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Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 423	Posted - 2013.02.25 22:33:00 - [121] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: like i said, pve for the kids, pvp for the real players. CODbois agianst PvE? you mean the same folks from the same game where you fight the zombies?????????? swwwwwwwwwwing and a miss! naw man, you guys always do this: "wow, this game is so hard! i can't play against real people and feel good! i need some ai bots to play against otherwise, well... i just can't level up! thanks for the AI bots!!" Peace B Are you trying to act an arse, or does it come naturally? You're expected to act decently over here in the feedback forums, and you run your corp's name through the mud when you act out just to act out. Meanwhile, when it comes to PvE in any game, TF2, CoD, EVE, whatever, what did it ever take away from the experience? I can tell you right now that not only are they usually played completely differently from PvP, but some, like the TF2 example, are FAR harder. PvE is a fun idea, and it shouldn't have arseholes like you harping on about how bad it is without even having something to comment on. If it comes out and it's bad, then you can start whining, but until then STFU and behave yourself.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 117	Posted - 2013.02.26 18:32:00 - [122] - Quote yeah i know... it's montessori school. anything you disagree with is just mean. does it take away from the experience? yes. because when games like 514 come out and the bulk of inhumanity has been hiding out facing dead **** ai bots and then they get here... gee, i wonder why the clans aren't allowed to group up in squads larger then 1? gee i wonder why you guys wonder why this game is so hard? you've spent years playing against ai enemies that died off years ago. of course this is gonna be too hard for you. and so then comes the nerftrain... ie "tanks are ruining ambush" "snipers are ruining skirmish" "everyone is ruining my k/d and i want you all to stop right now!" and then we are right back where the last fiasco stopped only a couple years further down the calander. in re: the deceny thing you did notice we were all trying to shoot each other in the face on the field? as in that's part of the game. i'll try to do it as nicely as i can... Peace B
Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 423	Posted - 2013.02.26 18:52:00 - [123] - Quote It is not that we disagree, it's just that you are wrong. Go pay Halo and there's Firefight. Go play CoD and there's Zombiez. Warhawk has a horde mode, TF2 has MvM, and many of them have a story mode, where all the enemies are bots. Does that take away from those games? Are those games all piles of rotting dung because they have modes with bots? According to the sales figures, no. According to the size of their fanbases, no. According to how long their franchises have been afloat, no. According to how fun these modes are, no, although this is admittedly more subjective. We already have the 'tanks are ruining ambush, snipers are ruining skirmish, and kdr whine threads. Seriously, at least three of each on the first few pages of Feedback alone. Also, we are shooting each others faces off in a game. It doesn't mean you can't keep a civil tongue. You can go play any game where the object is to murder people (IE, almost every game) and you are still expected to maintain basic human decency.
RoundEy3 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.02.26 19:16:00 - [124] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: yeah i know... it's montessori school. anything you disagree with is just mean. does it take away from the experience? yes. because when games like 514 come out and the bulk of inhumanity has been hiding out facing dead ** ai bots and then they get here... gee, i wonder why the clans aren't allowed to group up in squads larger then 1? gee i wonder why you guys wonder why this game is so hard? you've spent years playing against ai enemies that died off years ago. of course this is gonna be too hard for you. and so then comes the nerftrain... ie "tanks are ruining ambush" "snipers are ruining skirmish" "everyone is ruining my k/d and i want you all to stop right now!" and then we are right back where the last fiasco stopped only a couple years further down the calander. in re: the deceny thing you did notice we were all trying to shoot each other in the face on the field? as in that's part of the game. i'll try to do it as nicely as i can... Peace B Sheeit son U's and i's are like anomaly apex's of the same curve! I hate noobs and snipers and people with opinions too! I say this, you want something from dis game my gun ain't dishin out? Then yous a b***tch!!! What we say goes! Ain't that right!? Don't take ** from no on this video game PLATFORM!!! I'll tell you what... I'll see U on the battlefield you dumb mutha %$$#&^!! People like us need to be separated from the garbage cuz we is LEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!! This game vindicates us to be gawds! Gawd Dammmm! So that's it, close this buisness! This lot is bankrupt! Rack and pinion steering b****s! I'm out! RRRRRRRRRRRRR
Tribalfreak Baham Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.02.26 19:43:00 - [125] - Quote Seriously, you'd be hard pressed to find a shooter WITHOUT player versus A.I and these shooters are still freaking awesome. If normal shooters have it' then an MMO, which has tons of lore should be a given. The argument of this game failing because it will have PVE is ignorant, stupid, unfounded and all around ******** since none of these people who are crying that it will make the game fail can produce any proof of their accusations.
