I don't want "non combat" areas. PvP should be the only focus, or preparing for it. If character customization is ever implemented, players should earn the right to use it through PvP. They shouldn't even get a nice room to start.

If you recall anything PVE related in Eve, random players can scan you down in the star system and interrupt your PVE duh. There are corporations in Eve dedicated to doing just that... usually for the sake of baiting players in the middle of their PVE mission. Would be fun if I see that in DUST.

In fairness the only people that fall for this are
A: Rookies
B: Extremly bored mission runners

They do not fight for challenge they do not fight for respect they do not fight for isk they simply fight for the kill mail and the lols after all it is easy to kill a mission ship the fitting differences are vast its not the players fitting skill thats wrong rather PVE and PVP have very different fitting styles,

To add a ability to track down dust mercs i would have to ask why at least with EVE there is ninja salvage or stealing but such a thing in dust would likly be 100% for greifing purposes

Once the market opens up, I might probably grief you through jacked up market prices.

lol Nice joke OP, next you will ask for killstreaks and nukes

It's scorestreaks now.

It wasn't really a joke. I started playing DUST because I wanted a game with massive corp on corp battles, rivalries, strategy, tactics, challenging game play, cutthroat attitude, EVE players (hopefully) buying me tanks and paying me to make someone else lose, and face melting. Lots of face melting. Hopefully with plasma, lasers, missiles, and stuff I've never even heard of. I keep playing DUST because it's fun, and the Devs are implementing more of what's above. It's BETA after all.

I'm not so conceited that I think I'm going to change the Dev's plan, because they know who they are going for and what they are doing, and I guess I'm not against PvE, but I am against many players who aren't comfortable with FPS games, and who want an easy, relaxing, dumbed-down FPS game to play.

I suppose from another point of view, PvE might be a good thing because then hopefully the Devs will increase the speed of PvP for PvPers. Hopefully there won't be too many nerfs next build, but more buffs instead.

I don't want an easy game! IMHO making DUST easy for bad RP players is like making EVE easy for bad CoD players. I can only speak for myself, but it's the feedback thread, so that's some of mine.

p.s. The bad @ FPS/RP stuff wasn't really directed @ anyone who posted in this thread, more at other stuff I've seen. It seems like everyone here wants PvE for pretty good reasons. I'm sure the PvE will be fun... I have enjoyed pve from games like cod zombies/ Left 4 Dead too. I also kind of wanted to see a feedback thread that's not a restated version of what's been suggested 10,000 times.

Im not a big fan of the Player vs Environment either part of this betas development. For the fact it will distract CCP resources from the Player vs Player battlefield itself. I know that it will be in the game , but hope it doesn't give SP at all. No one is going to respect a Merc in command or think they are a competitive player if your only experience is shooting drones. You can reply well you don't have to do it , there is a option but who is going to suffer through PvP if they can coast on Pve.

Also no one will take dust serious as a competitive shooter if its majority play is Pve.Dont get me wrong I have nothing against Pve play and do enjoy it time to time on the holidays with friends and family on a FPS. In addition it wont effect eve at all , once again distancing itself from dust`s major selling point a FPS that is connected and effects a MMORPG.

Please do not use a different genre to counter my point , since you went right for Eve a MMORPG the answer is no you do not know any FPS that uses Pve and is considered competitive. If this was a RPG beta then your argument would be sound and i say your right no ifs or buts about it.

Also I don't hate Pve , I just don't think you should earn SP from it . Play it all day and enjoy it with friends all day but SP should only be earned during matches with out players only to tell players yes dust can compete as a competitive shooter and not just a major Co op game.

Im not a big fan of the Player vs Environment either part of this betas development. For the fact it will distract CCP resources from the Player vs Player battlefield itself. I know that it will be in the game , but hope it doesn't give SP at all.

No one is going to respect a Merc in command or think they are a competitive player if your only experience is shooting drones. You can reply well you don't have to do it , there is a option but who is going to suffer through PvP if they can coast on Pve.

Also no one will take dust serious as a competitive shooter if its majority play is Pve.Dont get me wrong I have nothing against Pve play and do enjoy it time to time on the holidays with friends and family on a FPS. In addition it wont effect eve at all , once again distancing itself from dust`s major selling point a FPS that is connected and effects a MMORPG.

Please do not use a different genre to counter my point , since you went right for Eve a MMORPG the answer is no you do not know any FPS that uses Pve and is considered competitive.

