Thanks for such admirably patient posting. A reply to this thread is long overdue, but here goes.

First off, I think the concept behind having higher WP rewards from using more expensive gear (and thus putting more ISK at at risk) is great and in line with our philosophy. We have looked into ways of making the WP rewards for support roles scale with the level of equipment you are using, but unfortunately it has turned out not to doable without some further development effort on the WP rewards system itself. That said, it's something we definitely interested in doing. Having high level weaponry makes you better at earning WP, as your killing potential is improved. Having high level equipment make you better at earning WP would only make sense.

Some historical musings about repair rewards specifically:

In Chromosome, the repair rewards were changed from the old cyclical system. We replaced that with two new rewards:

Guardian - 35 WP - You're actively repairing a player who kills a target
Triage - 25 WP - You repair someone who has taken damage within the last 60 seconds

The primary reason for switching from the old cyclical rewards to the above was exploitation -- with the old system, we saw players coming up with all sorts of cunning schemes for racking up record amounts of WP in record times. The new rewards are more difficult to exploit, as obtaining them requires interaction between the teams (and by interaction, I mean shooting the other team in the faceplate). As you would have to coordinate with players on both teams to exploit this (something that shouldn't be easy in e.g. instant battles), they should be more robust against exploitation. With the new rewards we also added a (tweakable) cooldown to how often you could earn rewards to have a fall back in case someone found a clever new way to game the system.

The new rewards are compatible with scaling based on the quality of equipment used and it's just a question of investing us finding some development time to make the WP reward system support it.

In the meantime, we'd love to hear your feedback on how the repair rewards are performing to make adjustments if necessary. Do you feel that the reward levels reasonable? Do you feel that reward experience you get consistent (i.e. do you get rewards when you expect to get them)?

To be honest, and logis won't like this, I feel that rep tools should get 10 to 15 pts per like scanners and nanohives. They should not be racking up dbl orbitals by themselves, or riding the top of the leaderboards going 1/8 w/4500 wp's just because they put their hand in the proto heavies pocket?! That's explotation in itself. I run logi too, but i just drop hives, uplinks, and run a scanner. I believe the equipment slot is primary, and the weapon slot secondary. But you still should have to fire you weapon. Good logis support by repair, intel, revive, and firepower! The goal is to make the game teamwork oriented not "I got 5,000 wp's, but my team got slaughtered?!" Everything in this game that is rewarding should be hard work. The shields and armor sacrifice for logis is perfect. It makes you better in tactics to support the team, and stay alive. I would go so far as to say that logis an anti armor players have better stick skills than snipers and assault players. It's the risk in those jobs, and the speed required to do them makes you sacrifice armor protection. And when will anti armor truly become a class? It just an assault suit with a swarm launcher equiped?! New thread coming soon.

To be honest, and logis won't like this, I feel that rep tools should get 10 to 15 pts per like scanners and nanohives. They should not be racking up dbl orbitals by themselves or riding the top of the leaderboards going 1/8 w/4500 wp's

"I got 5,000 wp's, but my team got slaughtered?!" Everything in this game that is rewarding should be hard work.

The shields and armor sacrifice for logis is perfect. It makes you better in tactics to support the team, and stay alive. I would go so far as to say that logis an anti armor players have better stick skills than snipers and assault players. It's the risk in those jobs, and the speed required to do them makes you sacrifice armor protection. And when will anti armor truly become a class? It just an assault suit with a swarm launcher equiped?! New thread coming soon.

Thanks for such admirably patient posting. A reply to this thread is long overdue, but here goes.

First off, I think the concept behind having higher WP rewards from using more expensive gear (and thus putting more ISK at at risk) is great and in line with our philosophy. We have looked into ways of making the WP rewards for support roles scale with the level of equipment you are using, but unfortunately it has turned out not to doable without some further development effort on the WP rewards system itself. That said, it's something we definitely interested in doing. Having high level weaponry makes you better at earning WP, as your killing potential is improved. Having high level equipment make you better at earning WP would only make sense.