Monty Mole Clone The c64s 8	Posted - 2013.02.26 20:15:00 - [126] - Quote no pve would mean no demons/dark souls like gameplay, which would make me a very sad clone indeed
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 396	Posted - 2013.02.26 20:37:00 - [127] - Quote So you blame unrelated things for something CCP HAS ALREADY MADE as the reason their are imbalances? Idiot's names are usually all caps
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 120	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:06:00 - [128] - Quote keep feedin em milk and it sure ain't gonna make em stronger. just more veal-like. and it's gonna drag down the PvP without quesiton. the other guy talking about bf3 needs decaf. Peace B
Tribalfreak Baham Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:16:00 - [129] - Quote Produce proof of your claim.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 122	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:03:00 - [130] - Quote LOL! wow, I can't believe that my thread has been revived! Ok, since a number have taken time to give feedback, I will give a little bit too. This thread is still relevant to the game's future. It's not about abandoning a PvE project, but the Devs are trying to figure out how corps will make money and fight each other. link here! So it looks like the plan is to have us earn the most from Player vs Player action. People might get something from PvE, but I still want the reward to be significantly less than the reward from PvP. Now that open beta is around, we have a bunch of new people who seem to like PvP. That's good. I think there's probably enough around now so that enough of the PvP base will stay. My fear (at the time of this post) was that if PvE were implemented, no one would PvP. Illuminaughty-696 wrote: when I'm sitting at 10 million SP able to throw full specced suit after fully specced suit into battle, new players will be slaughtered. You call this a game of skill, and it is, but gear and SP matter just as much in many cases. A new player coming into this game a year after release would likely be stomped on over and over with a big fat 0/20 score and decide this game sucks; they should not have to feel their only option is to suffer through the grind as the vets maul them over and over. I don't think a new player should have to wait a year to be on the same level as older players. 3 months MAX. Why do you think so many people don't want to play Eve? One reason is that they'll forever be behind everyone who started playing before them. It's an FPS game too. FPS lets people compete against each other. The game would suck if new players are always at a disadvantage that cannot be reduced and equalized in a fairly short period of time. Giving players PvE as a "fix" to this problem doesn't fix anything at all. Fortunately, the Devs are working on a new SP cap system. I am hopeful that new players will be able to quickly reach the same effectiveness as a vet without having to spend AUR. That means max proto drop suit, max weapon and weapon skills, max dropsuit mods all in a month or two. Once you hit that tier, you can branch out into other things (like another suit, vehicles, etc., etc) but everyone needs to be on the same level for the game to be fun. I had the most fun in this game when all of the SP was reset, and everyone was on the same level. Now every game is just filled with people using proto gear, and most of it AUR. BASSMEANT wrote: (others have said,) "wow, this game is so hard! i can't play against real people and feel good! i need some ai bots to play against otherwise, well... i just can't level up! thanks for the AI bots!!" Yah. Many of the people who want PvE probably do not want it for this reason, but as illuminaughty stated it might be the only option for players in the future. Just to try it out, I threw on the Assault - Frontline suit with almost 0 infantry skills (lol @ lvl 1 weaponry) and did fine. Others tried it and did the same too. You're not going to be on the top of the LB, but you can still stay above a 2.0. (sniping and tanking not included in this ratio...) If the only option for new players is PvE because the PvP is just too imba, the ones who can PvP and like to PvP will quit and go somewhere else. Vermaak Doe wrote: Second they wouldn't be in the beta AT ALL if they didn't want to play against other people. There are a number of players who have articulated that they do not like or enjoy PvP. Crm234 wrote: Why are you arguing with a 2.5 month old thread post??? What you should be more worried about is that nothing has changed in Dust in 2.5 months. Despite Dust514's flaws and the fact that it is still BETA, it is definitely one of the better FPS games on the market. I'm glad that people are still voicing their opinions on certain issues ^.^ > Again, I am totally fine with PvE, and I hope that it pays nothing near what the corp contracts and whatever system CCP is setting up soon will. Right now I'm not getting paid to be a merc. I'm getting paid to pubstomp. PvE doesn't fix this for me, as I still wouldn't be paid to merc and fight against other corporations. That's what I want, to shoot someone in the face, and not a robot.

