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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:23:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:If Logis only had a Sidearm slot instead of a light weapon slot, then they'd be just as useful for Support and no where near as capable as Assaults.
Just swap the Logi Light weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Anyone who disagrees only wants to keep their 3/4 Equipment slot Assault suit.
Sidearms will allow the Logi to contribute to DPS without being a Slayer-logi. PLEASE Show us a vids when you go only with a side for al match, and let's see us HOW can you support. until then, STFU I don't own a capture card (and I'm sure as **** not buying one to appease you), but ALL I RUN IS SIDEARMS OR AV. So you can KMA too. Logi =/= Slayer, swap the Logi Light Weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Hook your DVD burner up to your RCA outs and then back to the TV, it works for me and btw I want Video evidence. You can also use a cam corder or video camera attached to your computer but I want the vid.
PS I know you can do this because you are on the forums and it is very rare for someone with a computer to not have a vid recording device, all laptops come with a built in and they are like $20 at walmart if not. |
cy6
Raging Pack of Homos
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:24:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT. Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm. I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit.
flaylock doesnt count as a sidearm imo. why? bc its not a last ditch effort gun |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:24:00 -
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Ok, i will try to feed the troll, let's see what happen....
I love to repat myself: STOP THINKING HI CREATIVE SOLUTION in response of EASY solving problem.
And for the sake of god: STOP LOOKING AT PUBSCRUB for think balance. PUB match DONT COUNT. I can kill people with only the flylock but that's not a viable solution when you start to do CORP BATTLE. jeez.... |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:25:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:If Logis only had a Sidearm slot instead of a light weapon slot, then they'd be just as useful for Support and no where near as capable as Assaults.
Just swap the Logi Light weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Anyone who disagrees only wants to keep their 3/4 Equipment slot Assault suit.
Sidearms will allow the Logi to contribute to DPS without being a Slayer-logi. PLEASE Show us a vids when you go only with a side for al match, and let's see us HOW can you support. until then, STFU I don't own a capture card (and I'm sure as **** not buying one to appease you), but ALL I RUN IS SIDEARMS OR AV. So you can KMA too. Logi =/= Slayer, swap the Logi Light Weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Hook your DVD burner up to your RCA outs and then back to the TV, it works for me and btw I want Video evidence. You can also use a cam corder or video camera attached to your computer but I want the vid.
As if I need to prove **** to you. CCP can read the logs and see how I do, that is all that is needed. Logi do not need a light weapon, they'll do just fine with a Sidearm. |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:26:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT. Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm. I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit.
I USE AN AMARR SUIT, FOR THE SAKE OF GOD!!!!!
Please, stop wasting our time, READ THE ******* 9 Page THREAD and than reply. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:28:00 -
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cy6 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT. Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm. I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit. flaylock doesnt count as a sidearm imo. why? bc its not a last ditch effort gun
TBH, Flaylock is the sidearm I am least skilled into.
Last bit of free intel any of you are getting.
I will continue to stand by my assertion that Sidearm-only Logi is THE way to solve the "Logis being used as an Assault" problem. |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:28:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:If Logis only had a Sidearm slot instead of a light weapon slot, then they'd be just as useful for Support and no where near as capable as Assaults.
Just swap the Logi Light weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Anyone who disagrees only wants to keep their 3/4 Equipment slot Assault suit.
Sidearms will allow the Logi to contribute to DPS without being a Slayer-logi. PLEASE Show us a vids when you go only with a side for al match, and let's see us HOW can you support. until then, STFU I don't own a capture card (and I'm sure as **** not buying one to appease you), but ALL I RUN IS SIDEARMS OR AV. So you can KMA too. Logi =/= Slayer, swap the Logi Light Weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Hook your DVD burner up to your RCA outs and then back to the TV, it works for me and btw I want Video evidence. You can also use a cam corder or video camera attached to your computer but I want the vid. As if I need to prove **** to you. CCP can read the logs and see how I do, that is all that is needed. Logi do not need a light weapon, they'll do just fine with a Sidearm.
I'll validate the idea if you post the footage, but seeing as how you are scared too I will record some tonight and show you why I think you are wrong. I won't use a side arm but a light weapon. And yes you do need to prove it.
