The hell do i know? Thats what i see in game when i aim at my team or the enemy and their shields are up. I start to think that the scrambler is not working as intended. If i find a guineapig i would make a screenshot with my phone and upload it.

Simply what happened was that the Scrambler was OP, but few were using it so either it was hard to use or only paying off for a few to use.

Now, what is happening is that since I said that, a flood of player have migrated to the arguably best weapon, without it diminishing the K/S, even to the point that the K/S is going up.

That tells me that its not that hard to use, OP and needs a tweak.

I would welcome players going to TAC AR and the grand design goal is to get these rifles to the point that you will have a preferrred a weapon but switch to other weapons to accommodate tactical situations.

The weapon should not be a "forced" choice, because it is much better than the others, so using them is a handicap.

Dont see y not Tac assault rifle pitiful range and fire rate and scr .... well if I have to say anything about it u must be abusing it like half the community

Thank you for continuing the dialogue. Do you have any thoughts or data about why people may have moved to it? The scrambler itself received no buffs during that time period. Perhaps it was due to a nerf to some other popular weapon?

I want the scrambler in a good place, so I truly hope that we as a community can continue to provide constructive feedback. Also, while I think this thread contains by and large rational people, please ignore the trolls, Rattati o7

Maybe... profile might also be an issue, its odd that we have the highest damage profile available in the game being used against the lowest EHP form of tanking, just screams for abuse.

Anything would help though.

Yes but the shotgun does its job at 5-10 meters and has very limited and clunky fire rate. The scrambler has something like 80 meter range (I dont recall the exact ranges, wish those showed up somewhere in game!) where its still 100% effective.

And in terms of danger for say, a shotgunner vs. a scrambler user, even at close range... the scrambler user doesnt need to worry about their relative speed and can tank for HP, since their weapon has much better range. On the other hand a shotgunner is required to either run multiple kincats or run a scout suit, so their EHP will be very low in comparison, in addition they MUST close distance, where a scrambler rifle user has the luxury of engaging at any effective rifle range (in other words - they will have decisive, crippling, shotgun-like damage regardless of range unless fighting against a laser rifle or sniper rifle or forge gunner at very long ranges).

Edit: In addition its worth noting that the scrambler rifle is the second best rifle in PC even though PC framerate lag dramatically favors full auto assault/hmg weapons or big chunky hard hitters like the shotgun. If the framerate issues were fixed, you have to wonder what the situation would be in terms of rifle effectiveness when the tac scrambler is already one of only 4 of the rifles (and the ONLY non full auto rifle) that can really compete in that environment.

By clunky I mean when you fire a shot you have to wait a second or so for your second shot. The scrambler does not have this limitation, as far as I can tell when you click the shoot button that thing shoots right up until it overheats.

And again PC strongly favors full auto weaponry (which is why the Assault Combat Rifle is much more effective and much more used in PC than the tac scrambler), but the tac scrambler still beats out the assault rail rifle, assault scrambler, and assault plasma rifle. If the framerate issues in PC were not there it would be a much different story.

Also re: data, those numbers are just kills made in PC and what suit the rifle/kill was made on. It doesnt tell us how good each weapon is in relative terms. So for example: if those 5184 scrambler kills were made by 2000 spawns worth of clones, and the 14349 acr kills were made by 10000 spawns worth of clones, the scrambler would still be the better weapon despite the disparity in raw quantity because per clone the scrambler rifle is performing better. So yeah I agree we would need more data for our plebian general forum discussions to really figure things out, but I dont think Rattati is inclined to just make **** up to randomly nerf something (but I'd still love to see that data ).

It would require a client side update. The heat attributes existing as they are is just an aftereffect of them reusing LR heat for everything else where it makes less sense.

First point: "Scrambler absolutely devastates sheild" I believe in that way it is working as intended. As an Amarr laser weapon, shields are where it is supposed to shine.

Second point: "or low hp tanked suits" It is my opinion that by the very definition of "Low HP" you should expect to have a reduced survive-ability under direct fire.



