The good news is my thumb is getting exercise like never before!

Are controller users and KB+M user going ot be mixed in together in the same matches?

IF so, thats going to seriously suck for those that prefer the controller due to KB+M being far a superior method of control with better reactions.

They should be kept apart imo as if they're mixed together, the controller players are going to just grow tired of getting headshotted time and time again and pretty soon they'll just move on to another game, this shouldnt happen CCP.
At least include the option to play in controller/KB+M only lobbies.

Are controller users and KB+M user going ot be mixed in together in the same matches?

IF so, thats going to seriously suck for those that prefer the controller due to KB+M being far a superior method of control with better reactions.

They should be kept apart imo as if they're mixed together, the controller players are going to just grow tired of getting headshotted time and time again and pretty soon they'll just move on to another game, this shouldnt happen CCP.
At least include the option to play in controller/KB+M only lobbies.

I've been using the splitflish - never been much for joystick-aiming myself.

I hope the mouse implementation improves... right now with the splitfish it is crap, and I know it can be better - used it for my entire MAG career.

I can aim better with the right analog atm.

Played a couple matches so far and I can tell you that my tactics are going to change radically with a keyboard + mouse combo. Right now we're forced to strafe and what not because no one can aim worth a damn. I've seen some great gun fights where people make the most of a poor controls situation but when you're firing out of the side of a flying ship you REALLY need finer control then an analog stick.

Also, for guns...current gun tactics are being heavily influenced by peoples ability (or lack thereof) to aim properly.


Please. Please. Please get this worked in. It'll radically change the testing and the feedback. Do not put this off or you'll feel the pain later of having to considerably re-work balancing.

Played a couple matches so far and I can tell you that my tactics are going to change radically with a keyboard + mouse combo. Right now we're forced to strafe and what not because no one can aim worth a damn.

Please. Please. Please get this worked in. It'll radically change the testing and the feedback. Do not put this off or you'll feel the pain later of having to considerably re-work balancing.

Seriously, give us kb support! I broke r1 button on both of my controllers

Is that why you're only using Swarmlauncher .........

And yes KB\M should be implemented. But there's a lot of stuff that needs to be corrected first. If they can scrap in the KBM at the same time, then great. Otherwise, come on the controller isn't that bad.

Blah blah blah.. You guys are all clearly either PS3 or PC gamers not both.

In other words, your two thumbs (unless you somehow have more) are on the 2 sticks, when your triggers fingers are on the shoulder buttons. If you want to jump, you have to remove one of your thumbs from a stick to hit a jump button. Right? Well on the M/K you just tap jump with your thumb while still having all your fingers on other buttons such as reload, move, look, shoot, talk. Etc. THIS is about the only advantage they have over each other. I myself am more comfortable with a mouse and keyboard when it comes to an FPS scenario, because I find it easier to pinpoint heads and the likes, because I'm rocking a super high DPI gamer mouse. Now on the other hand. Some people truly truly suck with a mouse and keyboard, and yet are extremely fast with a controller and very accurate.

They are both awesome sauce ways to control a game, you use what you're best at. If someone is great with a controller they are not going to complain that they are being owned by a keyboard and mouse user, and like-wise. Anyone saying otherwise is just an elitist idiot. Good day to you sir.

(one thing I will say though, the PC as far as keyboard/mouse and voice chat communications is much better than a console)

I'm personally excited to see what some people can do with a mouse and keyboard. You better believe I'll still be taking them out with my DS3.

It depends on how CCP balances the mouse and keyboard. If they balance it well so its about equal if you're using either one, yea you'll be taking them out. But if they give all the power to the mouse & keyboard like its a PC game, you'll have ZERO chance against skilled KB/M users. Sorry, but KB/M are much much faster, accurate, and precise. I hope they balance it well so we don't have unfair advantages.

Personally i highly doubt it's going to make much of a difference.

Alternate input methods like the KB/M should be given a lot of time and thought. not rushed out to please a relatively small amount of players.

With more and more people using workarounds like these it is just a matter of time until the devs have to enable kb/mouse in most competitive FPS games: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/21/playstation-3-shooters-no-kbmouse-no-problemo/

Especially in MMOFPS games where every kill matters.

Don't pin this on DS3, not our fault you guys can't aim.

Sure there are some good players right now, but it's been my experience that most people on Dust can't aim. Although I feel that has something to do with the game right now. Controls feel clunky.

Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.

You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!

Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance.

Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.

You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!

Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance.

Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.

You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!

Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance.

You appear to be confusing a request thread with a discussion thread...

CCP has already said support will be included. We're just requesting it be made available sooner rather than later.

