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Crm234
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:09:00 -
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Im not a big fan of the Player vs Environment either part of this betas development. For the fact it will distract CCP resources from the Player vs Player battlefield itself. I know that it will be in the game , but hope it doesn't give SP at all. No one is going to respect a Merc in command or think they are a competitive player if your only experience is shooting drones. You can reply well you don't have to do it , there is a option but who is going to suffer through PvP if they can coast on Pve.
Also no one will take dust serious as a competitive shooter if its majority play is Pve.Dont get me wrong I have nothing against Pve play and do enjoy it time to time on the holidays with friends and family on a FPS. In addition it wont effect eve at all , once again distancing itself from dust`s major selling point a FPS that is connected and effects a MMORPG.
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:17:00 -
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Please do not use a different genre to counter my point , since you went right for Eve a MMORPG the answer is no you do not know any FPS that uses Pve and is considered competitive. If this was a RPG beta then your argument would be sound and i say your right no ifs or buts about it.
Also I don't hate Pve , I just don't think you should earn SP from it . Play it all day and enjoy it with friends all day but SP should only be earned during matches with out players only to tell players yes dust can compete as a competitive shooter and not just a major Co op game. |
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:50:00 -
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Zombies doesn't effect the other game mode upgrades I believe supporting my point. It's competitive only for bragging rights only and I love zombies in cod . in fact if someone has it will be playing bo2 zombies over the break depending on if someone else owns it. |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:25:00 -
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Yes the genre matters or there wouldn't be a genre in the first place and CCP said it in their own words we are trying to create a FPS because we felt creating another Eve was not the best thing for a new frontier.
If they put passive SP in , this game will be the laffing stock of the FPS community . A game that rewards you for not playing it as Yahtzee puts it is a huge mistake. I understand you like it in Eve but stop trying to recreate Eve with different avatars. If all you do is scream Eve to PS3 players it goes in one ear and out the other because no one cares about Eve. Only dust is the main concern of PS3 players and that has been called a FPS.
If you dont like PvP , why are you even in a beta that wants to have galaxy conquering as a major factor of gameplay. Do you think your going to take over a planet by never fighting another player?
SP is a major factor in Dust and if you dont keep it tied to PvP matches you run the risk of FPS players finding that SP is more of a time waster then a Progression through Dust. Like I said before why would you play Pvp and lose fittings plus kdr at a faster rate then just coasting through Pve. All it will do is make a RPG where you Pve till you get all your skills then clan up and do raids defeating the purpose of a FPS.
I would never go to a RPG forum and complain this game is turned base. Or Rant about a RTS and say all we do is harvest materials and build units that auto shoot enemies. |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 06:40:00 -
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I had to delete my post because i felt it was to brutal honest and would only hurt me .I do fear the Devs notice of opposition to Dust and also I have no clue how to completely remove the post so just edited it , You can only bend a metal so much before there is no turning back and i rather not do that today. |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 15:16:00 -
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It is still very alarming to me how many people are so upset if they don't get sp from co op. as well as how many people in a mmofps according to ccp don't want a mmofps or fight against players. It really feels like its the blind leading the blind. In this development. Is there any balance to a proper testing player base. Not even the Star Wars empire cod allows you to skill up in co op and use those weapons in pvp . |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 15:41:00 -
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To only you maybe , but I have made very clear arguements that have been supported by others. I'm never going to convince you because i bet you don't like competitive fps games obviously and don't care if it screws it up either . Just because you can doesn't mean you should. A piercing is cool and unique but 30 piercings is seen as bad. |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 16:18:00 -
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Smaller system? I didn't buy bf3 because of the beta . No that is not why and you know it. Your just trying to goat me into swearing at you and I'm not. Sp in co op will hugely effect pvp that your staying who cares about .its different to and I want it because I don't like shooters statement. If your such a fan of pvp then it doesn't matter your only getting isk from co op because its a side mission from the main part of dust. |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 16:49:00 -
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I have explained why in previous posts and you have just blur through them and focused on this person obviously must be a troll because he disagrees with something in dusts planning defensive attitude. Even though he has stayed on topic, given reasoning that has been supported by others, and used a reference of a very successful game as well as post a rebuttal question have you seen it done in another game no. It really comes down to FPS players dont feel that co op is a proper grind of progression and maybe you haven't but I have heard tons of conversations through the years that go like this. Im great at insert FPS i beat it on ultra hard and take out 20 bots at one time and the reply to that is always who cares get back to me when you can do it against other players online. Im not going to post anymore over this and if co op is the main focus im sure a lot of people aren't going to continue in dust. |
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:47:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:We, the undersigned, believe that while PvE will be a necessary element of Dust 514, and that many players may focus primarily or exclusively on that PvE content, CCP should observe two core principles when creating the PvE experience...
