First lets look at their stats:
----------------Caldari Assauault: Caldari Logi:
PG:-----------60-----------------------70
CPU:---------300---------------------390
Shield:-------210---------------------180
Armor:-------120----------------------90
SR:-----------25/s---------------------20/s
SRD:---------5s-----------------------4s
SDRD:-------8s-----------------------6s
MS:-----------5-------------------------4.7
SS:-----------7--------------------------6.6
SD:----------15s-----------------------11.5
Stamina:---150-----------------------111.5
S recovery:15/s----------------------12/s
EHP:---------412.5--------------------337.5(75 HP difference)

So what is logistics suit? From it's stats, it's a medium suit that's traded in some of it's base speed, health, and stamina for a higher slot count, while also switching it's side arm for equipment so that it can support it's team instead of slaying(Amarr logi excluded).

So is losing the side arm worth the extra equipment? First, let me ask you something. What side arm do most laser users use? A SMG? Bingo. Why? Because their laser is weak in CQC and does less damage to armor, while the SMG is the opposite of that. So what does a siderm do? It allows the player to overcome the inherent weakness of their main weapon, and gives them an emergency weapon incase they run out of ammo. Logis on the other hand exchange that combat adaptability in order to support their teamates. A side arm deal damage to the enemies, a repair tool heals your teammates. a side arm can kill your enemies, a nanite injector can revive your teammates. A siderm gives you back ammo, a nano-hive gives your team more ammo.


All in all I'd say the two are pretty well balanced.

Now then, shield extenders... A logi can fit 5 while an assault can fit 4, that's 330 and 264 respectively.
Caldari Assault: 412.5 + 264 = 667.5 EHP
Caldari Logistics: 337.5 + 330 = 667.5 EHP

Nothing wrong so far, in fact the logi suit is losing since it's slower.

Except... that Caldari logi bonus... 5% + to shield extenders per level, with 5 extenders that leads to 412.5 HP from extenders alone, that's the assault suits entire base EHP.

So 412.5 + 337.5 = 750 EHP
750(L) - 667.5(A) = 82.5 HP difference.

That's a bit too much in my opinion.

My possible solutions:

1. Bring down the Caladri bonus from 5% per lvl to 2-3% instead.
That would result in a 33- 49.5 HP difference, in favor of the logi, which in my opinion is acceptable considering it's also slower.

2: Change the assault class bonus to something useful, my suggestion? 2% weapon damage per level, so that at level 5 it's the equivalent of a permanent complex damage module, this I think would give combat oriented people more of a reason to spec into assault suit instead of logistcs.

Edit: touch their light weapons and I will cut you!

\ I still don't think a logi needs to be tanking as much as an assault player though, but that's up for debate.

I've been saying the bonus needs to be 2% per level. That will go a long way, and probably fix the suit. People calling for across the board nerfs to all logis dont understand balance.

Yes, it is up for debate, they can't help you if they're dead.
They aren't redline medics, they're combat medics, they have to be in the firefight themselves if they're actually going to help you.

That's cause most people don't care about anything that isn't an assault suit with an AR.

Well that's my point exactly. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps. So assaults should have a bit more armor/shields. I'm not saying give them no mod slots, but they should be a little under the assaults.

I would gladly trade 60-80 hp of the shields on the damned thing for a third low power slot so I can put some freakin armor on...

Just sayin...

No one with an actual reason as for why the entire logi class needs to get nerfed and not just the Caldari suit?

Well that's my point exactly. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps. So assaults should have a bit more armor/shields. I'm not saying give them no mod slots, but they should be a little under the assaults.

I've been saying the bonus needs to be 2% per level. That will go a long way, and probably fix the suit. People calling for across the board nerfs to all logis dont understand balance.

Changing the assault bonus to damage would be a good start, especially for Gallente players where shield recharge rate for their 120 shields means jack squat. I still don't think a logi needs to be tanking as much as an assault player though, but that's up for debate.

So is losing the side arm worth the extra equipment? First, let me ask you something. What side arm do most laser users use? A SMG? Bingo. Why? Because their laser is weak in CQC and does less damage to armor, while the SMG is the opposite of that. So what does a siderm do? It allows the player to overcome the inherent weakness of their main weapon, and gives them an emergency weapon incase they run out of ammo. Logis on the other hand exchange that combat adaptability in order to support their teamates. A side arm deals damage to the enemies, a repair tool heals your teammates. A side arm can kill your enemies, a nanite injector can revive your teammates. A siderm gives you more ammo, a nano-hive gives your whole team more ammo.

Your logic breaks when the Logi uses an AR. AR's are all around weapon with no apperant weakness but also no real strength. Using them makes side arms a luxury and definately not a need. Therefore what man assault players have done (most assaults should use and assault weapon (AR, Scrambler Rifle, Whatever the caladari and minmitar varients will be) is use the large amount of PG and CPU to available to the logi make a superior suit for killing than what you can do with the assault suit due to PG/CPU constraints.

this.

Listen....the caldari logi suit is just ridiculous. In this build, it seems as if CCP wants to everyone to specialize and not one suit being able to do it all or even more than one role. And I fully understand that. But the caldari logi is the only one that can do it all. What do they need with 5 high and 4 low power slots? Why is their shield delay faster than an assault suit?

Many assault guys are using common sense and going with the logi suit because they get all of those mods and multiple equipment slots. I hear people saying that a scout suit shouldnt get an extra equipment slot because they are taking logi's roles from them. Well, logi suits are taking assault roles. The only thing a logi needs to have in order to fill their role is multiple equipment slots. Having 600+ shields, etc is not necessary and it needs to be changed to exhibit a more clear difference in suits.

. They're in the combat supporting the assaults but they aren't engaging in head-to-head combat with others that they would need as much as assaults. I imagine most players in a firefight will shoot the guy shooting them, not the one providing ammo and a bit of reps.

Didn't even read the thread, did you? -_-"

Oh god...


You clearly see the problem.

You then ignored the problem and threw us all under the bus.

I'm thinking that you would be glad that I just bumped your thread.

And although I wrote "logi suits", I am referring to the caldari logi. Because the caldari logi suit is the problem. But my opinion on logi suits needing multiple equipment slots to fulfill their role still stands. I'd like an extra equipment slot as an assault guy but I understand why I don't have one anymore.