0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 122	Posted - 2013.02.27 03:06:00 - [131] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I have to say, PvE should have a Tiny Payout compared to PvP. PvP= Main Game Focus PvE= Relaxation Time ^.^ I agree.
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 72	Posted - 2013.03.01 16:41:00 - [132] - Quote As much as I can understand a lot of the feeling for centering around PvP content, I feel there is a need to instigate a little counter perspective rather than just agreeing. It is well and good that PvP is the center focus and anima of this game, we are also disregarding the ability to make this game something more. As I and others have gone over a few times in discussion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49714&find=unread there is a very sound number of reasons why PvE content is both good and quite necessary in a persistent MMO. Rather going into some of the blatantly obvious notions such as time-player gaps and Full matches, let us consider as a premise that one of the most intensive PvP experiences coming from Eve Online is on the backdrop of PvE content and simpler gameplay. If I had to play strict PvP in an open world, there would be little else than the best fighters and the rest. I've met many of them and they are both good and well-funded. However, in Eve this is largely due to a dependence on others (as far as territory, rent, and resources go). Players who are exceptionally good a PvP only become so as a direct product of those who are more interested in other things such as PI, Mining, or trading. Likewise, the special equipment and tech is found almost exclusively from PvE content and turned around either for a profit or for personal use. This is the nature of both an MMO and an economy. Taking this towards Dust, there is an impasse. Are we an independent game with it's own economy, players, and empires? Or are we simply a PvP-based game that is largely dependent on a fixed market with only the hope of being traded over to another game's (Eve Online) players for profit? If the later is true, than many things about this game will become rather fixed and stale. There certainly will be the best at PvP and all else by nature and little will be able to be done about it. This is not necessarily bad if we are to follow in suit as many other FPS game most certainly follow in suit and in a larger picture it's actually still very innovative as we allow more features such as boarding (being a pirate) or massive warfare in Conquest mode (Out in Null-Sec). But we will remain slaves to that system with very little control over our own destiny. It is my hope that this is not quite the endgame for Dust 514. <3 Punk
Eniram Resh L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 0	Posted - 2013.03.01 17:23:00 - [133] - Quote PvE will be a fun addition to the game to some people. If you want to PvP, then PvP, no one is forcing you to go and fight AI. I don't see why it shouldn't be implemented for those who might enjoy it. Saying that PvE should not be implemented because "you" don't like it, and that the game should be solely focused on PvP, is the equivalent to saying; "I hate the flavor of bananas, therefore I think all ice cream and candy companies should not make banana flavored products". Just because you hate bananas doesn't mean everyone else does.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 135	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:48:00 - [134] - Quote it's not needed. that's the one and only point. these kids cannot play this game. and so they can go ANNNNNNNNNNNYWHERE else and go play their crappy ai games. you listed em all. go ahead on back to em. we finally get 514, a big game, a real game, y'know for the big boys and girls and you guys STILL can't play it. it's too hard, it's too complicated. i can't get any kills. i can't figure out basic math. wahhhhhhhhhh so whatta ya do? ask for ai. you guys always do this. that's why all those other crappy games have ai. you can't play those either so they bot em up for ya. and then of course comes the next step in this stupid charade: "PvE should be the same isk/sp as PvP" only a matter of time before some bottom of the barrel codboi starts posting for that. and there ya go. you guys have managed to weezle your way outta the asskickings you deserve. and you want full credit and pay for it. always the same. just a matter of time. take something reasonable and turn it into feculance. you guys try and shuck and jive like it's the folks who don't cosign your lil montessori parade are the ones who have the problem. they aren't the ones who can't handle the game. they arent the ones who NEED ai bots. so be honest if you're gonna ask for this codboi PvE crap: you don't want PvE you need it. otherwise you can't play 514. Peace B
Buster Friently Rosen Association 42	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:02:00 - [135] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: it's not needed. that's the one and only point. these kids cannot play this game. and so they can go ANNNNNNNNNNNYWHERE else and go play their crappy ai games. you listed em all. go ahead on back to em. we finally get 514, a big game, a real game, y'know for the big boys and girls and you guys STILL can't play it. it's too hard, it's too complicated. i can't get any kills. i can't figure out basic math. wahhhhhhhhhh so whatta ya do? ask for ai. you guys always do this. that's why all those other crappy games have ai. you can't play those either so they bot em up for ya. and then of course comes the next step in this stupid charade: "PvE should be the same isk/sp as PvP" only a matter of time before some bottom of the barrel codboi starts posting for that. and there ya go. you guys have managed to weezle your way outta the asskickings you deserve. and you want full credit and pay for it. always the same. just a matter of time. take something reasonable and turn it into feculance. you guys try and shuck and jive like it's the folks who don't cosign your lil montessori parade are the ones who have the problem. they aren't the ones who can't handle the game. they arent the ones who NEED ai bots. so be honest if you're gonna ask for this codboi PvE crap: you don't want PvE you need it. otherwise you can't play 514. Peace B How long did you train to become a penile member? You're good at it. PVE is coming. It's part of Dust. Get used to it.
