First lets look at their stats:
----------------Caldari Assauault: Caldari Logi:
PG:-----------60-----------------------70
CPU:---------300---------------------390
Shield:-------210---------------------180
Armor:-------120----------------------90
SR:-----------25/s---------------------20/s
SRD:---------5s-----------------------4s
SDRD:-------8s-----------------------6s
MS:-----------5-------------------------4.7
SS:-----------7--------------------------6.6
SD:----------15s-----------------------11.5
Stamina:---150-----------------------111.5
S recovery:15/s----------------------12/s
EHP:---------412.5--------------------337.5(75 HP difference)

So what is logistics suit? From it's stats, it's a medium suit that's traded in some of it's base speed, health, and stamina for a higher slot count, while also switching it's side arm for equipment so that it can support it's team instead of slaying(Amarr logi excluded).

So is losing the side arm worth the extra equipment? First, let me ask you something. What side arm do most laser users use? A SMG? Bingo. Why? Because their laser is weak in CQC and does less damage to armor, while the SMG is the opposite of that. So what does a siderm do? It allows the player to overcome the inherent weakness of their main weapon, and gives them an emergency weapon incase they run out of ammo. Logis on the other hand exchange that combat adaptability in order to support their teamates. A side arm deal damage to the enemies, a repair tool heals your teammates. a side arm can kill your enemies, a nanite injector can revive your teammates. A siderm gives you back ammo, a nano-hive gives your team more ammo.


All in all I'd say the two are pretty well balanced.

Now then, shield extenders... A logi can fit 5 while an assault can fit 4, that's 330 and 264 respectively.
Caldari Assault: 412.5 + 264 = 667.5 EHP
Caldari Logistics: 337.5 + 330 = 667.5 EHP

Nothing wrong so far, in fact the logi suit is losing since it's slower.

Except... that Caldari logi bonus... 5% + to shield extenders per level, with 5 extenders that leads to 412.5 HP from extenders alone, that's the assault suits entire base EHP.

So 412.5 + 337.5 = 750 EHP
750(L) - 667.5(A) = 82.5 HP difference.

That's a bit too much in my opinion.

My possible solutions:

1. Bring down the Caladri bonus from 5% per lvl to 2-3% instead.
That would result in a 33- 49.5 HP difference, in favor of the logi, which in my opinion is acceptable considering it's also slower.

2: Change the assault class bonus to something useful, my suggestion? 2% weapon damage per level, so that at level 5 it's the equivalent of a permanent complex damage module, this I think would give combat oriented people more of a reason to spec into assault suit instead of logistcs.

Edit: touch their light weapons and I will cut you!

\ I still don't think a logi needs to be tanking as much as an assault player though, but that's up for debate.

I've been saying the bonus needs to be 2% per level. That will go a long way, and probably fix the suit. People calling for across the board nerfs to all logis dont understand balance.

Yes, it is up for debate, they can't help you if they're dead.
They aren't redline medics, they're combat medics, they have to be in the firefight themselves if they're actually going to help you.

That's cause most people don't care about anything that isn't an assault suit with an AR.

Well that's my point exactly. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps. So assaults should have a bit more armor/shields. I'm not saying give them no mod slots, but they should be a little under the assaults.

I would gladly trade 60-80 hp of the shields on the damned thing for a third low power slot so I can put some freakin armor on...

Just sayin...

No one with an actual reason as for why the entire logi class needs to get nerfed and not just the Caldari suit?

Well that's my point exactly. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps. So assaults should have a bit more armor/shields. I'm not saying give them no mod slots, but they should be a little under the assaults.

I've been saying the bonus needs to be 2% per level. That will go a long way, and probably fix the suit. People calling for across the board nerfs to all logis dont understand balance.

Changing the assault bonus to damage would be a good start, especially for Gallente players where shield recharge rate for their 120 shields means jack squat. I still don't think a logi needs to be tanking as much as an assault player though, but that's up for debate.

