10:47:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:To solve the Caldari Logi issue simply get this to happen:
*the Caldari Logi's only handheld weapon is a Sidearm.
A fit with this can still be effective against infantry to some extent. Don't tell it's bad, I ran Minmatar logi (look at that fat hitbox) before Uprising with only an SMG and could still beat strong players. Also, read the description of the Caldari logi to see why Sidearm only (with all the preposterous health) is actually acceptable.
Why not simply Switch Cal.Logi and Cal.ASS Lower it a bit so Cal.ASS dont get too much. We all concorde that Cal.logi need to be look at. But instead of the nerf hammer why dont we use the Nerf scalpel?
Alldin you are a Very good player with a very good team. So your team can focus on kill and, most important, DO KILL. Sometimes you squad with people with less skill than you, and you have to help them doing dmg.
Before Uprising we had lower HP and, most important, SS and SSpro. and weap had a litte more range.
SS and SSpro made weapon for CQC only to short-Medium Engage. with a smart movement it was possibile to kill opponents.
Right now, a side arm only weap isn't viable.
Dont get me wrong, i hate the ARcodBOYS who love to easy win and dirt the real LOGIBRO, But the idea on this thread are based on PUBS.
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.19 10:53:00 -
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That's a dangerous line to walk.
Because if we follow that line of thinking, the next step is remove the equip slot from other classes and half clip of every ammo. Because, you know, Logi are for support role. Than we all see ARCODboys change in MELEECODBOYS |
Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:00:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote: CRAPPY IDEA
For god's sake.
Let's try again, let's see if you understand.
You're all talking like ALL logi were OP. Survavibility and damage are not an option. Again, how can i help you when all useful weap outclass the most powerfull rep per? how can i ress you if i go down easier and ALSO be slow. That's mean you arrive later at gunfight and simply die, because ASSboys died before you.
First, let's talk about the Logi I use, The Amarr.
Amarr suit gets bonus, but it's total Bonus (with 2 for complex rep slot) mean you rep 20/ sec. Guess what, ANY SUIT with 3sloth can do that. It's racial bonus simply make viable use a STD plate+2 complex rep. Why i choose amarr suit, knowing that is so under power when it come to other logistic suit?
ONE WORD Versatility. I trade it's LOW PG,LOW SLOT for a Side arm slot ( Usually ASSBoys didn't think HOW much is important have a side) I can become An ANTI HAV- a FIELD EXPLOSIVE Logi, A Uplink LOGI, a HIVE Logi, A REPPER LOGI.
Due to my low PG i cant equip ALL proto equip that i want to carry, i must switch between suit. ah, just for saying,No damage mods, No proto Weapon for me, and forced to use flylock due to it's low pg ( i want my SMG back)
And for make the cake mor delicious, forced to use AK0 to use my specc potential. That mean that every death is 138.000 ISK
I can make other example for MINNIE and GALLI.
The only thing to do is to SIMPLY SWITCH CAL LOGI BONUS WITH ASS BONUS, with this change we will have:
1) ASS suit get's a booster, but due to it's low ( not so low, but thats another story) 4 sloth cant go TOO HIGH ( dont forget upper base stat) 2) a CAL.LOGI that recharge faster with his ONLY WEAPON.
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:04:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote: I also tend to disagree with the whole 'Logistics Suit Bonus' idea that gives a generic 5 hps Armor rep to all Logis... should be shifted to suit each suit better.
CCP tell this right and clear:
Right now, we cant make different generic bonus.
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Jastad
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:37:00 -
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XV1 wrote:The Black Jackal wrote: I also tend to disagree with the whole 'Logistics Suit Bonus' idea that gives a generic 5 hps Armor rep to all Logis... should be shifted to suit each suit better.
I think that they should instead get a bonus to repair tool repair amount. The self heal is nice as it eliminates the need to fit an armor repair but overall I think making them better repair tool users would make more sense. Maybe 5% bonus to repair amount per level instead. This would allow nanohives, nanite injectors, and repair tools to get a boost. I guess it could affect their fitted armor repairers too but meh. Most important is making the Logi a support role, not an alternative assault or a better assault rather.
Men you know where logi is playing in this current game?
This is not where Logi stay in a vault, moving a EURO PALLET. We are in the middle of the battlefield while eating THE SAME **** that ASSBoys are facing BUT WITH MORE SLOW SPEED AND ALSO LOW BASE STAT And you want to change one thing that help me to stay alive and support you. we arent focus on assault and, guess what, we MUST focus on many thing, other than the Enemy: Drop uplink, repp, ress, Hive etc etc etc. |
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