Tawkis Tawharr
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.21 03:56:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
Are you saying that you can create custom voice channels and talk in corp/alliance chat for free when you're in the same system? Because you'd be wrong.
Very true, however this doesn't automatically make the system bad. Unless I'm very mistaken, the CCP provided chat is equal to most other PS3 shooters. Lobby, squad and match chat.
Umallon Macross wrote: MY point is that no one will use UVTs because they are too expensive, and when you want to talk to someone using Teamspeak or Ventrilo you will have to use those also, with the advantage that the organiser of the channel pays for everyone, instead of everyone paying for themselves.
I tend the agree that the price point FEELS high. To be fair we also have no idea how much this costs to implement. As much as we would like to pretend otherwise, if the design and support costs are high enough the price may need to be at this level. CCP cannot lower the price to where the service will lose money in the long run. Better to sink the cost and keep numbers low to lessen the incremental costs... or kill the UVT all together.
I also agree that this should be implemented corporation wide. While I don't feel that CCP should feel obligated to give premium chat away for free, I do feel that selling chat servers in increments of 5, 10, 50, 100 would be the best way to go.
The offering would seem to make a lot more sense to me in that format.
Umallon Macross wrote:
Because of this mismanagement, it will be more difficult for players in DUST and EVE to communicate than it needs to be, out of sheer greed as they are charging 10x more for this service than it is worth.
Calling this pure greed without knowledge of the backend costs is pure speculation. If we want the service to improve we should probably leave the Ad hominem attacks at the door. I'm also not sure mismanagement is the right word, to my knowledge CCP is asking you to pay for features above and beyond what is currently available on the platform.
Umallon Macross wrote:
Serious DUST players are already turning to alternatives for communications, and CCP will have to play catch up if they want those users back using in-game communication. The more people that go external, the harder it will be for new players to communicate, and therefore harder to get into the game, and therefore less repeat custom and aurum sales.
Speculative and over generalized, but I will of course concede the possibility. I would need to see evidence beyond Beta forum rage to agree on a broader scale.
Umallon Macross wrote:It is in the best interests of CCP to make communications of all kinds in the EVE and DUST universe as smooth and cheap as possible, because these are both games about communications. By fracturing the means by which players communicate CCP are fracturing the games.
Smooth yes
Cheap: Only in so far as the communication is not a running loss. I tend to think just giving hundreds of thousands ( possibly) of players the massive bandwidth you're asking for seems to be a very expensive proposition.
For the average PS3 player setting up a 3rd party chat simply won't be worth it. MY PC is in the same room, and it a PITA I just don't want to do.
If I'm honest, in concept I don't see anything wrong with this. I think the individual targeting in not the way to go.
What I would like to see:
UVT:
Sell UVT on a user cap system, 10, 20 etc
Limit the "rooms" based on allowable users. If you have room for 5 people do you REALLY need more than one room?
Chat servers may be tied to individual players or corporations.
Pricing probably needs to be figured out.
To CCP's credit this is NOT Monaclegate. Every single AUR you may or may not have you will get back.
That's my 2 CDN cents... because Iceland will be using our currency soon.
I expect EVE Online to reflect this accordingly.
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Tawkis Tawharr
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.21 13:25:00 -
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Equal is perfectly acceptable. Under an F2P model premium services are charged. We don't have to like it, at all. I would like full chat to be free too. Someone has to foot the bill and there are no subscriptions to swallow the cost.
I was referring to cost in terms of CCP's development, otherwise I would have said price. As I said, the price feels ( is ) high. Unless you have knowledge of CCP's inner workings you do not know the cost.
Not being available out of game will be the biggest draw-back of this service, agreed.... aside from price.
EVE is run on a PC, I can download ventrilo/TS with zero problem and log into a chat server. Unless I'm mistaken, it is significantly harder to install a 3rd party chat on PS3. If you try to tell someone they need to spend 2-3 hours installing a 3rd party chat to play with you on PS3 they'll probably laugh.
Communication is worth running at a loss if and only if the cost of that loss can be made up in other areas. If every other AUR item has to increase by 500% then it probably wouldn't be worth running at a loss. The other sales would drop too much.
Don't get me wrong, if I could fire up Ventrilo on my PS3 I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'd probably pay to support my corps server. TS and Ventrilo are excellent.
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Tawkis Tawharr
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.08.22 03:35:00 -
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Umallon Macross wrote:
They will laugh. Then they will attempt to join a corp, who will knock them back, not from lack of skill, or wrong skillset, but because they aren't willing to use teamspeak.
I think on most points we need to agree to disagree, we're actually not THAT far apart.
Is there a way for me to easily boot up either Teamspeak or Ventrilo on my PS3.
If yes, you may very well be right on the quoted.
If the answer is no, then I will submit that it won't matter what the few demand. They will be crushed under the tide of the majority.
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