DUST Search - Why are ADS's acting as if they are Gunships?

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Shamarskii Simon wrote:

I know if a tank is going into a city, it's a no go zone for me (AV knockback + wall touch = instant death) I've also had stalemates with tanks when they a going around objects + forward-back.

I don't know... If a dropship can stay above a tank for a long enough time to kill it, i guess that's kinda your fault? Exploit elevation; exploit inertia.

As for drop off pick up, it doesn't happen often because:
- Small distance between some objectives.
- If near a supply depot, everyone and their mother switches to swarms.
- No need for pick up often. Rare case.
- Fitting a mCRU is suicidal on a python.
- mCRU only works on clones which have been term'd.
- some people rather stay in dropships rather than jumping out.
- sometimes, due to the lack of communication, people aren't leaving because they are at the "wrong" place.
- insta-pop hazards like the ground,
- "assume there is always a red rail"

Generally, you'll see a DS with gunners and well, rare chance of pick-ups and dropoffs too.

The rail has also been nerfed and the ADSs ability also to achieve balance. ROF nerf of the turret and 70% skill nerf (3% rof increase now) the turret's damage has been buffed, nevertheless. Proto rail does 390; (110% + ads skill)a / (90% + ads skill)s compared to 430; (77% + ads skill)s / (63% + ads skill)a

An HAV going into a city is a dead HAV (maneuvering them isn't a thing, and AV in the city). Not a option.

If you're having trouble with a AHV going around things, you're a terrible pilot, because you know, trying to turn a HAV usually stops it, or overshoots it. forward and back only works with a nitro, and doesn't even deal with the ADS, only delays the death.

Exploiting Inertia is possible on ADS's as well, seeing as unless you're using your AB or going full speed (in which case you're an idiot), turning on a dime is easy. Also, exploiting inertia on a stupid pilot in a HAV doesn't change the fact that the ADS is still there, and you still can't shoot it down, or scare it off.

Those issues are irrelevant to the ADS acting as a Gunship, and more so on how DS's in general as a role sucks, in which I already covered, twice now (as well as the rest of your post, more so). If you read the thread, you would know that.

And because rails are fine against them, Rockets and Blasters are too, huh?