People are capable of thinking on the fly and coming up with ideas...aka problem solving. Computers are not actually capable of that yet. And we're not quite close enough to the point were we have Minds like from an Iain M. Banks book or I, Robot or anything approaching that.

Smaller system? I didn't buy bf3 because of the beta . No that is not why and you know it. Your just trying to goat me into swearing at you and I'm not. Sp in co op will hugely effect pvp that your staying who cares about .its different to and I want it because I don't like shooters statement. If your such a fan of pvp then it doesn't matter your only getting isk from co op because its a side mission from the main part of dust.

have you seen it done in another game no.

Please do not use a different genre to counter my point , since you went right for Eve a MMORPG the answer is no you do not know any FPS that uses Pve and is considered competitive. If this was a RPG beta then your argument would be sound and i say your right no ifs or buts about it.

Also I don't hate Pve , I just don't think you should earn SP from it . Play it all day and enjoy it with friends all day but SP should only be earned during matches with out players only to tell players yes dust can compete as a competitive shooter and not just a major Co op game.

And also for the above poster from second page. That was a single player game. Trying to make a system run it for an online game would be difficult due to not all npc's being on the same side.

Of course it is, how many people post feedback for changes and things they do not want?

I post feedback that favours an improvement to BALANCE, not feedback that favours my playstyle and makes it stronger.

I don't want "non combat" areas. PvP should be the only focus, or preparing for it. If character customization is ever implemented, players should earn the right to use it through PvP. They shouldn't even get a nice room to start.

One other assessment from the OP that needs revision is the misconception that all development resources are drawn from one pool. Development teams are assigned different areas within which they work and developers are hired/assigned based on the skills required to fulfill their given role within product creation. I like many of the things on the list in the OP, but to assume that working on one aspect of the game directly diminishes focus on another aspect is simply inaccurate.

Good point. I believe there is some crossover, but I have no idea to what degree.

Maybe because you want balance in the game? Do you make suggestions to make the game imbalanced? Does your style of play not favor a balanced game?

The title is provocative so people will post their opinion about PvE. Obviously, PvE will be in the game.

And this fits the definition of "trolling" if you look at it the right way.

My apologies if you took it that way. I meant it more to arouse or stimulate thought and discussion. I did not see another thread that articulating my sentiments on the planned content. To avoid seeming contentious, I made an attempt not to specifically discredit or criticize other people's opinions about PvE.

I feel that the title is justifiable because I'm fairly certain that players are able to give their feedback on content that has happened or will happen. I have no delusions that the devs will change what they have already planned because of this thread. This thread is simply how I feel about coming changes. It's my feedback, and although I knew that some players would vehemently disagree with my feedback, I gave it anyways. I have not, and will not, criticize anyone's opinions or suggestions made in this thread with regards to PvE. This is to avoid people from feeling like I am just "trolling" them for a response.

But I do like what Cross Atu and a few others have posted. I wouldn't have a problem if PvE is for noobies, and PvPvE is for everyone else.

We, the undersigned, believe that while PvE will be a necessary element of Dust 514, and that many players may focus primarily or exclusively on that PvE content, CCP should observe two core principles when creating the PvE experience...

First, the implementation of PvE content should not be done at the expense of the development of the PvP game.

Second, it should not be possible for players to use PvE play to gain a significant advantage over players who focus only on PvP.

Please do not add PvE. I'd much rather have different game modes, sights, customization of weapons, new maps, new weapons, more players in matches, more ammo types for existing weaps, better balancing but not over-nerf, etc., etc., etc.

PvE detracts from skill. More mercs fighting mercs is the way it should be. This game has a risk factor to game play, and PvE makes people feel safe, even if it's "really brutal lol". Mercs should be the ones who destroy another merc's ISK and AUR.

514 is not EVE. If people want PvE in a game, they can play EVE. That's good for CCP because it might make some 514 players play EVE too. The games are connected, but they don't need to be the same.





ps I'd be fine w/some bots to test weaps on. I don't really consider that PvE because it's just for PvP training, and no isk/sp are earned.




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I don't want "non combat" areas. PvP should be the only focus, or preparing for it. If character customization is ever implemented, players should earn the right to use it through PvP. They shouldn't even get a nice room to start.

Just imagine if that type of thinking was applied to the creation of world of warcraft because blizzard is really crying over that it took its RTS game and transformed it into a different genre . Im sure there was people like you screaming if was in the RTS game is should be in the RPG exactly the same way line drawn into the sand.