To me, it seems like your gripe stems from being dispatched too quickly for your liking. If that is true, my experience would lead me to think that it is the charge shot in particular that could be causing the trouble.

The scrambler is an alpha weapon, dealing high damage in short bursts. If we combine alpha damage with a charge multiplier, then factor in your low HP shield suit, I can fully understand how a scrambler would cause you irritation.

I sympathize. Now, looking at the weapon itself, the charge mechanic (coupled with the heat system) is what makes the scrambler unique. Therefore, I would hate to see the charge option removed entirely as some have proposed. This would result in the scrambler being being much closer to any other rifle rather than having it's own place on the battlefield as all weapons should.

My opinion: lower single shot damage by a reasonable amount, and increase charge shot damage.

Everyone keeps talking about how the scrambler requires skill. I agree, but if what Rattati says is true (and I don't doubt him) then it appears that an increasing amount of presumably less-skilled people are using it to great effect. To rectify this, reduce the effectiveness of the fast firing single shot. Do not do away with it entirely, simply make it less rewarding for those who use the weapon in ranges that it might not be ideally suited for. Scramblers should be able to defend themselves up close, but that's not what the Amarr mentality dictates the weapon should be used for.

By increasing charge shot damage, it would become what most players belive it to be: A long range, high damage weapon that promotes timing and placement above close range trigger fingers.



This sadly falls in to ranting territory, and makes me sad

Now:



Buff the Burst. No arguments there.

The issue that I could see happening lies with the TAC. Many people say it's fine, but again, Rattati thinks differently. Fair play, broken things must be fixed. However, as has already been pointed out, the Scrambler and the TAC are very close in their respective fields. Both high damage, anti-shield weapons.

The difference lies in their profiles, with the Scrambler having the longer range and greater shield damage, and the TAC being Mid to Long ranges with less of a draw-back versus armor.

The point is that because they are so similar, nerfing one while buffing the other could lead to abandonment of one for the other. If that were to happen, we'll simply be having this conversation again as people naturally migrate away from the scrambler.

TLDR:

Skilled Charge Shot>Rapid Single Shot

Don't Over-Nerf or Over-Buff; it'll just cause more problems down the road.

+1 from me if Heat Mechanics couldn't be changed (or until heat mechanics could be changed)...something like that...maybe take down damage a bit more and up the headshot multiplier?

please make that video, as it's pretty easy to demonstrate

You know that even if you provide video proof of the ScR performing on par with other service rifles it would be taken with a grain of salt.

Data. We need data.

Rattati, can you please provide the K/s for the ScR vs. RR vs. CR vs. AR? That would be really interesting to see.

Rattati are you looking at decreasing RR hipfire recoil at all? Other rifles have caught up to it. It's not OP at all right now and being unusable hipfiring makes it a bit UP. Even if it's range needs to go down a bit, can we make it an actual rifle and not a sniper rifle?

Lol.

Watch toward the latter mid-point where I don't use charge at all on three of those dudes. It tears through them like butter, something I'm hard pressed to get my Tactical Assault Rifle to do.

No reason the Scrambler Rifle should just be better in all forms, charge shot or not. The charge shot just compounds the issues. Thing has better damage application, much longer range, and it doesn't give a **** about +20/-20 when it's hammering out as much damage as it is. This isn't even touching on the ammo conversation which effectively made the nanohives I was carrying absolutely useless. Clip size is another thing - I only ever reload because it gives me something to do while I wait for it to cool down.

The only reason I don't like this thing is because I don't have any skills in Amarr Assault (btw, this was done with a Prototype Gal Assault) which infringes a lot on my playstyle (CQC) because of overheating. This isn't to say that the thing isn't powerful as hell (I've been saying that for months now, just everyone started finally paying attention) just that I don't like it because I'm a CQC brawler.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

In that first video, does that min guy lose 100 shields from 1 noncharged shot or is it me?

Shortly after your first death

Never knew it was THAT easy for people to kill my shield suit lol.