So is losing the side arm worth the extra equipment? First, let me ask you something. What side arm do most laser users use? A SMG? Bingo. Why? Because their laser is weak in CQC and does less damage to armor, while the SMG is the opposite of that. So what does a siderm do? It allows the player to overcome the inherent weakness of their main weapon, and gives them an emergency weapon incase they run out of ammo. Logis on the other hand exchange that combat adaptability in order to support their teamates. A side arm deals damage to the enemies, a repair tool heals your teammates. A side arm can kill your enemies, a nanite injector can revive your teammates. A siderm gives you more ammo, a nano-hive gives your whole team more ammo.

Your logic breaks when the Logi uses an AR. AR's are all around weapon with no apperant weakness but also no real strength. Using them makes side arms a luxury and definately not a need. Therefore what man assault players have done (most assaults should use and assault weapon (AR, Scrambler Rifle, Whatever the caladari and minmitar varients will be) is use the large amount of PG and CPU to available to the logi make a superior suit for killing than what you can do with the assault suit due to PG/CPU constraints.

this.

Listen....the caldari logi suit is just ridiculous. In this build, it seems as if CCP wants to everyone to specialize and not one suit being able to do it all or even more than one role. And I fully understand that. But the caldari logi is the only one that can do it all. What do they need with 5 high and 4 low power slots? Why is their shield delay faster than an assault suit?

Many assault guys are using common sense and going with the logi suit because they get all of those mods and multiple equipment slots. I hear people saying that a scout suit shouldnt get an extra equipment slot because they are taking logi's roles from them. Well, logi suits are taking assault roles. The only thing a logi needs to have in order to fill their role is multiple equipment slots. Having 600+ shields, etc is not necessary and it needs to be changed to exhibit a more clear difference in suits.

. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps.

Didn't even read the thread, did you? -_-"

Oh god...


You clearly see the problem.

You then ignored the problem and threw us all under the bus.

I'm thinking that you would be glad that I just bumped your thread.

And although I wrote "logi suits", I am referring to the caldari logi. Because the caldari logi suit is the problem. But my opinion on logi suits needing multiple equipment slots to fulfill their role still stands. I'd like an extra equipment slot as an assault guy but I understand why I don't have one anymore.

I actually am lol


I don't particularly see why assaults or scouts shouldn't get 1 more equipment slot, especially now that nono-hives got nerfed.

^The nanohive are only nerfed at the basic and militia level. Advanced level and above give more than double the clusters of the standard.

CCP did this to force people to skill up more in the nanohives. It was far too easy in the previous build to just use guaged nanohives (only lvl 2) and never bother leveling up anymore.

Their reasoning is because they want everyone to specialize and no roles to overlap suits. I dig it

The Caldari Logistics suit is the ONLY logi suit that needs a rework and the reasons for that are as follows. Its OP, its an assault suit without a Side arm. It can have 600+ shields, and 500+ armor depending on which way you want to go. It has a fast recharge rate, and 5 hp/s for armor based off the racial skill. It has 5 high slots, 4 low slots, and 3 equipment slots, along with a higher base CPU and PG level making the related skills effect them even more. The speed/sidarm penalty is nothing compared to the bonuses it gets on the utility side. I don't know how it would be balanced, but when the logi is better at combat then the assault, then somethings wrong. Flux grenades arnt an excuse for this, you cant expect everyone to run something like that simply because of one OP suit.

The logi has 5 highs and 4 Lows where the assault has 4 highs and 3 lows.

I said "effectively" has two less because the 5 hp/s the logi suit gets as a bonus negates having to run an armor repper let alone a complex armor repper that cost the suit 45 CPU and 11PG.

This isn't even ging into the racial bonus the suit gets.

So again with a straight face tell me how this isn't OP?

So can we all agree that the Caldari logi's bonus needs to change, and that all assault suits should get a damage bonus?

no

caldaris logics are fine as is

And now all my math has been rendered usless, since complex extenders actually give 72.6 HP thanks to their skill -_-, ughh, time for more maths...

This thread is now under construction... again.

That would be 89.1HP per extender.
LOL, Armor tanking giving more HP my ass.

Nah, it's 72.6 with the skill at 5, 90.75 with caldari logi skill...

that's 363 for 4, and 453.75 if they can find a way to fit 5

Give all Logi suites a -5% damage penalty, we should be focused on support anyway.