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Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:30:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:cy6 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: CUT. Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm. I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit. flaylock doesnt count as a sidearm imo. why? bc its not a last ditch effort gun TBH, Flaylock is the sidearm I am least skilled into. Last bit of free intel any of you are getting. I will continue to stand by my assertion that Sidearm-only Logi is THE way to solve the "Logis being used as an Assault" problem.
Let's see how you do well when the flylock gets Nerfed, because the ARcodboys are crying for it |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
374
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:32:00 -
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@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:33:00 -
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The "problem" is not there. Any suit can be used to hurt or heal other than the Heavy. The object of the game is customization not one size fits all. Deal with it or go back to COD/Killzone/SpecOps/BF4 or wherever else you came from. |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
374
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:33:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:cy6 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:
Ok, let's make a CorpBattle vs Teamplayers,Sinergy or IMP and PLEASE, SHOW US HOW YOU SUPPORT WITH a sidearm.
I don't need to prove **** to you. You just want to keep your Caldari Logi Slayer suit. flaylock doesnt count as a sidearm imo. why? bc its not a last ditch effort gun TBH, Flaylock is the sidearm I am least skilled into.Last bit of free intel any of you are getting. I will continue to stand by my assertion that Sidearm-only Logi is THE way to solve the "Logis being used as an Assault" problem. Let's see how you do well when the flylock gets Nerfed, because the ARcodboys are crying for it
Reading Comprehension will do wonders for you.
The bolded portion would indicate that the Flaylock is the sidearm I use the least. |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:35:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
And I won't be belittled into some stupid "role" classification that you think I need to be in just because I am a logi. |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:38:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
No it's not being bullied.
IT's called READ BEFORE POST.
We all made a 9 page thread of answer.
if you BOTHER to read, you'll see the all the LOGI are for a rework of the Cal.LOGI, the only e real problem.
Because, and that are stat talking ( feel free to search COSGAR Thread or CROSS ATU reply in this thread) LOGI are inferior to their Ass counterpart.
and again, stop counting what you do in pubscrub match, thta dosent count in balance terms. Jeez they did with the Heavy and look what we have now.... |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
374
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:38:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
And I won't be belittled into some stupid "role" classification that you think I need to be in just because I am a logi.
So, you're saying that you want to keep your slayer-logi?
That is what I am hearing.
Logi NEED to be most useful in a support role, not good for support but ABSO-*******-LUTELY BEAST for Assault setups just in the name of "Customization".
BTW, Customization within Roles is what the game is about, otherwise CCP would just give us T3 Heavys and be done with everything. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
374
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:40:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
No it's not being bullied. IT's called READ BEFORE POST. We all made a 9 page thread of answer. if you BOTHER to read, you'll see the all the LOGI are for a rework of the Cal.LOGI, the only e real problem. Because, and that are stat talking ( feel free to search COSGAR Thread or CROSS ATU reply in this thread) LOGI are inferior to their Ass counterpart. and again, stop counting what you do in pubscrub match, thta dosent count in balance terms. Jeez they did with the Heavy and look what we have now....
I still stand by my assertion that Logis can make due with just a Sidearm Slot.
Also, so you know, I tried getting Heavys buffed (aside from their movement speed). |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:41:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: BTW, Customization within Roles is what the game is about, otherwise CCP would just give us T3 Heavys and be done with everything.
AND that's CCP think, when showing on the E3 trailer, a heavy with a sniper rifle....
NICE HIT Sherlock |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:44:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: I still stand by my assertion that Logis can make due with just a Sidearm Slot.
Also, so you know, I tried getting Heavys buffed (aside from their movement speed).
SURPRISE i Want heavy buffed and i want to be killed by a heavy when i met him in cqc, right now i can kill him/run away.
do you know where that come from? from making game balance based on pubscrub match.
