About repper's 'better repper, less WP' -problem:


If WP's are awarded after each rep cycle, there's a simple and elegant solution:
Make better reppers have faster cycle time.

+ Higher meta reppers are better because of faster repair
+ In combat situation, Logi gets more WP directly proportional to the repper being faster.
+ In peaceful situation with only set amount to rep, WP gain is the same (less chances of exploit)

+ No need to tweak values of rep
+ Very simple to code

This gets my vote totally.

On the issue of repairing yourself though, I don't see an issue at all. Pretty much every game I've played support in allowed you to heal yourself as a secondary fire. I mean wouldn't it be pretty dumb to carry a repair tool yet not be able to use it on yourself?

Just be sure that the player doesn't gain SP for self repairing and it's all good.

Sorry, I've just been using the militia one to save in ISK. If I get around to trying it I'll let you know.

Short version for Xiree:

PROBLEM:
You get points for a set time of healing, not the amount you heal.
Better healing gear means you heal more in a set amount of time.
Thus, they get healed faster and you get less points because you can't heal them as long.

POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS:
Make the point reward base on amount healed or % of amount healed. Bad solution, needs more programming.
Make the better healing gear give you points faster than the crappy gear. Can do it by arbitrarily telling it to (per cycle) or can make them do it faster (have shorter cycles).

PS: He said all this in his first post.

I would like to see repairing yourself brought back as an option when you are not targeting anyone. Sure, take away the SP/WP gain - but it just makes me more of a threat on the battlefield - it is a small but worthwhile advantage for carrying that thing around.

Quick (related) question for the LogiBros here assembled.

It's a two parter
1) Has anyone gotten to test the armor repair Nano Hives in Codex? (If so are they working?)
2) If they are in fact repairing properly, do said repairs award War Points (and if so at what rate?)

Only on proto gear, it should be a perk of proto tools.

1. They work fine but repairs kill them quick.
2. WP are rewarded for resupply only.

I just basically summarized the entire conversation.

CCP Wolfman>'We're currently looking into a hotfix to stop boosting and strike spamming to temporarily stop this behavior until more pernament solution can be applied via new build. Updates will be made once we have something concrete as we explor posisble hotfix options and capabilities.

CCP Wolfman> Also Tactial Assault Rifles are getting fixed. '

CCP Wolfman > We're looking into removing AV mines.

Discussed Hotfixes possible options but not limted to:

0'ing out all point gains from repair and remote modules.
0'ing out all point gains for repairfnig vehicles.
Bumpering Up vehicles to make them harder to damage with collision.

Long Term Build Fixes Discussed but not limtied to:

Yellow Zones where players cannot earn SP in. (current red zone where enemies cant enter but you can)
Re-adjusting squad WP mechanics.
Balance out WP gains for various tasks.
Tracked HP values (IE damage caused by collisions cannot be repaired or scored.)
Moving Strikes into Assist count kills only
Giving the Barge Limited Ammo

This may also be a good time to suggest your own fixes, remember hot fix is number tweaks only. Build fix can get a bit more creative though.

This is pretty close to what I propose in the OP, the one aspect you're overlooking is that currently higher level reppers heal more per cycle than lower Meta ones so unless that aspect is changed s

My point was exactly to change that all reppers have same rep amount but cycle decreases as meta level gets better.
Should be simple.

My point was exactly to change that all reppers have same rep amount but cycle decreases as meta level gets better.
Should be simple.

"Update: We've already made some changes on how the repairing mechanism works, and all logistical rewards will encourage players to be more in the midst of battle."

I wonder what this means specifically. You guys might find it interesting https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=361530#post361530

We also plan to implement a cool down timer on how often WP can be earned.

Good read Cross. I like your solution to the Repair Tool problem. I currently use the Triage Repair Tool anyway since it heals my team much quicker to keep us in the thick of things. Plus the quicker I heal them the quicker i can get back to gunning the enmey down. On that note though.

Do you think it would be appropriate for CCP to adapt that mechanic (High Meta Level = More WP Gained Per Cycle) to other peices of equipments like NanoHive's and Nanite Injectors?

In repsonse to the fact that Armor Repair Nanohives effectively net you less WP despite the ISK you paid i have a few random suggestions i'd like your opinion on:

Timed Hives - Nanohives opperate based on a timer instead of just sitting around and reward a flat rate of SP while at least one Member of your team stands inside it (excluding you.) An example would be that you drop the hive it lasts for 15 seconds (random number) and it rewards you 5 WP for every second it's active and a player is inside it. Max Potential Gain = 70 WP/ Minimum Potential Gain = 0 WP. High Meta levels could breed longer lasting Hives for more potential WP gain.

Pluse Hives - Nanohives that opperate awarding you points everytime a Player is given ANY kind of bonus and gives said bonuses in a set order. Such as a Nanohive that is designated by the system to restore Armor first and THEN ammo or Ammo First and THEN armor. I'm not sure if i'm explaining it well. When a player walks into a Nanohive they're hit with a burst of light. That burst, or pulse, gives them ammo, which rewards the person that placed the Hive. Current Hives give you Ammo and Armor at the same time. This would, however, give you a designated bonus first, and then the secondary bonus. Your character would be awarded say 5 WP for every pulse it took to restock/repair them. High Meta Level = More and Quicker Pulses.

Seperate Hives - Nanohives would work much in the same way as they do now. Only sperate Ammo Restock Hives from Armor Repair Hives alltogether.

Thoughts?

Keep the faith.

If you feel that then entire point of Logistics is to Grind Warpoints then keep pushing for change. At the moment you get wp for performing an action regardless of what price you paid for your tools in the market for it. I wouldn't have it any other way

The point is that by using the cheaper gear you actually get more WP. Militia Rep will take more cycles to bring full armor, more cycles means more WP, hence incentivizing the use of cheaper gear.

I've added bold to the quote above on the key area.

To set this out in terms that those who don't run Logi can understand, picture this.
You spend your Skill Points into gun skills, you invest heavily in the Assault Rifle path, and bam you get kills faster... reducing the number of War Points you earn for kills/assists

...doesn't make much sense, does it?

Also having the milita gear grant a higher WP return over the Proto gear means that it incentivises farming over legit play.
I've been saying that since last build, and this build the farming got so bad that they turned off all WP on the Rep Tool.
Now that's a hotfix and I support CCP putting a stop to the farming, but it's time to move beyond and hotfix and address the original problem which is that the WP awards system for Logi is scaled improperly, it's cost v benefit rewards more WP to the milita gear while costing less in both ISK and SP.