Also do not allow any Logi suites to equip damage increasing mods on high slots. That alone may stop anyone from trying to turn the suite into an assault varient.

Nah man, all bonuses are calculated together.
10% from the skill, + 25% from the bonus = 35%.
66 * 1.35 = 89.1.

You sure? Pretty sure they're multiplicative

Yup, I'm sure.
Some bonuses however, like the shield regulator ones are multiplicative.

H'mm I just assumed since damage mods were multiplicative, alright, I'll use 89.1 for all the maths.
Thank you for that.

Damage mods are also calculated together.
They however have a stacking penalty for every extra module.
I don't remember how much per module, but after the 4th you get like 1-2% extra damage.

Pretty sure they were multiplicative last build, which is why the penalty was needed in the first place.

1.10 x 1.10 would equal 1.21
It wasn't 1 + 0.10 + 0.10 = 1.20

o.O

I don't think the bonus is that op. besides, you can't even fit 5 CSE and have a decent fit. You gimp the rest of your suit load out just for straight hp stacking. That's 55 pg before you even put on a weapon, let alone armor plates.

Proto suits, with all level 5 skills should be a terror. You assume the best possible scenario.

I don't even run cal logi since I felt the bonus was wasted. You HAVE to fit a SE to even get the bonus.

I def think their slot layout is op. that could use a tweak, but their bonus is fine..

No suit needs an inherent dmg bonus. Rate of fire, cool down, reload etc are all going to give you more dps. But percent damage is a bad way to balance. Aka tac ar issues now.

S recovery:15/s----------------------12/s
EHP:---------412.5--------------------337.5(75 HP difference) (This was with passives included)

So what is a logistics suit? From it's stats, it's a medium suit that's traded in some of it's base speed, health, and stamina for a higher slot count, while also switching it's side arm for equipment so that it can support it's team instead of slaying(Amarr logi excluded).

So is losing the side arm worth the extra equipment? First, let me ask you something. What side arm do most laser users use? A SMG? Bingo. Why? Because their laser is weak in CQC and does less damage to armor, while the SMG is the opposite of that. So what does a siderm do? It allows the player to overcome the inherent weakness of their main weapon, and gives them an emergency weapon incase they run out of ammo. Logis on the other hand exchange that combat adaptability in order to support their teamates. A side arm deals damage to the enemies, a repair tool heals your teammates. A side arm can kill your enemies, a nanite injector can revive your teammates. A siderm gives you more ammo, a nano-hive gives your whole team more ammo.

All in all I'd say the two are pretty well balanced.

Now then, shield extenders... A logi can fit 5 while an assault can fit 4, that's 363 and 290.4 respectively, this is including the new +10% shield bonus from the skill.
Caldari Assault: 412.5 + 290.4 =702.9 EHP
Caldari Logistics:373.5 + 363 = 700.5 EHP

Nothing wrong so far, in fact the logi suit is losing a little since it's slower.

Except... that Caldari logi bonus... 5% + to shield extenders per level, with 5 extenders that leads to 445.5 HP from extenders alone. That's more than assault suits entire base EHP. (1 extender is worth 89.1, X that by 5) (10% shield bonus + 25% Caldari logi bonus = 35% according to Cat Merc)

So 373.5 + 445.5 = 819 EHP
819(L) - 702.9(A) = 116.1 HP difference.

This went four pages without your math getting fixed? Not sure which country's education system is responsible. Your math makes the Caldari logi look stronger.

"So 373.5 + 445.5 = 819 EHP"

Where does that number come from? It's meant to be logistics base hp with passives, right? You carried the number wrong. You have the right one at the top too:

"-337.5"

You buffed their EHP by 37hp or so with a math error.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76141&find=unread

This guys a reject who continually makes incorrect assertions.

Also, you said the logi had three lows in another post - that's incorrect. Proto Cal Logistics if 5H 4L 3E (sum of 12), this matches Minmatar 4H 4L 4E (12) and Gallente 3H 5L 4E (12).

Well that's my point exactly. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps. So assaults should have a bit more armor/shields. I'm not saying give them no mod slots, but they should be a little under the assaults.

Whoever the hell bumped this, thank you. Bookmarking for reading and digestion.