First, the implementation of PvE content should not be done at the expense of the development of the PvP game.
Second, it should not be possible for players to use PvE play to gain a significant advantage over players who focus only on PvP.
That was a great Recap thank you, because this is a important factor and i really don't want it to de evolve into not talking about the impact and get locked. |
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Posted - 2012.12.17 20:27:00 -
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Just imagine if that type of thinking was applied to the creation of world of warcraft because blizzard is really crying over that it took its RTS game and transformed it into a different genre . Im sure there was people like you screaming if was in the RTS game is should be in the RPG exactly the same way line drawn into the sand.
Once again i didnt tell them to build a FPS and didn't tell them to classify it as a MMOFPS. All you can do now is build the best one. If Pve,Crafting, politics, UN balanced game play, duel type agree upon battles is what you hunger for play Eve.
It wasn't the connection that made me go nuts about Dust , it was the fact a game developer finally got the idea that to make a great game you needed two different games. Two different genres require two different types of game play and progression if you cant let go of the RPG game play and way of thinking you will end up making a horrible FPS and vice versa in development of a RPG. No one is on the Eve forums screaming we need kill streaks and get rid of the turn base combat it should be in Eve because its a RPG. The fact that dust has eve for lore is a great thing and now the developers don't have to make a Smartphone type game that does a little of everything but masters non of it. Dust can shine if you throw off the RPG shackles and let it do what it has to do on a PS3 instead of bogging it down with stuff already in Eve.
It happens in the same genre to , Bf3 failed in my eyes because the bad company 2 players started the same crap because they couldn't let go of bad company 2. Also Red alert was amazing even though it had no mention of GDI or Nod and allow a whole new story even though they had the same name command and conquered in the title.
Every time CCP puts in a new RPG element into this development it makes me a FPS players that has played FPS games for over 8 years take a step back and see what is in the up coming FPS list of 2012 . Im sure im not alone , just not everyone is as vocal as i am and I beta for Eve itself and never made one post because it was what it said it was a MMORPG. |
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:22:00 -
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Rf you have commented to a bunch of my post in this thread for 2 pages now, you know what i said or your just hitting the quote button for the sake of it. The turn base comment is for the fact that Turn base combat is a core mechanic of RPG`s and not FPS games and would be ludicrous for anyone to complain on that in a RPG development just like Pve progression in a MMOFPS is ludicrous and breaking the core FPS mechanic. Just like there is a RPG grind there is a FPS grind that is expected of the players. RPG players do missions for SP and FPS players kill others for SP.
What this whole thread is about is to remove Pve or as I said just have it give you ISK. I know firefall exist but to be honest I don't think anyone is taking that game serious as the planet conquering system needs to be in Dust.