Cade Orion Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:06:00 - [136] - Quote This will all be coming - I say YAY to PvE. It will bring in more players and let me do some things if I'm having an off night.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 429	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:41:00 - [137] - Quote @ bASSmeant only codbois such as yourself whine about it Htfu
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 469	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:49:00 - [138] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: we finally get 514, a big game, a real game, y'know for the big boys and girls and you guys STILL can't play it. it's too hard, it's too complicated. i can't get any kills. i can't figure out basic math. wahhhhhhhhhh i think you play too much call of modern battefield 4 i like the part where you think this game is a real game. a **** poor attempt at a match making game that has been done many times in the past with thin veils of modern shooter qualities shoved up a quake style game's ass is pure garbage. it is far from a big game, a real game. you want a real shooter play a modded arma II. then come back and say that this game is the perfection of shooters.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 135	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:25:00 - [139] - Quote i do play arma. watching you guys whine about 514 being too hard is kinda funny. and again be honest: the only reason you want AI is because the humans are all jackhammering you. too much milk fed veal trying to play 514. better make it cod. bring in the ai quick or the market group will shrink because if these guys can't handle the non clanned teams then they sure as hell can't play against teams of 16. best to bring in the ai so we can keep them around. yeah, like having folks who favor ai is healthy for this game. your helmets are all on too tight. the fact that you don't see how broken your request is actually goes to show exaclty how daft this community is. Peace B
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:42:00 - [140] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: i do play arma. watching you guys whine about 514 being too hard is kinda funny. and again be honest: the only reason you want AI is because the humans are all jackhammering you. too much milk fed veal trying to play 514. better make it cod. bring in the ai quick or the market group will shrink because if these guys can't handle the non clanned teams then they sure as hell can't play against teams of 16. best to bring in the ai so we can keep them around. yeah, like having folks who favor ai is healthy for this game. your helmets are all on too tight. the fact that you don't see how broken your request is actually goes to show exaclty how daft this community is. Peace B I don't see PVE ruining the game, or bringing down PVP. You're going to have some people that will probably only play PVE, and if that's what they like (and espescially if they're paying for AUR), then why not let them do it? The people (like yourself) who want nothing to do with PVE will never touch it, and they shouldn't have to if they don't want to. Then there are people (like myself) who'd probably bounce back and forth between the two, depending the day and how we felt at the time. If we're not up to par, we'll get stomped (as we should), but I doubt we'll cry "Nerf". You're obviously very passionate about this game (at least it seems so from your posts), and seem to want to see it succeed. Do you really think that PVE will be a game destroying event?

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 432	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:43:00 - [141] - Quote Just keep on bullshitting about what you want this game to me, it's been confirmed a more than a month ago
Buster Friently Rosen Association 46	Posted - 2013.03.01 22:05:00 - [142] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: i do play arma. watching you guys whine about 514 being too hard is kinda funny. and again be honest: the only reason you want AI is because the humans are all jackhammering you. too much milk fed veal trying to play 514. better make it cod. bring in the ai quick or the market group will shrink because if these guys can't handle the non clanned teams then they sure as hell can't play against teams of 16. best to bring in the ai so we can keep them around. yeah, like having folks who favor ai is healthy for this game. your helmets are all on too tight. the fact that you don't see how broken your request is actually goes to show exaclty how daft this community is. Peace B Wow. So wanting new content in Dust is because people suck at the current content? Fail at logic my friend, fail.