Oddly this doesn't get a post more and the other thread grows by another 4 pages...

H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11PG
H: Shield extender 54 CPU / 11 PG

Total = 270 CPU/ 55 PG

L: Complex Shield Regulator 35 CPU/ 3 PG
L: Complex Kinetic mod 27 CPU/ 15 PG
L:Basic Armor Repairer 20 CPU / 1 PG
L: Basic CPU Upgrade = 16% more CPU

Total = 83 CPU / 19 CPU

LW: Balac: 90 CPU 13 PG
G: Core Locus grenade 48 CPU / 6 PG
Or Allotek Flux 52 CPU / 6 PG

Total: 138 or 142 CPU / 19 PG

E: Ishkone Gauged Nano Hive: 59 CPU / 11PG
E: Blank
E: Blank

Total: 59 CPU /11 PG

CPU Available: 507 / PG available: 101.4

Total CPU Used: 550 or 554 CPU / PG used: 104

But that doesn't fit right? Except 507 x 1.16 = 588.12

Still not enough PG right? Assault Rifle Fitting skill(whatever it's called 13 x .25 = 3.25
104 - 3.25 = 100.75

So all this just barely fit, but is it really that much better than what can be done with a Caldari Assault Suit?

Edit:
Without CL bonus:
Caldari Assault: 412.5 + 290.4 =702.9 EHP
Caldari Logistics:337.5 + 363 = 700.5 EHP

With CL Bonus: 337.5 + 445.5 = 783 EHP
783(L) - 702.9(A) = 80.1 HP difference.

My god, this is game breaking

Edit: Now if you used a complex CPU Upgrade, and replaced the Basic Armor repairer with a PG Upgrade, then you would be able to fill your other equipment slots, but I want all assault users to realize that this is far more expensive than your suit would ever get.

Like I've said before, QQers run when hit with numbers and facts.

I hope that if CCP ever makes any changes to all logis, that they will keep this thread in mind and not make any changes that are too drastic, the differences between the logi and assault suits aren't that big, let alone big enough to justify huge over the top nerfs like CCP tends to do.

Sadly this thread is mostly filled with self bumps, so I doubt it would be that useful
Aside from getting some QQers to pipe down

I would like to drop this off here though so that people can see some of it's fitting possibilities.



Possible changes: If you were to get rid of even one low slot then this fit could still be used as a pseudo assault suit, but it would lose access to two equipment slots. If you change it's bonus then it no longer has 80.1 more HP. Just like Pheonix said in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75779&find=unread

You could even switch the low slot with an equipment slot, it wouldn't be able to take advantage of it without making some sacrifices.

Thanks for the thread and all the participants in the discussion, QQers excluded. As stated many times before, my personal opinion is that the OP part of the CaLogi suit is the racial bonus. I do like the idea of giving a boost to Assault suits to get people to move back that way instead of using a Logi for an assault role, and giving a de-buff (to 2%/lvl) to the CaLogi suit.

Ive been reading a lot of the threads on OP Logi suits and must say this thread has had the most well informed posters and have stuck to the point. To that end I would like to add that I have been a Logi from the closed beta, and other forums suggesting all Logis need a nerf or only allowing us to have a side arm are bogus. Just because the CaLogi is current bully beating people down on the battle field doesnt mean all Logis should be hit with the same nerf bat.

Thanks again for this thread I will be keeping tabs on it! Hopefully CCP takes note and leaves those of us supporting the team and not pretending to be an assault alone when they bring out the nerf bat.

As a Logi here is my suggestion.

Give all Logi suites a -5% damage penalty, we should be focused on support anyway.


Also do not allow any Logi suites to equip damage increasing mods on high slots. That alone may stop anyone from trying to turn the suite into an assault varient.

Logi's that picked the role to run support would be ok with it.

Possible changes: If you were to get rid of even one low slot then this fit could still be used as a pseudo assault suit, but it would lose access to two equipment slots.

Just something I'd like to get straight: if I understand correctly, the point you are making is that logis don't need any changes what so ever, except for the caldari racial bonus. Yet at the end of your first post, you suggest to remove at least one low slot from the caldari logi to bring it in line with the assault. So what do you actually want, touch the logi or not?