No passive SP
No SP from Co op Pve that leads to weapon upgrades in Pvp Or you will just get the average RPG progression no matter the different skill point progression. Everyone will just Pve because they will die less till they have high SP upgrades and clan up and go Raid.
if you mess with the progression of this game you will completely offset the player base. Its time for Eve players to compromise once and adapt to the FPS style. |
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Posted - 2012.12.18 05:46:00 -
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I played Eve during the beta for a while , before Everquest 2 launched , I didn't see anything special in that was different from Ever quest 2 at the time and my family were all going to play Everquest 2 .Like every other MMORPG you hit A and then a Random hit generator starts where spread sheet number hits or misses them and then the npc character spread sheet number hits you . Some fake laser beams that are just there for pure show go back and forth. With sometimes hitting Alt F4 for some kind of power up in till one of you is dead like a revolutionary war type situation. That is how every core RPG game mechanic whether you bend it or not and tweak it. The only thing that has changed from dungeons and dragons is the computer random generator versus rolling dice.
Ill be happy to admit i dont very much care for MMORPG thats why I dont play Eve or Wow, or Everquest. I never really liked the slow pace gameplay and waiting around in guilds or corps as they call them in Eve for raids. Even the Pvp servers weren't really Pvp.
Gotta love that mature Eve player base, I cant be as vicious as you when i reply because no one ever gets banned for liking the game to much. Why don't you take a trip out of the CCP forum walls and check out other views of this game before trying to always find faults in everything I say in the feedback section of a beta.
Your probable right SP will be in Pve in Dust, but we know we cant stop CCP from doing it. All we can do is show doubt in the system and help them for see a future exploit before rather then after.
Some one said the build is tomorrow and im very happy to hear that as you must be to. So lets just agree about that. |
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:41:00 -
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I get it you play Eve, All you want to do is play Eve with a different camera angle. Even though CCP said were actually going as far as possible away from Eve players for its third released game for a new player base. You still went out your way to buy PS3`s on its last leg and flooded into this beta to re create Eve. If you cant let go of we need to re create Eve you will lose everyone who doesn't play Eve
Any problem brought up in this forum basic reply from Eve player
Problem insert
Its a beta , its not finished but you want everything to stay the same but more stuff added on to it.
Maybe this is to complex for you and you should find a simplier game when in fact you don't want to have a proper FPS because its to hard for you and your not good at something.
Zion and Betamax that I find is funny since it failed the format wars in the 80`s. come in and just either pull out the magnify glass on your statement and spew rules from the scripture of Eve.
we don't want another generic shooter that is funny because they don't want a shooter at all . Yes only I make sweeping comments because there is no other game besides COD in the FPS genre and even when we acknowledge another there is no differences from COD so its basically COD to us.
Dont worry CCP got your back and will do what you want Eve players.Dust will be known as Eve 2.0 to the PS3 community because of its inability to let go but screaming were making something different, You better hope Planetside 2 doesn't come to the PS4 or your dead in the water because right now you think you can do no wrong because there is no other game saying MMOFPS.
I dont have to let go as a FPS player im not looking for a new playerbase to complement my old one. Every FPS player saw Dust as a Massive Pvp game and waited a year to get into the beta and now Eve players want drones so were getting drones completely saying go screw yourself FPS players once again. I rather play a Ea game sometimes because at least you know where you stand with them,they dont care about you.
Oh someone pointed out the small sub genre of action RPG`s that once again is not what Dust is classified as. Once again someone didn't read previous post that would be pretty helpful in 4 page thread instead just reading the main title and replying the same rebuttal that was reply to by the last ten guys that asked your same question, Also you missed kingdom of hearts that I like to , just for that 11th guy that asked the same question as a rebuttal.
Im tired of replying to insults and quotes if you don't want me to speak stop quoting me just answer the I want Pve in Eve without quoting and insulting me in the thread |
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:14:00 -
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Why are you arguing with a 2.5 month old thread post??? What you should be more worried about is that nothing has changed in Dust in 2.5 months. You know there is a problem when even the Die hard Corps are kinda threw their hands up as well with CCP`s decisions and updates. Plus how am I supposed to rebut your total imaginary part of Dust at the moment because I have played Ambush + Skirmish since August 2012 and yet to see that aspect of the game. |
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:24:00 -
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Your getting PVE and we have passive SP the thread is useless, Now when is the biggest question, all this thread is doing is pounding the sand where the dead horse used to be. |
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