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Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 79	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:51:00 - [1] - Quote Didn't read it all but... Forward and back, forward and back. To turn around quickly and keep aim, the dropship's nose goes down. THAT MOMENT is the scariest moment of a rail ADS challenging a tank. That's a "pew!........pew! warning klaxon blaring away" you need to put the pilot's shoes on.. a skilled tanker can win that engagement by abusing terrain and making hills increase the turret's elevation. Just like an ADS must pick a suitable place to engage the enemy tank. It's fair game... i've lost to tanks because i guessed wrong on how far they'll go forward (end up hovering by the tank's side late) and i've won a few by the tank pilot losing his/her calm. In the end, the tank pilot has something the dropship pilot doesn't: AV weapons and solid ground. I can't jump out my ship to finish the job. I need AB if my nose dips too low in the "back" phase. I'm a flying wp Box that can get swarmed from any direction and draws way too much attention. Hell, people call in LAVs and launch swarms at me at the same time nowadays. I've gotten to know bobby the Bolas pilot quite well because of that. Moral of the story: Forward and back -- exploit our inertia while we exploit your elevation. ^ my tips to a tank pilot who gets into that situation, i think everyone knows it by know though. Plus, i usually float real high waiting for a squad member to cry about too many enemies or an enemy vehicle is surpressing them, while ensuring enemy dropships don't drop uplinks in high places. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 84	Posted - 2015.02.05 21:22:00 - [2] - Quote Well if you have such a problem with the assault dropship, what do you think will solve the problem? Raise in elevation? Then how is it fair to a dropship that only has elevation as it's only advantage? While one can work smart and use swarms/forge if it's that much of a bother, a dropship has one thing: AB. If it's too hot? AB. Got too low? AB. Same mistake again? Sucks, you're on cooldown. Can a dropship be two shot by rails? Possibly. Can a missile turret flip your dropship? Yes. Does a missile turret have higher elevation? Yes. Does a missile turret have the alpha to catch a dropship during the "back" phase? Yes. Does the dropship have less ehp? Yes. Does it have more agility? Yes. In all honesty, the TTK of a dropship by a tank, is far shorter than the TTK of a tank by a dropship. Also, flying directly over can be countered by forward-back... If you make yourself a hard catch they'll leave eventually. The only true float in place dropships, are dropships w/ a gunner. And, the one tank i see no solo dropship can pop is a triple rep maddy. Burst firing the rail won't pull it off... They'll rep up from the charge up + trigger release. Straight fire will cause overheat; Cannot alpha strike. Missiles have long reload + higher chance of missing. I encounter a triple rep, i get a damage points and leave it alone... Nothing i can do to it. Also! If more than one tank is on the field, i have to get the weak link first. I cant even pick up/drop off if tanks are in the field. A sica could be the strongest link while a 5300 shp xt gunny could be the weakest. Anyways, i'll ask you this: If a tank can 3 shot or flip a dropship w/ missiles, why can't a dropship shoot back while floating over your turret? If you want higher elevation, it's only fair to ask for an ehp buff or large rail/missile damage nerf. You agree with that? Even goliath was defeated by david... Large and powerful weaponry, slower Vs small and weak weaponry, quicker. A dropship cannot be a dropship till the area is safe. You are a threat. Some tanks sit in the redline and boom boom redrails. you can also get first movers advantage with the tank. ESPECIALLY, a missile tank. Either i flipped, or was alpha struck out the air. Missile tanks also have higher elevation than rails. And, i was just responding... To say you don't care simply means you don't want others to care. People will disagree with you in life. Be positive and positivity will come back. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 84	Posted - 2015.02.05 22:53:00 - [3] - Quote I do hate when ads pilots retreat to redline and recall... Other than derrith... I know he'd be switching to a rail inky to 1v1. ^ i do enjoy a good challege after all. Edit: honestly godin, i agree with your last post. I'm not a vet no no, but balance is something we all want to achieve. Man, if i ever came off like i was attacking you I apologize. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 89	Posted - 2015.02.06 12:59:00 - [4] - Quote I know if a tank is going into a city, it's a no go zone for me (AV knockback + wall touch = instant death) I've also had stalemates with tanks when they a going around objects + forward-back. I don't know... If a dropship can stay above a tank for a long enough time to kill it, i guess that's kinda your fault? Exploit elevation; exploit inertia. As for drop off pick up, it doesn't happen often because: - Small distance between some objectives. - If near a supply depot, everyone and their mother switches to swarms. - No need for pick up often. Rare case. - Fitting a mCRU is suicidal on a python. - mCRU only works on clones which have been term'd. - some people rather stay in dropships rather than jumping out. - sometimes, due to the lack of communication, people aren't leaving because they are at the "wrong" place. - insta-pop hazards like the ground, - "assume there is always a red rail" Generally, you'll see a DS with gunners and well, rare chance of pick-ups and dropoffs too. The rail has also been nerfed and the ADSs ability also to achieve balance. ROF nerf of the turret and 70% skill nerf (3% rof increase now) the turret's damage has been buffed, nevertheless. Proto rail does 390; (110% + ads skill)a / (90% + ads skill)s compared to 430; (77% + ads skill)s / (63% + ads skill)a Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 96	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:13:00 - [5] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: I know if a tank is going into a city, it's a no go zone for me (AV knockback + wall touch = instant death) I've also had stalemates with tanks when they a going around objects + forward-back. I don't know... If a dropship can stay above a tank for a long enough time to kill it, i guess that's kinda your fault? Exploit elevation; exploit inertia. As for drop off pick up, it doesn't happen often because: - Small distance between some objectives. - If near a supply depot, everyone and their mother switches to swarms. - No need for pick up often. Rare case. - Fitting a mCRU is suicidal on a python. - mCRU only works on clones which have been term'd. - some people rather stay in dropships rather than jumping out. - sometimes, due to the lack of communication, people