However, what I can see for myself is that the Caldari logi could fill all its slots and sacrifice very little except for price, I'm not sure if that is or is not a problem, it's just a suggestion in case it is.

Before you could reduce a light weapons CPU fitting cost by 40%, now you can only reduce it by 15% and the PG requirements by 25%. Since all other suits had less CPU and PG to begin with, it hits them harder than it hit logis.

The numbers in this thread are wrong for the shields on the Caldari logi suit w/max shields EX are 679

nerf them all to have less H-Power and L-Power slots than any assault suit

Are the skills additive or multiplicative? It's a simple question bro.

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679 !!!!! you tell me if its add or mult 679 max skills and mods is all you get !!!!!! 679, 679, 679..
OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!! YOU GUYS SEEM PRETTY SMART. 679 IS ALL YOU GET !!



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Ya wish dev could confirm which it is, have seen people use both and not sure what is correct.

OK I figured I would give my 2 isk since everyone else is.


**The logis traded their sidearm for more equipment slots not more equipment slots AND high/low slots**

Remove a low slot from the Min Logi
Remove a high slot from the Gal Logi
Remove a high OR a low slot from the Cal Logi

some minor tweaking to the racial suit bonuses and I would be happy and would think that all is right in the world of logis, scouts, and assaults....................vehicles and heavies on the other hand.............

nerfs to logi mean literally nothing if assault specialization suits don't get buffed.

The same goes for the CPU and PG skills, that would change a lot.
I currently don't have the SP to test them.

I don't have everything in front of me but with Level 5 in both Dropsuit Core Upgrades & Dropsuit Engineering my Amarr Logi suit has 87 PG up from the base suit value of 66 (no alteration from Mods, just skills).

66 x 1.3125 = 86.625

Yup, it seems they get rounded up as well

simplest solution i see would be a 25-50% increase to fitting cost of weapons on a logi suit. this would make it much harder to fit. it would not be totaly gimped in a combat role, as a proto SMG or other secondary (maybe a shotty? not sure on the PG?CPU of those top of my head) but would prevent them from using the proto/advanced light weapons with out the sacrifice of EHP.


in addition to that i would not see a simliar fitting bonus to support items, say 15-30% off the top (additive to skills) to things like nanohives/needles/uplinks/reppers etc. This would let the logi keep the epic tank, not be totally defenseless, and carry the needed gear to play its intended role the best. Biggest issue i see is the effect it would have on Amarr logi as they can fit 2 weapons.

Those two changes, copmbined with the 2% per level bonus to Assault suits i think would fix most of the issues with out the EPIC NERF HAMMER OF DOOM onto anyone role/class.


Credit of this idea goes to a corp mate, i just fleshed it out a little and posted it.

Let us also not forget that the hit boxes on the Logi Suits are bigger than the hit boxes

Edit* You also forgot to point out the current racial bonus for the Caldari Assault suit; The shields regenerate fatser, which makes it more suitable for frontline combat than the slower Logi.

Personally, I believe the Caldari Logi suit is perfectly fine.

Is that even true, was that ever true? They have the same models, why would they have bigger hit boxes?


Logis have a better delay... so yeah...

Interesting...

Is that even true, was that ever true? They have the same models, why would they have bigger hit boxes?


Logis have a better delay... so yeah...

Interesting...

A'hhh, but the depleted delay is 2 seconds, so we get a 40HP head start as well as our armor healing in the meantime.

Perhaps swapping the delays would be an easy balance fix then? You could do that without touching anything else.

Instead of nerfing one thing, why not buff others? This is why the game has gone to ****, too many people crying for nerfs dulling it down.

Considering this game will have PvE content as well, I think people should be aware of what will happen if they make everything suck by that point.