You can stay with your idea an that's your think, but in PC/CORP battle that simple isn't viable. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:45:00 -
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cy6 wrote:Cross Atu wrote:cy6 wrote:1. Remove assault/basic frame equip slot and give to scout/light frame 2. Decrease 1H 1L per tier for logi suits. 3. Increase logi CPU/PG
done
Please post fits that show 1)Current Logi suit balance is improper within Med Frame line (note: suit balance not racial skill balance) 2)Post fits that use your suggested alterations showing how these changes are improvements along with descriptions of the intended role for each fit and why that fit best servers it. Use fittings standers as per my "logi challenge", if you haven't seen one of these posts please inform me and I shall provide a link. I look forward to seeing your proposed fittings. Cheers, Cross I would, but I'm busy playing. but as a preview 1. Scouts had 2 equipment slots prior to uprising and it was not unbalanced. 2 slots give scouts uplink + needle/explosive (keep in mind that scout cpu/pg is too low to fit super sniper + complex damage + nanohive + uplink) 2. Removing equip slots of assaults forces them to rely on logi's to supply ammo (or supply depo), thus preventing lone wolfing and encouraging assaults to run with a logi 3. Removing 1H+1L of each logi prevents them from taking the role of the assault's high EHP for frontline battle role and encourages a more supportive role (revive/repair/supply). However, the increase of CPU/PG will still allow them to stack complex/shield mods for survivability even on an advanced suit without hindering them from carrying equipment. Personally, i would remove the basic frame suits altogether as well as the racial bonuses (but keep the role specific bonuses).
I look forward to seeing the actual fittings once you get to it. Do you need me to repost the standards of the fittings challenge or do you know them/know where to find them?
Cheers, Cross |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:46:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
No it's not being bullied. IT's called READ BEFORE POST. We all made a 9 page thread of answer. if you BOTHER to read, you'll see the all the LOGI are for a rework of the Cal.LOGI, the only e real problem. Because, and that are stat talking ( feel free to search COSGAR Thread or CROSS ATU reply in this thread) LOGI are inferior to their Ass counterpart. and again, stop counting what you do in pubscrub match, thta dosent count in balance terms. Jeez they did with the Heavy and look what we have now.... I still stand by my assertion that Logis can make due with just a Sidearm Slot. Also, so you know, I tried getting Heavys buffed (aside from their movement speed).
I'd be interested in your participation in the Logi fittings challenge in support of this stance. Do you have the standards or would you like a link?
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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:50:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
And I won't be belittled into some stupid "role" classification that you think I need to be in just because I am a logi. So, you're saying that you want to keep your slayer-logi? That is what I am hearing. Logi NEED to be most useful in a support role, not good for support but ABSO-*******-LUTELY BEAST for Assault setups just in the name of "Customization". BTW, Customization within Roles is what the game is about, otherwise CCP would just give us T3 Heavys and be done with everything. You mis-read the description of the game plain and simple as well as having missed the trailer with the Heavy using a sniper rifle and plainly wouldn't understand why someone would fit a couple of tractor beams to a destroyer in Eve and float some salvage drones besides. I run support logi with an AR. I do on average 4-20-2 K-A-D. That is a support score not a slayer score Kitten. |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
374
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:52:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
No it's not being bullied. IT's called READ BEFORE POST. We all made a 9 page thread of answer. if you BOTHER to read, you'll see the all the LOGI are for a rework of the Cal.LOGI, the only e real problem. Because, and that are stat talking ( feel free to search COSGAR Thread or CROSS ATU reply in this thread) LOGI are inferior to their Ass counterpart. and again, stop counting what you do in pubscrub match, thta dosent count in balance terms. Jeez they did with the Heavy and look what we have now.... I still stand by my assertion that Logis can make due with just a Sidearm Slot. Also, so you know, I tried getting Heavys buffed (aside from their movement speed). I'd be interested in your participation in the Logi fittings challenge in support of this stance. Do you have the standards or would you like a link?
I'd like a link to see if our standards match, feel free to contact me in game as well. If we share opinions on this matter, we might be able to progress made on the matter. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
374
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:54:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@Draco Cerberus
No, actually, I need to prove nothing to you. I will not be bullied into thinking otherwise.
