DUST Search - Do you have any numbers on how the ASCR is doing after buff?

Darth-Carbonite-GIO wrote:

Yes, we are, and you are part of the Assault Rifle "Brigade" correct? There's no shame in loving a particular weapon. The shame comes when you belittle others for their love and derail a positive and constructive process.

Darth-Carbonite-GIO wrote:

Properly fitted shield suits will run lots of shields and low armor. The Scrambler is designed to destroy shields. I'm not sure what more can be said except that, in this respect, it's not the Scrambler that's giving you these problems. It's broken shield tanking.

To balance a weapon by judging it against a fitting style that most everybody agrees to be broken would seem to be like putting the cart before the horse. A bad idea.

Darth-Carbonite-GIO wrote:

First off, the statement that the Scrambler "will eat that armor like if they were shields" is factually incorrect. The Scrambler does less against Armor and more against Shield. Once again, that is what the weapon is designed for.

However, it seems obvious that your issue once again lies with being dispatched too quickly. If that is the case, it continues to reinforce the theory that the single shot is the culprit in your rapid demise.

Again, if the weapon was operating in Mid to Long range as it should, then it would make complete sense that you would get outgunned. An armor tanked suit, slowly moving across a wide open field is just as good of a target as a shield suit in close quarters.

In conclusion then, if you are a shield tanked suit, expect to have a rough time with Amarr weapons. It's how God(CCP) designed them.

If you are having trouble with Scramblers at long range, yet again, you're in the weapon's optimal field of play.

And if you are being tormented by a Scrambler in short, CQC range, then YES; you have a legitimate grievance.

TLDR:

Long Range > CQC

Skill > Spam

Constructive Feedback > Rage


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Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1041	Posted - 2015.03.28 23:57:00 - [1] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: I really don't understand why you guys think the TacAR is worse than the ScR. Gallente Assault V and that thing has perfect hipfire spread. Same RoF, better damage, no overheat, a sharpshooter skill, better fitting, arguably better damage profile. The only thing it lacks is the charge shot and range which both go hand in hand. If you nerf the scrambler rifle, you'll just see people switch to a Gallente Assault and TacAR, which is already superior if you ask me. oh really? then tell me how many tac AR's you see in pubs or pc? Here their eyes stare at a void as i pass by them, like as if i am not even there. AE
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1044	Posted - 2015.03.30 09:06:00 - [2] - Quote I just love how all of the scrambler rifle brigade is here defending their weapon yet again after countless times now giving their ideas to rattati how to fix it on a way that does not hinder their ridiculous damage output against shields and armor. That weapon is broken end extremely unfair against shields at long ranges, medium, and close range it always has been. End of story. Just nerf that thing like yall did to the ar's. Nobody seemed to care about that weapon when it got nerfed because everyone migrated to even more op weapons. I:E CR, RR, AcR. But wait the CR variants and RR variants already got nerfed except the viziam. That weapon has been eluding a nerf since its inception because of the scrambler rifle brigade always telling the same old tired story to the devs "it overheats" "it takes skill to charge shot" "does bad against armor" No it freaking doesn't. Ive used this weapon maxed out to pro 5 with three damage mods on my ak.0 and that thing destroys any other rifle at any given range. It doesnt care if i shoot shields nor armor either. The fact that this thing can out DPS an AR wielding gallente a "close range intended fit" in a CQC fight is ridiculous. Not even that it also out DPS's any other armor suit wielding at long range. Better yet why hasnt anyone made a video using the Viziam SCR destroying every single shield and armor suit at any range. Do i have to make one or what? I dont mean to sound like i am being biased but i am tired of this overpowered weapon always being defended by certain players that use it but never telling the full story of how they can destroy shield suits in an instant. A shield suit is basically a free kill because they run little armor after their shields are destroyed. And guess what? the viziam doesnt care if it has 200 armor, 300 armor, 400 armor, 500 armor, 600 armor, 700 armor. It will eat that armor like if they were shields. AE
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1049	Posted - 2015.03.30 21:06:00 - [3] - Quote Darth-Carbonite-GIO wrote: Yes, we are, and you are part of the Assault Rifle "Brigade" correct? There's no shame in loving a particular weapon. The shame comes when you belittle others for their love and derail a positive and constructive process. You have it extremely wrong. I am not part of anything i have no preference. I've used each weapon and every single of its variants equally. AR, CR, RR, SCR. I know how to fully use all of them to their full potential not only in public matches and in PC and i have tons of pictures to prove that. You saying that i come here to belittle others for their love of a weapon? LOL. Where were you when they were about to nerf the RR, and CR? or the people who wanted the AR nerfed to the ground? Nobody seemed to care, nobody created a thread such as this size to defend any of those weapons. Where were their long thread of "positive and constructive process" that you so much preach about when it comes to SCR. Darth-Carbonite-GIO wrote: Properly fitted shield suits will run lots of shields and low armor. The Scrambler is designed to destroy shields. I'm not sure what more can be said except that, in this respect, it's not the Scrambler that's giving you these problems. It's broken shield tanking. To balance a weapon by judging it against a fitting style that most everybody agrees to be broken would seem to be like putting the cart before the horse. A bad idea. Again you are extremely wrong. I am not talking about myself this is not a me issue, i am talking in behalf of all the people who run shield suits as an ex player who used to run shields suits since even way before open beta. Why are you trying to make it sound like i run shield suits? I haven't ran any shield suit extensively since novemeber 2013 during the winter war against Outer.Heaven one of the hardest wars i ever fought and guess why? because of the SCR was new and everyone was spamming it of course. Shield suits practically became impractical and a free kill in PC and in public matches. So again dude, I don't preferably run shield suits since a long time ago and i am not talking about myself. I switched to my caldari CK.0 again the other month and again same freaking problem. Viziam melting over 600 shields in less than a blink of an eye by then leaving it up for grabs to anyone at 276 armor. Why doesnt the CR or RR does that also against armor? they are armor weapons after all dont they. They definitely do not melt armor like ACR does to shields. Surprisingly the Tactical proto AR gives the Viziam ACR a run for its money at medium to close range but at long range forget about it. So what do you propose? you say shield tanking is broken. You want to buff shields which i think they should have done a long time ago. Or finally a proper drawback to the viziam acr like lets say... a delay after its charge shot? You want to do boatloads of damage then wait a little before you can shoot again. After all, all of you guys claim that you're so skill full with it so why spam it after a charge shot that already did so much damage to shields. Give those shield guys a break lol. Darth-Carbonite-GIO wrote: First off, the statement that the Scrambler "will eat that armor like if they were shields" is factually incorrect. The Scrambler does less against Armor and more against Shield. Once again, that is what the weapon is designed for. However, it seems obvious that your issue once again lies with being dispatched too quickly. If that is the case, it continues to reinforce the theory that the single shot is the culprit in your rapid demise. Again, if the weapon was operating in Mid to Long range as it should, then it would make complete sense that you would get outgunned. An armor tanked suit, slowly moving across a wide open field is just as good of a target as a shield suit in close quarters. In conclusion then, if you are a shield tanked suit, expect to have a rough time with Amarr weapons. It's how God(CCP) designed them. If you are having trouble with Scramblers at long range, yet again, you're in the weapon's optimal field of play. And if you are being tormented by a Scrambler in short, CQC range, then YES; you have a legitimate grievance. TLDR: Long Range > CQC Skill > Spam Constructive Feedback > Rage Do not tell me what the scrambler is designed for. I know exactly what is designed for. According to you it is designed to take out everyone with a charge shot but then why spam it after wards? Again you keep making this a "me" issue rather than looking at the grand scale of things.You talk as if you know me and what i run. The issue does not lie with the charge shot. My gallente assault can take a charge shot very well, so you get me with a charge shot and lower my armor to 500 yay... wathever. It is the spamming after wards that really hurts. C'mon you are a SCR user so why are you leaving out details such as this? Nope, again you keep talking as if you know what i run. My gallente is anything but slow as it has 728 armor with a movement speed of 5.0. With 70+ reps. In conclusion to what? all you did was make a fool out of yourself. Nope. The RR is also a long range weapon. The RR actually has trouble shooting down shields at long ranges before touching armor. Unlike the viziam that has no trouble shooting down armor medium suit and scout suits at any given range. Tormented? you are talking to a harden PC vet that has been in major wars against TP, FA, OH multiple times. There is nothing that torments me in this game. So you are telling me that a viziam should always beat a gallente with an AR at CQC? do you have any idea how freaking stup*d that sounds? No wonder the poor duvolle, breach, burst are in the state that they are in. And then you claim that i belittle a class when your class of players also imposes their ideas and broken logic to the rest. AE
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1057	Posted - 2015.03.31 15:17:00 - [4] - Quote These where three quick videos i was able to make yesterday. Two vs Regular basic and advanced players. And another one against more experienced players. Viziam vs Basic and Adv players #1 Viziam vs Basic and Adv players #2 Viziam vs Proto players I had another one against proto players but that one had the audio not synced with what was happening. Ill try to re upload it later. So yeah after trying it out a few matches it does not look pretty. My Tac AR diffidently takes more out of me when i use it. AE