Every time CCP puts in a new RPG element into this development it makes me a FPS players that has played FPS games for over 8 years take a step back and see what is in the up coming FPS list of 2012 . Im sure im not alone , just not everyone is as vocal as i am and I beta for Eve itself and never made one post because it was what it said it was a MMORPG.

No one is on the Eve forums screaming we need kill streaks and get rid of the turn base combat it should be in Eve because its a RPG.

Please do not add PvE. I'd much rather have different game modes, sights, customization of weapons, new maps, new weapons, more players in matches, more ammo types for existing weaps, better balancing but not over-nerf, etc., etc., etc.

PvE detracts from skill. More mercs fighting mercs is the way it should be. This game has a risk factor to game play, and PvE makes people feel safe, even if it's "really brutal lol". Mercs should be the ones who destroy another merc's ISK and AUR.

514 is not EVE. If people want PvE in a game, they can play EVE. That's good for CCP because it might make some 514 players play EVE too. The games are connected, but they don't need to be the same.





ps I'd be fine w/some bots to test weaps on. I don't really consider that PvE because it's just for PvP training, and no isk/sp are earned.




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My apologies if you took it that way. I meant it more to arouse or stimulate thought and discussion. I did not see another thread that articulating my sentiments on the planned content. To avoid seeming contentious, I made an attempt not to specifically discredit or criticize other people's opinions about PvE.

I feel that the title is justifiable because I'm fairly certain that players are able to give their feedback on content that has happened or will happen. I have no delusions that the devs will change what they have already planned because of this thread. This thread is simply how I feel about coming changes. It's my feedback, and although I knew that some players would vehemently disagree with my feedback, I gave it anyways. I have not, and will not, criticize anyone's opinions or suggestions made in this thread with regards to PvE. This is to avoid people from feeling like I am just "trolling" them for a response.

But I do like what Cross Atu and a few others have posted. I wouldn't have a problem if PvE is for noobies, and PvPvE is for everyone else.

Rf you have commented to a bunch of my post in this thread for 2 pages now, you know what i said or your just hitting the quote button for the sake of it. The turn base comment is for the fact that Turn base combat is a core mechanic of RPG`s and not FPS games and would be ludicrous for anyone to complain on that in a RPG development just like Pve progression in a MMOFPS is ludicrous and breaking the core FPS mechanic. Just like there is a RPG grind there is a FPS grind that is expected of the players. RPG players do missions for SP and FPS players kill others for SP.

What this whole thread is about is to remove Pve or as I said just have it give you ISK. I know firefall exist but to be honest I don't think anyone is taking that game serious as the planet conquering system needs to be in Dust.

No passive SP
No SP from Co op Pve that leads to weapon upgrades in Pvp Or you will just get the average RPG progression no matter the different skill point progression. Everyone will just Pve because they will die less till they have high SP upgrades and clan up and go Raid.

if you mess with the progression of this game you will completely offset the player base. Its time for Eve players to compromise once and adapt to the FPS style.

Rf you have commented to a bunch of my post in this thread for 2 pages now, you know what i said or your just hitting the quote button for the sake of it. The turn base comment is for the fact that Turn base combat is a core mechanic of RPG`s and not FPS games and would be ludicrous for anyone to complain on that in a RPG development just like Pve progression in a MMOFPS is ludicrous and breaking the core FPS mechanic. Just like there is a RPG grind there is a FPS grind that is expected of the players. RPG players do missions for SP and FPS players kill others for SP.

What this whole thread is about is to remove Pve or as I said just have it give you ISK. I know firefall exist but to be honest I don't think anyone is taking that game serious as the planet conquering system needs to be in Dust.

No passive SP
No SP from Co op Pve that leads to weapon upgrades in Pvp Or you will just get the average RPG progression no matter the different skill point progression. Everyone will just Pve because they will die less till they have high SP upgrades and clan up and go Raid.

if you mess with the progression of this game you will completely offset the player base. Its time for Eve players to compromise once and adapt to the FPS style.

I can't be bothered to respond to this.

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Like every other MMORPG you hit A and then a Random hit generator starts where spread sheet number hits or misses them and then the npc character spread sheet number hits you .

That is how every core RPG game mechanic whether you bend it or not and tweak it. The only thing that has changed from dungeons and dragons is the computer random generator versus rolling dice.

Ill be happy to admit i dont very much care for MMORPG

we don't want another generic shooter that is funny because they don't want a shooter at all . Yes only I make sweeping comments because there is no other game besides COD in the FPS genre and even when we acknowledge another there is no differences from COD so its basically COD to us.

