I like the idea of -10 points for every revive after the first, on the same merc in a set time, till zero.

That works for that scenario but who will it determine who you are rezzing? If I taking off -10 for constant rezzing, whattells it thatthe guy dead beside you isn't you? Just asking cause I don't want a enemy to kill my whole squad, me kill him, then I don't get proper wp for picking them up.

If I revive the same merc three times in under a minute ( or whatever amount of time) then it would drop by 10 each revive after the first. This system would discourage farming revive points and promote more team play by decreasing the points made to zero for "bad" revives. If a logi or any other mercs revives me and I get shot back down then they should lay down cover fire before trying to revive me again or be penalized by decreasing points for ugly play.

I like the idea of -10 points for every revive after the first, on the same merc in a set time, till zero.

OK here I go again. The repair tool is starting to stick out to me as a problem more than any other piece of gear. The UL either allow more active at once, more carried, more spawns per or faster spawns. Everyone of the "upgrades" allow for more points to be made faster when compared to lower tier items. The injectors repair more armor per level and thus the merc that is revived doesn't need a rep allowing you to move on to another target ( 1 rep = 50 and two cycles = 50) and make more points than they would have ( based on time spend performing the actions) if lower tier injectors were used. In the same amount of time it takes me to revive one merc and then rep 2 cycles ( about 150 HP) that equals about 100 WPs I can revive three mercs with no reps to almost full armor or whatever the proto injector repairs and make 150 WPs. Nano hives are in the same category as uplinks. The better the hive the longer it supplies or it supplies more or supplies faster.

This thread has been very fun. I like complex topics in games that make me forget about RL.

Again, it is hard to convey passion or seriousness in these posts and I don't want to come off as a douche. I am only bringing things to light that I think are valid arguments. I am not saying I am correct as much I am asking for feedback on my views of the topic. This has been my favorite thread so far because it has not degraded into name calling and trolling.

Cross,

I just wanted to say that I'd be hard pressed to recall a single post of yours that I didn't like. You speak with the voice of reason and reading your posts is always a pleasure.

Sincerely,
The guy up on the hills that pisses off both red and blue dots =/

The definition of boosting from the Urban Dictionary (Online) is
"In multi-player games, having other people assist you in getting leaderboard position or achievements (xbox 360 specific) by having other people help you in ways that go counter to the game's design. Most often done with one team throwing the game to another."

To apply that to DUST 514 the game modes we have now have two win conditions: killing off all the other teams clones or destroying the other teams MCC. If what a player does doesn't contribute to those goals and they are accruing entirely personal benefit (War Points, Skill Points, Kill/Death Ration, etc) then the player is boosting.

If the player is just fooling around -- say blasting around in a LAV -- then they are not really boosting, they are just playing a different game. Since much of EVE (and DUST 514 by extension) is a meta-game outside the formal win conditions there are real complications with defining boosting. But even with all that, I think we can live with the more limited definition above.

So if the "solution" limits the amount of boosting under that definition it will be successful.

A couple of points clarifying/reinforcing earlier posts...

I was not suggesting that any death or damage produces negative WP. I only wanted damage a player does to himself, to a team member, to a friendly installation or to friendly vehicles to have negative WP.

I'm an advocate of fine-grained rewards. We already have them with hacking so I don't believe CCP has a philosophical disagreement with them. Do more damage, get more rewards. Fix more damage, get more rewards.

I have a lot of sympathy for the idea that this is a solution looking for a problem. I agree that in corporate games none of this will make much difference. The thing we don't know is how much weight CCP will put on managing boosting in more casual game environments.

Agreed with your first, Xiree thank you for being mature and actually asking rather than trolling (just in case it wasn't clear before what I thought).


Good point on the WP/SP, I didn't want to include SP directly since the mechanic is unknown but using both makes sense, I think I'll update the language in the OP when I get a bit.


Regarding Repper Overheating

This is an interesting idea, I'm going to give it more thought and post back again but here are my initial thoughts.

• Could add a skill to reduce the Overheat effect, at level 5 with Proto tool could run continuously. Drawback is even more stuff for LogiBros to spend SP on the pro of this; 1) Rewards use of high Meta gear and investing Logi skills. 2) raises the required investment for farming behavior (hopefully mitigating farming).
• Implementation doesn't seem resource intensive, could likely use the overheat mechanic for LAV guns and fine tune from there.
• Overheating seems compatible with the ideas in the OP

More to come later

Cheers,
Cross

Now that Uprising is only a matter of days before live launch I have to ask, are we really going to see such a fundamental issue included in the live build of the game despite it's being pointed out repeatedly and in many threads since Closed Beta?

I understand there's a lot to work on but going from closed beta to live release with this problem being discussed and not even having it commented on by CCP... that just feels off to me.