Yep, I always like to ask rather than state when I can just in case someone sees something I haven't but that's pretty much the point if you plug in mods to bring the stats of the Logi in line with the base stats of the Assault and then compare what's left the differences (such as they are) seem negligible. I'd still be interested to see someone post fits they think break this assessment but without using the AR I haven't encountered an example yet. If that remains the case then it's pretty much a given that it's not the dropsuit in question that's the issue. (Two notes; 1. The Cal Logi could likely use a light down scale of it's racial bonus and the Amarr a light to very light buff of it's stats to bring the 4 racial logi types in line with each other. 2. The balance issue identified by objections to "slayer logi' is not a result of one factor and as such needs a nuanced resolution not swinging the nerf hammer. If some Mercs are dead set on QQing until the nerf hammer comes out then all I have to say is the AR is part of the current problem and they should keep that in mind when QQing for nerfs.)

all these asaults trying to nerf logistics class are only looking at module allocation you never once see an assault bring up any other stat beyond modules

If some Mercs are dead set on QQing until the nerf hammer comes out then all I have to say is the AR is part of the current problem and they should keep that in mind when QQing for nerfs.)

While I agree with you, that bonus is still too good.

Oh, and Logi
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In a few hours, we're going to have a massive influx a new players that haven't learned the lessons we've never learned until now. They'll QQ in caps lock about the heavy they couldn't kill with their MLT AR inside the heavy's optimal range, they'll QQ about tanks, and snipers, and scramblers, and just about anything else because this game doesn't spoon feed them gratification with a cone shaped rifle spread and the hitbox the size of a barn. It's going to be our job as the veterans to put these newberries in their place and teach them the ins and outs of Dust 514, because quite frankly, CCP is busier making sure a female scout's gams look good under dynamic lighting than making a proper tutorial.

The logi has still more to work with, while trading lower shield regeneration for its armor repair and giving up the side arm and 6% strafe speed (I still call it a tad, because not everyone's play style evolves around crazy strafe patterns).

Funny that after the Scrambler Rifle came out the thread died as an option came out that was very effective against these Caldari Logissaults.

words

You see, that is exactly why I think the logi suit in general (disregarding the caldari bonus) is a bit too good when fitted straight for combat.

Let me lay down some more numbers to compare the caldari assault and logi in terms of fitting. Let's assume max skills for this, and we start of at:

Assault: 390 CPU/78 PG, Logi: 507 CPU/101 PG

We already know: fitting 4 shield externders on the assault and 5 externders on the logi leaves both with almost equal EHP:
Assault: 703 (553 shield/150 armor), Logi: 700 (588 shield/112 armor)
Substracting fitting costs for the externders (cost 54/11 each), we are down to:

Assault: 174 CPU/34 PG, Logi: 237 CPU/46 PG

Assume both are also fitting a duvolle AR (should cost 77/10 at max skills) their remaining fitting capacities are:

Assault: 97 CPU/24 PG and 3 lows, Logi: 160 CPU/36 PG and 4 lows.

And if you take into account that the logi has 5 HP/s built in reps, for which the assault needs to fit an extra complex armor repper (costs 45/11), both are standing at:

Assault: 52 CPU/13 PG and 2 lows, Logi: 160 CPU/36 PG and 4 lows.

That's the problem right there, because if you ask me, giving up the side arm and a tad mobility makes up for that large fitting bonus any time. And these numbers apply similar to the gallente suits, which have the same numbers with an inverted high/low slot layout, and to the minmatar (where the CPU/PG difference is a little bit smaller). Actually they don't, because both have one low slot less in exchange for the 4th equipment slot.

And if you take into account that the logi has 5 HP/s built in reps, for which the assault needs to fit an extra complex armor repper (costs 45/11), both are standing at:

Assault: 52 CPU/13 PG and 2 lows, Logi: 160 CPU/36 PG and 4 lows.
If you do that then you have to take into acount the +25% shield regeneration bonus for assault(cost 60cpu)

If caldari logi is nerfed then the rest of the logistics suits must be nerfed because the WHOLE assault class is a subpar if not used correctly...

The assault bonus of shield regen is pretty good if used along with a prototype complex shield regen, complex shield extenders and complex shield regulators. The movement speed just reinforces the idea that the Assault class should be used to enter and exit the fights constantly and not an actual iTank frontliner... the capability to regen their shield fast is what makes it good but people want to tank like heavies with them and let us not forget the overpowered flaylock that tears enemies in a blink.


If anything the assault class needs an increase in cpu and pg since one of the issues is not being able to fit all the good stuff that would make it a great dropsuit without using a lower tier weapon