Dont worry CCP got your back and will do what you want Eve players.Dust will be known as Eve 2.0 to the PS3 community because of its inability to let go but screaming were making something different, You better hope Planetside 2 doesn't come to the PS4 or your dead in the water because right now you think you can do no wrong because there is no other game saying MMOFPS.

I dont have to let go as a FPS player im not looking for a new playerbase to complement my old one. Every FPS player saw Dust as a Massive Pvp game and waited a year to get into the beta and now Eve players want drones so were getting drones completely saying go screw yourself FPS players once again. I rather play a Ea game sometimes because at least you know where you stand with them,they dont care about you.

Oh someone pointed out the small sub genre of action RPG`s that once again is not what Dust is classified as. Once again someone didn't read previous post that would be pretty helpful in 4 page thread instead just reading the main title and replying the same rebuttal that was reply to by the last ten guys that asked your same question, Also you missed kingdom of hearts that I like to , just for that 11th guy that asked the same question as a rebuttal.

Im tired of replying to insults and quotes if you don't want me to speak stop quoting me just answer the I want Pve in Eve without quoting and insulting me in the thread

I don't know what the level of interest is on these boards vis-a-vis the New Eden economy, but I'll assume it's super high. A problem has been facing the economy of late: rampant inflation. People are making a lot of money, and then not losing it. People do missions or incursions and make boatloads of ISK, but without losing ships. Stagnation in 0.0 politics means there aren't many wars taking place. There are too many sources of ISK, and not enough sinks.

DUST 514 is going to be a new ISK sink. That means CCP wants as many people as possible being paid by capsuleers to do something that's going to cause them to die and lose dropsuits, requiring them to spend money on other dropsuits.

Obviously never played DCUO or Age of Conan.

edit again: I'm not too weird though. I don't play MS Flight Simulator anymore =/.

Thank you for that post. My question is that if the only way to make ISK in EVE was PvP, do you think more people would lose money instead of everyone making it?

A few points I want to bring up in favor of PvE

- PvP is great for those who would love to have a back story to the Universe.

- (CCP willing) We can hunt the PvE players ( Carebear Hunts anyone?)

- Carebears can drop some valuable loot (If CCP decides to go that route with loot drops)

-Crazy Loot to use to build deadly versions of equipment for PvP (Rouge Drone augmented Nanohive anyone?)

Those are just a fraction of the possibilities. So I have to respectfully disagree with the OP on this issue.

-Marcus Stormfire

Gun customization is already coming:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=315202#post315202
"[REQUEST] Weapon customization: Subsystem, Rigging, Slots, or Add-ons
- The design for this is ready, but it is a very large task to implement it in-game. Expect this at a later date."

New weapons are already coming.
Guass rifle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJQjwKs6Kg
Flaylock pistol http://www.dust514.com/media/wallpapers/testers-tournament-unlock-3-5/
Scrambler rifle http://www.dust514.com/media/wallpapers/testers-tournament-unlock-1-5/
plasma cannon http://www.dust514.com/media/wallpapers/testers-tournament-unlock-5-5/

We will get more maps. The game is set in a universe with tens of thousands of planets each with multiple districts each with multiple maps. Watch this for more about map building in Dust 514:
http://youtu.be/pNmCRti9dFM?t=17m15s

The most recent player count announced was 24 vs 24 (48 players total), so I would expect the player count to be going up anyway. "massive online battles of up to 48 players" http://www.dust514.com/game/

Anyway this stuff is already coming, so there is no reason to cut PVE. If you don't want to do PVE, then don't play it. I want it, and I'm not the only one.

We also don't want non stop PVP in this "MMO", we want social areas, gambling and other things, Sorry but I totally agree with PvE elements to this game. This is not a random shooter, it'll cater to many people.

Yes the genre matters or there wouldn't be a genre in the first place and CCP said it in their own words we are trying to create a FPS because we felt creating another Eve was not the best thing for a new frontier.

If they put passive SP in , this game will be the laffing stock of the FPS community . A game that rewards you for not playing it as Yahtzee puts it is a huge mistake. I understand you like it in Eve but stop trying to recreate Eve with different avatars. If all you do is scream Eve to PS3 players it goes in one ear and out the other because no one cares about Eve. Only dust is the main concern of PS3 players and that has been called a FPS.

If you dont like PvP , why are you even in a beta that wants to have galaxy conquering as a major factor of gameplay. Do you think your going to take over a planet by never fighting another player?