And I won't be belittled into some stupid "role" classification that you think I need to be in just because I am a logi. So, you're saying that you want to keep your slayer-logi? That is what I am hearing. Logi NEED to be most useful in a support role, not good for support but ABSO-*******-LUTELY BEAST for Assault setups just in the name of "Customization". BTW, Customization within Roles is what the game is about, otherwise CCP would just give us T3 Heavys and be done with everything. You mis-read the description of the game plain and simple as well as having missed the trailer with the Heavy using a sniper rifle and plainly wouldn't understand why someone would fit a couple of tractor beams to a destroyer in Eve and float some salvage drones besides.
Tractors on a Dessie only happen cause the people are too cheap to buy a noctis (well, that or the place they are salvaging is too hot for a noctis).
No, I didn't miss that trailer and if you'll note, it was the new **cough**Scrub**cough** "Commando" role suit which is built off of a heavy frame.
Scrubs gonna love their new scrub suit when they get it. |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:57:00 -
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Then leave my light weapon alone. Leave the Cal Logi alone too, we each perform our roles in different ways, that is the beauty of the game. It is not based on restricting the weapons used but rather on enabling the user to choose the best way for them to be a valuable member of their team. |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:58:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: Scrubs gonna love their new scrub suit when they get it. SURPRAISE again if you watch the trailer you'll see that the Heavy was using a SMG, a fitting that you can do right now.
*COUG* Look or read before talk *COUGH* |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:59:00 -
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@Alaika
Oh BTW, i'm still waiting you tell me how my Amarr Logi is OP or superior to Amarr Ass. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
375
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:01:00 -
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Jastad wrote:@Alaika
Oh BTW, i'm still waiting you tell me how my Amarr Logi is OP or superior to Amarr Ass.
I wouldn't dirty myself in one of those suits.
I trust in rust. |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:04:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:@Alaika
Oh BTW, i'm still waiting you tell me how my Amarr Logi is OP or superior to Amarr Ass. I wouldn't dirty myself in one of those suits. I trust in rust.
AH a GDR Reply!!!! now i like it.
I answer with the only answer a true Amarr can state:
Hey Min, do you know what have in common a Limbus tyre and a Minmatar? For both exist CHAIN !!!
Glory to the Empress |
Jastad
Eliters D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:13:00 -
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GDR Jokes aside, I'm going to bed. reading all the answer tomorrow (it's VERY VERY late in my timezone) |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
376
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:13:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Jastad wrote:@Alaika
Oh BTW, i'm still waiting you tell me how my Amarr Logi is OP or superior to Amarr Ass. I wouldn't dirty myself in one of those suits. I trust in rust. AH a GDR Reply!!!! now i like it. I answer with the only answer a true Amarr can state: Hey Min, do you know what have in common a Limbus tyre and a Minmatar? For both exist CHAIN !!! Glory to the Empress
You think I'm RPing here? No, I just stick with the race I picked. Once I have explored it completely, then I'll go after the others
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1179
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:14:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:I'd like a link to see if our standards match, feel free to contact me in game as well. If we share opinions on this matter, we might be able to progress made on the matter. I'm going to just quote it here to save you digging through my wall-o-text in the other post
Cross Atu wrote:Build me a combat viable Logi fit that follows these rules
- Build best fit with it's racial Assault counterpart to establish a baseline
- Build the Logi fit to meet or exceed all stats of the Assault suit, without omitting or cheery picking from the stat block
- Build the above fits without use of the AR
- Build the above fits without use of the Cal Logi suit OR without including any skill buffs in listed stats.
- After normalizing stats (i.e. fitting to at least match as per #2) make best efforts to fill open slots.
- Tally SP required to unlock/fit all mods used for the fitting
- Tally ISK cost of the fitting including all mods and suits
- List the results
I'd totally be down to link up in game and compare notes/run some matches to see what we can nail down. I am a big fan of testing things and while I'm fairly open (maybe even loud?) about my opinions I don't want that misconstrued as being closed to changing them. I actually like having my assessments challenged with information
Also feel free to toss me an in game mail with your most frequent times and/or a chat to meet in. I'll do the same and we'll see what we can hash out.
Cheers, Cross
ps ~ advanced warning, I have kids so my play times are sporadic. |
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