I would suggest A personally. The ScR should be very powerful. But, that power comes at a price. Rather than decrease it's power, I would rather increase the price. However, when increasing the price, do so incrementally. Don't increase it to where it cannot be used at all.

Will a kick increase be punishing to those who take well aimed shots? Perhaps a kick that scales with fire rate so when you hammer down with hipfire it's bad, but when you slow it down, it's managable. Or give it more dispersion like the tac AR. That gun is definitely less relyable very close up.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

I'm not sure how the third option results in rewarding accuracy...

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam

increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off

I just love how all of the scrambler rifle brigade is here defending their weapon yet again after countless times now giving their ideas to rattati how to fix it on a way that does not hinder their ridiculous damage output against shields and armor. That weapon is broken end extremely unfair against shields at long ranges, medium, and close range it always has been. End of story. Just nerf that thing like yall did to the ar's. Nobody seemed to care about that weapon when it got nerfed because everyone migrated to even more op weapons. I:E CR, RR, AcR.

But wait the CR variants and RR variants already got nerfed except the viziam. That weapon has been eluding a nerf since its inception because of the scrambler rifle brigade always telling the same old tired story to the devs "it overheats" "it takes skill to charge shot" "does bad against armor" No it freaking doesn't. Ive used this weapon maxed out to pro 5 with three damage mods on my ak.0 and that thing destroys any other rifle at any given range. It doesnt care if i shoot shields nor armor either. The fact that this thing can out DPS an AR wielding gallente a "close range intended fit" in a CQC fight is ridiculous. Not even that it also out DPS's any other armor suit wielding at long range. Better yet why hasnt anyone made a video using the Viziam SCR destroying every single shield and armor suit at any range. Do i have to make one or what?

I dont mean to sound like i am being biased but i am tired of this overpowered weapon always being defended by certain players that use it but never telling the full story of how they can destroy shield suits in an instant. A shield suit is basically a free kill because they run little armor after their shields are destroyed. And guess what? the viziam doesnt care if it has 200 armor, 300 armor, 400 armor, 500 armor, 600 armor, 700 armor. It will eat that armor like if they were shields.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

The third option has my vote, no surprise there.



Here's my take. As it is, Scramblers do just about as good in close quarters as they do at range. If we reduce the effectiveness of the single fire spamming, and buff the charge multiplier, people will naturally begin using the weapon in the ranges it was meant for, rather than up close and personal where it will be less viable.

You will still be able to defend yourself when things go wrong, but you won't seek out those kinds of fights like you might with the current structure as you won't be doing nearly as much damage. My two cents.



Not necessarily a bad idea, but if the heat increase applies to Charge shot like it does now, increasing it will hurt those using the weapon properly just as those who are spamming.

Currently, Charge shots take a lot of heat, and you cannot fire more than 3 back-to-back. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong, can't remember exactly for some reason) Increasing heat cost across the board would only make that number go down, and give players little reason to use the Scrambler where it should be.

Conversely, increasing heat buildup only for the single shots probably would reduce spam, as you would simply be unable to fire as many rounds. My concern is that if taken to far, this heat increase would render the Scrambler unusable in self-defense ranges, much like what the Rail Rifle suffers from currently.

Again, with care, this option could work. It's just not my first choice.



I'm not going to mince words on this one. No! One thousand times no!

My reasoning is simple. Kick is not an enjoyable game mechanic. At all. Rather than bring balance, I believe it just creates frustration. I think our friends over at Biomassed have shared this opinion if I recall correctly.

We could talk about the lore of laser weapons and how recoil makes no sense for them, but I think that's a roundabout way of getting to the real point. Recoil is not fun, and we can balance better.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

option C seems the least obnoxious.

A means mounting scramblers on anything but an amarr assault is idiocy. The amarr commando already sufders serious damafe application issues gingiven the one slot for dsdamage mods and the heat buildup balancwd to key off one suit in the game.

B is... immersion breaking. Laser.

honestly removing rhe dispersion and leaving the hipfire reticle as is would result in the same hilarity of the HMG in uprising 1.0 where it performed poorly In CQC but at it's max optimal was utterly hilarious and destructive.

Actually since the draw for the scrambler is apparently the aiming being rewarded, let's do a little bit of C and make them actually laser accurate.