James Thraxton The Exemplars 83	Posted - 2013.03.01 22:09:00 - [143] - Quote hey guys, PvE will be as difficult as PvP, CCP will use it separately to introduce new aspect to the dust world, most likely planetary production, as drones traditionally drop alloys, not gear, as loot. expect their PvE to be far different from normal versions.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 168	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:42:00 - [144] - Quote Wanna talk about incapable AI? Here's something you probably haven't considered. If any game developer wanted, they could program an AI that can move and take cover like pros as is in many of the better FPS games out there. However, the AI is intentionally dumbed down in those games as far as combat capability goes. If one programmed in a simple straight forward combat code for the AI, then the AI would be able to track you wherever you are on the map, have perfect accuracy on any part of your exposed "hitbox", provided no bullet spread or range limit, even if it's just one pixel standing above a terrain feature. So no. AI doesn't have to be lame or easy, it can actually be better than a human player. If PvE has potential to be very challenging. I remember playing a FPS a while back where the AI would take cover and, supposedly, blindfire by holding their weapons over/around the cover, and fire. These attacks were always accurate and made playing the game very frustrating at times. Rewards for PvE... Salvage and material drops that can't be gotten any other way. Also, if I'm risking my load out, then I'd better get something substantial. The lower the reward, the lower the risk. If I'm not getting ISK and SP for PvE, then I'd better not loose any dropsuit fittings or vehicle fittings if I die. I look forward to PvE, PvP, and PvPvE as I'll be playing all the aspects I possibly can. Edit: Almost forgot the all important words. If there's an aspect of the game you don't like and doesn't fit your play style that you can avoid, then avoid it. You don't like PvE, then don't go playing PvE content.
Tribalfreak Baham Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.03.02 13:24:00 - [145] - Quote @BASSMEANT you still have yet to submit proof that what you say is FACT. All you're stating so far is your own opinion, which is flawed on several levels. What is it to you if other players play PVE? You still have your PVP. No matter how you look at it, the game is F2P it would make sense to appeal to as large an audience as possible to keep the game running. I highly respect the passion you have for this game (for good f***ing reason) but you're letting that passion blind you. Just because you feel that PVE shouldn't be in the game doesn't mean it shouldn't. PVE will have no effect on your PVP. but it CAN effect the game ability to stay afloat. Look at EVE, the game has killer PVP (only game that ever managed to get my heart pumping in PVP). do you think it would have lasted that long with PVP alone?
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 169	Posted - 2013.03.02 13:50:00 - [146] - Quote First Eve, and now Dust. Two aspects of a game where I don't feel completely useless coming in as a beginner/less skilled player even against vet players. The reason I hated PvP in other games was because of how little experience difference it took to make the less XPed player completely helpless in the face of those more experienced. That said, the rest of my opinion is two posts up.
Cal Predine StarKnight Security 37	Posted - 2013.03.02 13:59:00 - [147] - Quote Come on guys, play nice... It's a very Eve things to complain bitterly about every game change which doesn't fluff your own personal gameplay style, and personally I'd rather see that stay in eve (since I don't think we'll see it die out there.). So here's the thing - don't like the idea for "New gameplay mode A"? Post a mature and intelligent note on the forums saying "yeah, that's great and all, but it's not for me - how about making sure it remains optional?" Then don't play that mode. See how I did that? Easy, it gives the Devs some useful feedback, and it doesn't tread on the toes of those that do want to see other types of gameplay. It's a big enough sandbox for everyone. Sheesh.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 19	Posted - 2013.03.02 14:25:00 - [148] - Quote Stop feeding the troll guys...
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 74	Posted - 2013.03.15 11:27:00 - [149] - Quote Yeah, but he's so hungry! Personally, the majority of my reasons and thoughts (as well as many others) on PvE are here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49714&find=unread However, I would add that the most successful corps in Eve Online fully employ both play-styles. Being completely combat-oriented may work great in a small, organized crew. But to create something like empires in this MMO there needs to be a much higher social/meta challenge coupled with the fact that it must be sustained through vigilance. This will include planners, leadership, logistics, and many other non-combat roles. Many corp leaders now spend the majority of their time organizing rather than "gunnin down ta nubs". As such, I will return to what Bassmeant's point as he's right, this is that game that finally rises above the others. However, this is not simply because you have more options and battlefields (or even better "clan" support). The thing that makes this game different is it's urge for unity among diversity of players and their gameplay alike. Greater things will demand lot's of people with lot's of different skills...if that means you have to round up some middle school CoD players and put them in slave/citizen corps to go off and PvE for your corp...then so be it. Tax them, teach them, and you may be surprised to find that people grow in a persistent game. If not, send them our way (D-Uni) and we'll get them groomed for combat, eh?
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 20	Posted - 2013.03.15 13:40:00 - [150] - Quote Nevermind



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