SP is a major factor in Dust and if you dont keep it tied to PvP matches you run the risk of FPS players finding that SP is more of a time waster then a Progression through Dust. Like I said before why would you play Pvp and lose fittings plus kdr at a faster rate then just coasting through Pve. All it will do is make a RPG where you Pve till you get all your skills then clan up and do raids defeating the purpose of a FPS.

I would never go to a RPG forum and complain this game is turned base. Or Rant about a RTS and say all we do is harvest materials and build units that auto shoot enemies.

Guys, it wasn't until after I posted my comment that I realized this thread is just so old that one of us was necroing it.

Please do not add PvE. I'd much rather have different game modes, sights, customization of weapons, new maps, new weapons, more players in matches, more ammo types for existing weaps, better balancing but not over-nerf, etc., etc., etc.

PvE detracts from skill. More mercs fighting mercs is the way it should be. This game has a risk factor to game play, and PvE makes people feel safe, even if it's "really brutal lol". Mercs should be the ones who destroy another merc's ISK and AUR.

514 is not EVE. If people want PvE in a game, they can play EVE. That's good for CCP because it might make some 514 players play EVE too. The games are connected, but they don't need to be the same.





ps I'd be fine w/some bots to test weaps on. I don't really consider that PvE because it's just for PvP training, and no isk/sp are earned.




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If you recall anything PVE related in Eve, random players can scan you down in the star system and interrupt your PVE duh. There are corporations in Eve dedicated to doing just that... usually for the sake of baiting players in the middle of their PVE mission. Would be fun if I see that in DUST.

PvP for the real players

PvE to keep the kids/garbage players/codbois off the field.


who cares. they can't handle playing against real humans, they need AI to fight against.


and yet, they still complain that they don't get enough reward from PvE and will start bitching that the rewards for PvE and PvP are equal.

because, y'know, lets face it...

if you gotta play PvE to have fun, you really aren't that good at gaming and prolly shouldn't be playing 514 anyway.

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If they put passive SP in , this game will be the laffing stock of the FPS community . A game that rewards you for not playing it as Yahtzee puts it is a huge mistake. I understand you like it in Eve but stop trying to recreate Eve with different avatars. If all you do is scream Eve to PS3 players it goes in one ear and out the other because no one cares about Eve. Only dust is the main concern of PS3 players and that has been called a FPS.

PvP for the real players

PvE to keep the kids/garbage players/codbois off the field.


who cares. they can't handle playing against real humans, they need AI to fight against.


and yet, they still complain that they don't get enough reward from PvE and will start bitching that the rewards for PvE and PvP are equal.

because, y'know, lets face it...

if you gotta play PvE to have fun, you really aren't that good at gaming and prolly shouldn't be playing 514 anyway.

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like i said, pve for the kids, pvp for the real players.

CODbois agianst PvE?

you mean the same folks from the same game where you fight the zombies??????????


swwwwwwwwwwing and a miss!

naw man, you guys always do this:

"wow, this game is so hard! i can't play against real people and feel good! i need some ai bots to play against otherwise, well... i just can't level up! thanks for the AI bots!!"

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like i said, pve for the kids, pvp for the real players.

CODbois agianst PvE?

you mean the same folks from the same game where you fight the zombies??????????


swwwwwwwwwwing and a miss!

naw man, you guys always do this:

"wow, this game is so hard! i can't play against real people and feel good! i need some ai bots to play against otherwise, well... i just can't level up! thanks for the AI bots!!"

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yeah i know... it's montessori school.

anything you disagree with is just mean.

does it take away from the experience?

yes.

because when games like 514 come out
and the bulk of inhumanity has been hiding out facing dead **** ai bots
and then they get here...

gee, i wonder why the clans aren't allowed to group up in squads larger then 1?

gee i wonder why you guys wonder why this game is so hard?

you've spent years playing against ai enemies that died off years ago.

of course this is gonna be too hard for you. and so then comes the nerftrain...

ie
"tanks are ruining ambush"
"snipers are ruining skirmish"
"everyone is ruining my k/d and i want you all to stop right now!"

and then we are right back where the last fiasco stopped only a couple years further down the calander.

in re: the deceny thing

you did notice we were all trying to shoot each other in the face on the field? as in that's part of the game.

i'll try to do it as nicely as i can...

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when I'm sitting at 10 million SP able to throw full specced suit after fully specced suit into battle, new players will be slaughtered. You call this a game of skill, and it is, but gear and SP matter just as much in many cases. A new player coming into this game a year after release would likely be stomped on over and over with a big fat 0/20 score and decide this game sucks; they should not have to feel their only option is to suffer through the grind as the vets maul them over and over.

