The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

Doesn't mean it isn't better than the ScR.

The only advantage that ScR has over TacAR is charge shot, a more predictable recoil pattern, and a few more meters of range.

Literally everything is better on TacARs... Everything.
Damage/DPS.
Damage per Mag.
Fitting Costs.
Better hipfire accuracy.
No heat.
Less Recoil.
Better Damage profile.
Doesn't need Amassault to be competitive.

All good on paper but SCR is better. It's more effective in every way down sights. Better range, dispersion, and much better recoil. Hipfiring with Gallente Assault, TAR is better, but you don't use a rangey gun if it's not good down sight. Also the scope is too small and zooms farther than the TAR's range.

How so?
The Tac has a tighter hipfire, more damage per shot, and effectively more rounds in the mag. They both have identical RoF...
Stick to shooting, ReG.

I have you ever used the TAR in CQC?

It is preposterous that we're actually having this debate.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off

Anyway, to stay on topic.

These where three quick videos i was able to make yesterday. Two vs Regular basic and advanced players. And another one against more experienced players.

Viziam vs Basic and Adv players #1
Viziam vs Basic and Adv players #2
Viziam vs Proto players

I had another one against proto players but that one had the audio not synced with what was happening. Ill try to re upload it later.

So yeah after trying it out a few matches it does not look pretty. My Tac AR diffidently takes more out of me when i use it.

Thank you sir for this explanation! Please continue towards your grand design. Time has shown that I needed only to place more faith in you lol.

Everything is in caps, I assume you play on a monitor?

Maybe if there was a CR that deadly then maybe amarr sentinels wouldn't be so popular in PC

Everything is in caps, I assume you play on a monitor?

Maybe if there was an anit-armour rifle that deadly then maybe amarr sentinels wouldn't be so popular in PC

A semi-auto CR? I'd want one

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

Doesn't mean it isn't better than the ScR.

The only advantage that ScR has over TacAR is charge shot, a more predictable recoil pattern, and a few more meters of range.

Literally everything is better on TacARs... Everything.
Damage/DPS.
Damage per Mag.
Fitting Costs.
Better hipfire accuracy.
No heat.
Less Recoil.
Better Damage profile.
Doesn't need Amassault to be competitive.

Damage
1.5 Damage per shot does not constitute "higher damage". This is the difference between Adv and Standard on some weapons.
OK. I don't want to ever see you complain about AScRs being better than the AR, k?


Damage per Mag
Get the **** out of here. Seriously? This isn't even mathematically true and it's grounds for me to dismiss everything you're saying because you're lying to people. Duvolle TAR does 1,752 damage per mag, Viziam Scrambler does 2,145.
I said effective Damage per Mag. Ad in factoring in the heat. ScRs overheat before a TacAR has to reload.

Fitting Costs
Congrats. 2 CPU and 7 PG. Can we go ahead and nerf the Assault Ak.0 for having 9 more PG than the Assault Mk.0? EDIT: Btw, this also means you get a much greater benefit from Assault role bonus and Proficiency skills. Just figured I'd mention it in case you forgot while spewing out your terrible arguments.
Ive seen you ***** about ACRs being easier to fit than ARs, and that's by even less than this.


Better Hipfire Accuracy
Doubt it. Would need to actually back in the game and look. Fairly certain that's not the case because the hipfire hasn't changed much/at all since I made this video, which clearly demonstrates that the Scrambler Rifle has a much tighter hipfire than the TAR
Fun fact: ARs have this magical skill called "Sharpshooter" that tightens hipfire. Also, the Assault bonus further tightens it! No such skill exists for the ScR...

No Heat
And originally you could shoot more rounds with a Scrambler Rifle than the TAR had in it's magazine before overheating on a suit -other- than an Amarr suit. Are you saying that because they buffed the TAR's mag capacity that it's somehow unbalanced?
Yes. 24 round mags without overheat is OP. That is exactly what I am saying. Even with Amassault to V, the ScR still overheats on the 23rd round.

Less recoil
And the Scrambler has absolutely no muzzle climb. Where's your argument fall now?
The Scrambler rifle most certainly does have muzzle climb. More than the TacAR, actually...

Better Damage Profile
You have a charge. Damage profile doesn't mean jack when you can charge for x3 damage.

Doesn't need AmAssault to be competitive
You've got multiple videos showing that this is simply not true. It's competitive, the AmAssault just makes it that much better. It's like saying that a Combat Rifle requires a MinAssault to be competitive.
Then why isn't it almost unused in PC on anything but Amassaults?


EDIT: Please stop trying to sound smart if you're just going to blindly defend the Scrambler Rifle with baseless information and incorrect data.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

Even more flaming...

^ no matter how broken a long-range rifle is in CQC I have a feeling someone will say "it's fine" and that's what grinds my gears

FTFY

Well it's true we never agree on anything. But I do agree with ScR being too good for CQC. It's why I have aim assist off because it prevents me from using it as such

Simply what happened was that the Scrambler was OP, but few were using it so either it was hard to use or only paying off for a few to use.

Now, what is happening is that since I said that, a flood of player have migrated to the arguably best weapon, without it diminishing the K/S, even to the point that the K/S is going up.

That tells me that its not that hard to use, OP and needs a tweak.

I would welcome players going to TAC AR and the grand design goal is to get these rifles to the point that you will have a preferrred a weapon but switch to other weapons to accommodate tactical situations.

The weapon should not be a "forced" choice, because it is much better than the others, so using them is a handicap.

I believe "too good for CQC" is maybe too vague and generalist a term.
Too easy to use and master yet still overly rewarding might be more fitting.

Where the laz0r rifle is not a CQC weapon at all, the ScR should stay the Amarrian CQC and overall goto guy.
But as with all things amarrian, it should be an art to use and be more bound to its corresponding suit to justify its range variability.
Great reward, yes...at a great price, if you will.



I just put out the numbers and my concerns to allow for a more pluralistic and productive and less dogmatic discussion as it unfortunately happens all too often.

feelings and shoulds don't make good balance

FTFY

Neither do charts.

There is much you've yet to learn.