aren't leaving because they are at the "wrong" place. - insta-pop hazards like the ground, - "assume there is always a red rail" Generally, you'll see a DS with gunners and well, rare chance of pick-ups and dropoffs too. The rail has also been nerfed and the ADSs ability also to achieve balance. ROF nerf of the turret and 70% skill nerf (3% rof increase now) the turret's damage has been buffed, nevertheless. Proto rail does 390; (110% + ads skill)a / (90% + ads skill)s compared to 430; (77% + ads skill)s / (63% + ads skill)a An HAV going into a city is a dead HAV (maneuvering them isn't a thing, and AV in the city). Not a option. If you're having trouble with a AHV going around things, you're a terrible pilot, because you know, trying to turn a HAV usually stops it, or overshoots it. forward and back only works with a nitro, and doesn't even deal with the ADS, only delays the death. Exploiting Inertia is possible on ADS's as well, seeing as unless you're using your AB or going full speed (in which case you're an idiot), turning on a dime is easy. Also, exploiting inertia on a stupid pilot in a HAV doesn't change the fact that the ADS is still there, and you still can't shoot it down, or scare it off. Those issues are irrelevant to the ADS acting as a Gunship, and more so on how DS's in general as a role sucks, in which I already covered, twice now (as well as the rest of your post, more so). If you read the thread, you would know that. And because rails are fine against them, Rockets and Blasters are too, huh? A HAV can turn w/o stopping, and if it's going around tall buildings or inside a bridge area, hitting a hav is far harder than the usual forward and back. Those issues are relevant, you were saying why don't ADS behave like a dropship. I told you why. Blasters only work on shield dropships, where damage output is actually 100%. Anything else it falls below 50%. A dropship cannot turn immediately. It slips and slides like it's ice. Forward back becomes godlike with nitro, it is still effective w/o nitro. Idk man, i'm tired of arguing semantics. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2015.02.07 13:22:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ...It's not even effective without, you're just simply a scrub. If you are supposed to be persuading me then why the hell do you want to insult me? Seriously how do you expect someone to have a rational discussion with you when you cannot even respect one? I'm not mad, but i'm making you know insulting someone removes the context of what you're saying. "you may be the smartest person in the world; however, if you're rude, nobody will listen." Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2015.02.07 13:32:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ...It's not even effective without, you're just simply a scrub. If you are supposed to be persuading me then why the hell do you want to insult me? Seriously how do you expect someone to have a rational discussion with you when you cannot even respect one? I'm not mad, but i'm making you know insulting someone removes the context of what you're saying. "you may be the smartest person in the world; however, if you're rude, nobody will listen." If you can't track the sluggish movements of a HAV moving forward and backwards, I'm sorry, but you need to practice. That's simply all it comes down to. Life is harsh, deal with it. Oh no, i can. I need to be able to say it for everyone and anyone. Life is harsh, but that isn't an excuse to be disrespectful. Edit: anyways, the best way to forward back is when the dropship is turning, you forward against it (now it's a 360 the ship makes) and keep doing that. By the next turn around, one could have "potentially" backed up far enough to fire at the dropship. Then there is hitting nitro and just going ><><><>< Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2015.02.07 15:24:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ...It's not even effective without, you're just simply a scrub. If you are supposed to be persuading me then why the hell do you want to insult me? Seriously how do you expect someone to have a rational discussion with you when you cannot even respect one? I'm not mad, but i'm making you know insulting someone removes the context of what you're saying. "you may be the smartest person in the world; however, if you're rude, nobody will listen." If you can't track the sluggish movements of a HAV moving forward and backwards, I'm sorry, but you need to practice. That's simply all it comes down to. Life is harsh, deal with it. Oh no, i can. I need to be able to say it for everyone and anyone. Life is harsh, but that isn't an excuse to be disrespectful. Edit: anyways, the best way to forward back is when the dropship is turning, you forward against it (now it's a 360 the ship makes) and keep doing that. By the next turn around, one could have "potentially" backed up far enough to fire at the dropship. Then there is hitting nitro and just going ><><><>< Are you denying that you're a scrub, seeing as you can't even track a HAV going back and forward without nitro then? Because that's simply the truth of the matter. Or is it that you don't want me to tell you the truth? Turning isn't a issue in a ADS. I turn on HAV's easily, and if I somehow mess up (almost hit something), flying higher invalidates them. I've killed many tanks in many different situations. My way is to try to put myself in situations where i can use first person (far more accurate). I wait until the tank goes into a place where it is easier for me to defeat. Usually alone, away from other vehicles, at the back of a group etc. As for the forward back, i stay slightly to the side opposite to my escape route. Should they forward back, it's easier to follow the person. I prefer being right over because it's far more accurate... By the time i'm near o.h, the 1 - 2 burst feels better from above in my opinion. The problem with being right above is with the relative speed + the change in direction. The speed will carry the dropship forward so it's a stop and turn. I turn by putting my nose down so i can keep some speed. If the forward back move is chaotic, reading the tank's movement is harder in general. (you'll keep going -> till you stop and go <-. No matter how much <- force you apply) Now, the time you can be shot by the rail is in the back phase because the turn around time a dropship takes is more than the time it takes for a tank reverse. This is the time where i see people AB to go back into the tank's blind spot. This is why the missile turret is better. higher elevation so less back up time. And after all of that there is one thing a tank pilot can do: AV. I don't pilot a tank but i see my friend Tarlock fighting off dropships whenever we are together and i'm footing it. I see him doing that sometimes. Sigh, i really don't care anymore. I thought we'd have a productive discussion but meh, guess not. Entering the void and becoming wind with my repbus.