(others have said,) "wow, this game is so hard! i can't play against real people and feel good! i need some ai bots to play against otherwise, well... i just can't level up! thanks for the AI bots!!"

Second they wouldn't be in the beta AT ALL if they didn't want to play against other people.

Why are you arguing with a 2.5 month old thread post??? What you should be more worried about is that nothing has changed in Dust in 2.5 months.

I have to say, PvE should have a Tiny Payout compared to PvP.
PvP= Main Game Focus
PvE= Relaxation Time

it's not needed.

that's the one and only point.


these kids cannot play this game.

and so they can go ANNNNNNNNNNNYWHERE else and go play their crappy ai games. you listed em all. go ahead on back to em.


we finally get 514, a big game, a real game, y'know for the big boys and girls and you guys STILL can't play it.
it's too hard, it's too complicated. i can't get any kills. i can't figure out basic math. wahhhhhhhhhh


so whatta ya do?

ask for ai.

you guys always do this.

that's why all those other crappy games have ai.

you can't play those either so they bot em up for ya.


and then of course comes the next step in this stupid charade:
"PvE should be the same isk/sp as PvP"

only a matter of time before some bottom of the barrel codboi starts posting for that.

and there ya go.
you guys have managed to weezle your way outta the asskickings you deserve. and you want full credit and pay for it.
always the same. just a matter of time. take something reasonable and turn it into feculance.


you guys try and shuck and jive like it's the folks who don't cosign your lil montessori parade are the ones who have the problem.

they aren't the ones who can't handle the game.
they arent the ones who NEED ai bots.

so be honest if you're gonna ask for this codboi PvE crap:

you don't want PvE

you need it.
otherwise you can't play 514.

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we finally get 514, a big game, a real game, y'know for the big boys and girls and you guys STILL can't play it.
it's too hard, it's too complicated. i can't get any kills. i can't figure out basic math. wahhhhhhhhhh

i do play arma.
watching you guys whine about 514 being too hard is kinda funny.

and again be honest:

the only reason you want AI is because the humans are all jackhammering you.


too much milk fed veal trying to play 514. better make it cod. bring in the ai quick or the market group will shrink because if these guys can't handle the non clanned teams then they sure as hell can't play against teams of 16.

best to bring in the ai so we can keep them around.

yeah, like having folks who favor ai is healthy for this game.


your helmets are all on too tight.

the fact that you don't see how broken your request is actually goes to show exaclty how daft this community is.

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i do play arma.
watching you guys whine about 514 being too hard is kinda funny.

and again be honest:

the only reason you want AI is because the humans are all jackhammering you.


too much milk fed veal trying to play 514. better make it cod. bring in the ai quick or the market group will shrink because if these guys can't handle the non clanned teams then they sure as hell can't play against teams of 16.

best to bring in the ai so we can keep them around.

yeah, like having folks who favor ai is healthy for this game.


your helmets are all on too tight.

the fact that you don't see how broken your request is actually goes to show exaclty how daft this community is.

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Please do not use a different genre to counter my point , since you went right for Eve a MMORPG the answer is no you do not know any FPS that uses Pve and is considered competitive. If this was a RPG beta then your argument would be sound and i say your right no ifs or buts about it.

Also I don't hate Pve , I just don't think you should earn SP from it . Play it all day and enjoy it with friends all day but SP should only be earned during matches with out players only to tell players yes dust can compete as a competitive shooter and not just a major Co op game.

Yeah, but he's so hungry!

Personally, the majority of my reasons and thoughts (as well as many others) on PvE are here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49714&find=unread

However, I would add that the most successful corps in Eve Online fully employ both play-styles. Being completely combat-oriented may work great in a small, organized crew. But to create something like empires in this MMO there needs to be a much higher social/meta challenge coupled with the fact that it must be sustained through vigilance. This will include planners, leadership, logistics, and many other non-combat roles. Many corp leaders now spend the majority of their time organizing rather than "gunnin down ta nubs".

As such, I will return to what Bassmeant's point as he's right, this is that game that finally rises above the others. However, this is not simply because you have more options and battlefields (or even better "clan" support). The thing that makes this game different is it's urge for unity among diversity of players and their gameplay alike. Greater things will demand lot's of people with lot's of different skills...if that means you have to round up some middle school CoD players and put them in slave/citizen corps to go off and PvE for your corp...then so be it. Tax them, teach them, and you may be surprised to find that people grow in a persistent game. If not, send them our way (D-Uni) and we'll get them groomed for combat, eh?