I'll be starting a betting pool on how many amarr players scream and respec

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

This is the point I've been trying to make. At long range you're using the charge shot, and that's good. At close range you are forced to either spam, or use the high risk/high reward charge shot followed by short bursts technique.

Since we are endeavoring to reduce spam and incentivize proper positioning, it makes perfect sense to lower single shot damage and raise the charge shot effectiveness accordingly.

Instead of going in with trigger spam, this would encourage a carefully placed high damage charge shot, followed by a short burst of low damage shots to finish the engagement. Heat management would be more important, positioning would be key, and TTK may even go up from the increase in overheating that more charge shooting will bring.



I would ask that you use the Scrambler again against a suit comparable to the one you were using, and inform me if you have the same results. Maybe you will, but my experience tells me that armor suits (gallante tank+rep fit in particular) are the things that cause you the most trouble with a Scrambler.

And I'll just say it again: saying that the Scrambler is just as effective against Armor as it is Shields is factually incorrect. No attempt at an argument here, simply looking at how the game works.



And that's a perfectly acceptable and rational reason to not enjoy using it. It makes perfect sense that a long range weapon would not feel comfortable in the hands of a close range specialist.



This is an extremely important point to keep in mind when you are making an argument. (By you I mean everyone)

If we consider a Prototype weapon quickly dispatching Militia suits to be a problem in and of itself, then we must take a step back and think about what impact any changes will make on how that weapon works against Prototype suits and gear.

This just one reason that balancing off of information gathered in Public Matches isn't always a good idea. Pubs are great indicators, but they don't always tell the whole story. That however, is a different topic, and I won't jump down that rabbit hole any farther.

For what it's worth, I still enjoyed your video.

The weapon obviously works too well in CQC.

I see three ways

Increase heat cost, so that you have less followup shots to spam
increase hip fire kick, with compounding so the 3rd shot in succession is way off
Increase charge shot multiplier, decrease normal damage = preserve dps, rewarding accuracy

1) Heat Cost.

You increase Heat Cost you effectively eliminate that weapon from being used by anyone but the Amarr Assault.

If we're going that route
- make the Assault Rifle do next to no damage on anything but a Gallente Assault
- Combat Rifle have next to nothing in the magazine on anything but a Minmatar Assault
- Rail Rifle have next to nothing in optimal range on anything but the Caldari Assault.

2) Hip fire kick

Didn't really stop anyone from using the RR in CQC and they can still kill with it once they're used to how the recoil works. Just takes a little time to adjust to and doesn't really solve much.

3) Charge Shot Multiplier and Decrease Normal Damage

Might work. That or just really irritate the ever living hell out of anyone who's on the receiving end of it as entire chunks of HP as taken away from a single shot - not unlike a sniper rifle. Kinda hard to counter that functionality whenever you're using something that has a set DPS and that's it. Why use an Assault Rifle with an un-changeable TTK when I can just use a Scrambler with a charge-shot and follow up with a few single shots?

My proposal:

Kill the magazine size, give it actual muzzle climb (it and the ASCR are the only weapons that are exempt from this), give it greater hipfire dispersion. EDIT: Make it so that you have to actually aim instead of just spamming the trigger and staying on target in CQC. -Force- it to ADS and micromanage between heat and magazine capacity.

why does it seem odd?

I don't mind these changes gameplay wise because I always use ads anyway but lore wise it won't make sense. How can lasers produce so much recoil?

Why are rail-tech sniper rifles limited to a 400m range?

because every player in the game right now knows the Tac Ar is the better choice then the scrambler. no amount of data mineing could leave you that blind to balance.

Why are rail-tech sniper rifles limited to a 400m range?

Considering I haven'tbeen killed by a tac ar in months I have to consider that statement as suspect.

Doesn't mean it isn't better than the ScR.

Doesn't mean it isn't better than the ScR.

The only advantage that ScR has over TacAR is charge shot, a more predictable recoil pattern, and a few more meters of range.

Literally everything is better on TacARs... Everything.
Damage/DPS.
Damage per Mag.
Fitting Costs.
Better hipfire accuracy.
No heat.
Less Recoil.
Better Damage profile.
Doesn't need Amassault to be competitive.

Your Kidding me right?

The ScR is way superior to the TAR in CQC combat. The TAR and ScR are literally night and day in CQC performance.

quite perfectly actually. Now to buff Burst AR and TACAR more, and nerf scrambler a bit. More numbers later.