Some historical musings about repair rewards specifically:

In Chromosome, the repair rewards were changed from the old cyclical system. We replaced that with two new rewards:

Guardian - 35 WP - You're actively repairing a player who kills a target
Triage - 25 WP - You repair someone who has taken damage within the last 60 seconds

The primary reason for switching from the old cyclical rewards to the above was exploitation -- with the old system, we saw players coming up with all sorts of cunning schemes for racking up record amounts of WP in record times. The new rewards are more difficult to exploit, as obtaining them requires interaction between the teams (and by interaction, I mean shooting the other team in the faceplate). As you would have to coordinate with players on both teams to exploit this (something that shouldn't be easy in e.g. instant battles), they should be more robust against exploitation. With the new rewards we also added a (tweakable) cooldown to how often you could earn rewards to have a fall back in case someone found a clever new way to game the system.

The new rewards are compatible with scaling based on the quality of equipment used and it's just a question of investing us finding some development time to make the WP reward system support it.

In the meantime, we'd love to hear your feedback on how the repair rewards are performing to make adjustments if necessary. Do you feel that the reward levels reasonable? Do you feel that reward experience you get consistent (i.e. do you get rewards when you expect to get them)?

we should get wp for mobile cru's spawns

heres an idea for making needles better wp wise- give them warpoints based on the % armor hp they restore-i.e. 50% restore=50 wp, 100% restore=100 wp's

Thought I had deja vu and then I realized this is the exact same thread from back in the day. I still can't believe that we've been asking for this crap for 2 goddamn years and CCP still hasn't done a single thing about it. FFS.

Reiterating that if CCP moves ahead with racial binding of equipment use (via racial skill buffs making certain equipments optimal use tied exclusively to one race) that having improper scaling on some parts of the equipment line will not only continue to cause distortion but that such distortions will be magnified under the proposed 1.8 system.

Further feedback from CCP regarding steps being taken to correct this, and their proposed eta for implementation, would be valuable at this point.

Cheers,
Cross

why is that a problem?

+1

Thanks for such admirably patient posting. A reply to this thread is long overdue, but here goes.

First off, I think the concept behind having higher WP rewards from using more expensive gear (and thus putting more ISK at at risk) is great and in line with our philosophy. We have looked into ways of making the WP rewards for support roles scale with the level of equipment you are using, but unfortunately it has turned out not to doable without some further development effort on the WP rewards system itself. That said, it's something we definitely interested in doing. Having high level weaponry makes you better at earning WP, as your killing potential is improved. Having high level equipment make you better at earning WP would only make sense.

Some historical musings about repair rewards specifically:

In Chromosome, the repair rewards were changed from the old cyclical system. We replaced that with two new rewards:

Guardian - 35 WP - You're actively repairing a player who kills a target
Triage - 25 WP - You repair someone who has taken damage within the last 60 seconds

The primary reason for switching from the old cyclical rewards to the above was exploitation -- with the old system, we saw players coming up with all sorts of cunning schemes for racking up record amounts of WP in record times. The new rewards are more difficult to exploit, as obtaining them requires interaction between the teams (and by interaction, I mean shooting the other team in the faceplate). As you would have to coordinate with players on both teams to exploit this (something that shouldn't be easy in e.g. instant battles), they should be more robust against exploitation. With the new rewards we also added a (tweakable) cooldown to how often you could earn rewards to have a fall back in case someone found a clever new way to game the system.

The new rewards are compatible with scaling based on the quality of equipment used and it's just a question of investing us finding some development time to make the WP reward system support it.

In the meantime, we'd love to hear your feedback on how the repair rewards are performing to make adjustments if necessary. Do you feel that the reward levels reasonable? Do you feel that reward experience you get consistent (i.e. do you get rewards when you expect to get them)?

wait are you saying you want to make proto stomper the only winners?
im wounded CCP just leave it at if you kill a more advanced gear you get more points not "HAHA im a proto not only can I chrush you utterly I also get more points for stopming on you again and again! fun right? YAH!"

you will just make it even harder for new players to move forward

I forgot about this old thing. What is the topic and I will try to add.

The TL;DR is as follows.

Equipment currently does not properly scale it's risk vs reward. Both the scaling between equipment types and within many of the equipment lines is distorted in such a way that it incentiveizes the use of low meta gear by giving higher potential rewards to the lower meta gear.

Suggested fix amounts to; scale equipment so that it's methodology is in line with that of the AR/other light weapons.

For more details feel free to ask, I just figured a summation would give a bitter place to start at this point

Cheers,
Cross