Honestly don't see the point of adding KB/M support to a console game just to have it gimped. If it's not gimped then they will lose the people they made the game for. I also find it funny how some people have the nerve to say hey if you're getting beat by KB/M use KB/M... How about you get good with a controller!

CCP put KB/M support in game you will lose the people you are making the game for EVE players have EVE if they can't handle controllers on a CONSOLE game then good riddance!

Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.

You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!

Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance.

I think that is very bad idea at all to do any FPS on Console, specially DUST. at least should be 2 versions PC/PS. And im think KBM is a must, i cant play any FPS on joystick... FPS its is a high dynamic game and control in it should be comfortable. i cant say that any controller ( no KBM) can provide comfort at FPS.
So i hope this game will released with KBM support.

Honestly don't see the point of adding KB/M support to a console game just to have it gimped. If it's not gimped then they will lose the people they made the game for. I also find it funny how some people have the nerve to say hey if you're getting beat by KB/M use KB/M... How about you get good with a controller!

CCP put KB/M support in game you will lose the people you are making the game for EVE players have EVE if they can't handle controllers on a CONSOLE game then good riddance!

All I can say for now is that I really can't beta-test the game properly because I spend about 80% of gameplay time fighting DualShock 3 instead of actually playing the game and fighting other people :-)

All I can say for now is that I really can't beta-test the game properly because I spend about 80% of gameplay time fighting DualShock 3 instead of actually playing the game and fighting other people :-)

Also one last thing to keep in mind, anyone running a Fatboy PS3 will not be able to use KBM without the additional purchase of an Eagle Eye. There are only 2 USB ports on the fat ps3 (unless the later models added more, but mine has only two). One of those USB ports has to be a mic, so you could use a keyboard or a mouse but not both. So a good chunk of the players would have to buy a $50-60 converter on top of a new KBM if they don't have one not in use. Not many people will be willing to do that.

The very best of console player will get beat by an average KBM almost everytime. If you don't believe me try it for yourself. Buy a USB controller for your PC (They're pretty cheap probably around $20) and play any PC FPS. Watch how non-competitive you are. Only way both methods of control, controller & KBM, can play on the same level in the same game is by somehow gimping KBM.

To me the easy answer is just don't add KBM support. If it is added one of two things will happen. A) It will be gimped and the KBM user will **** and moan. If you give an inch they will take a mile, people have this misplaced sense of entitlement. B)You will need a KBM to be competitive. New people will join the game and get wrecked by the 10% that have KBM, they will get frustrated and uninstall. Requiring additional accessories for a game is usually a bad idea, and a KBM will be required.

Also one last thing to keep in mind, anyone running a Fatboy PS3 will not be able to use KBM without the additional purchase of an Eagle Eye. There are only 2 USB ports on the fat ps3 (unless the later models added more, but mine has only two). One of those USB ports has to be a mic, so you could use a keyboard or a mouse but not both. So a good chunk of the players would have to buy a $50-60 converter on top of a new KBM if they don't have one not in use. Not many people will be willing to do that.

SoonGäó

Blah blah blah.. You guys are all clearly either PS3 or PC gamers not both.

I've been using the mouse and keyboard to pew pew for like 20 years. And I've been using controllers since they first threw analogues in to consoles with Golden Eye on the N64. There are a LOT of advantages to mouse and keyboard vs controller.. such as the ability to run, jump, turn and fire all at the same time lol. I noticed this myself when I tried to play borderlands for fun on my PC using an xbox controller. The problem with a controller is you can only press so many buttons at a given time.

In other words, your two thumbs (unless you somehow have more) are on the 2 sticks, when your triggers fingers are on the shoulder buttons. If you want to jump, you have to remove one of your thumbs from a stick to hit a jump button. Right? Well on the M/K you just tap jump with your thumb while still having all your fingers on other buttons such as reload, move, look, shoot, talk. Etc. THIS is about the only advantage they have over each other. I myself am more comfortable with a mouse and keyboard when it comes to an FPS scenario, because I find it easier to pinpoint heads and the likes, because I'm rocking a super high DPI gamer mouse. Now on the other hand. Some people truly truly suck with a mouse and keyboard, and yet are extremely fast with a controller and very accurate.

I have seen pro gamers in tournaments using consoles for games such as CoD etc.. and they would most likely wipe the floor with your average mouse and keyboard user and likely stand their ground with a keyboard and mouse pro. When it comes to things such as target acquisition and shooting etc. To say one is vastly superior over the other and going to wipe the floor is a naive and foolish thing. Now if it was Grim on a PC vs Grim on a console. I would most likely destroy my console counter-part with ease.

They are both awesome sauce ways to control a game, you use what you're best at. If someone is great with a controller they are not going to complain that they are being owned by a keyboard and mouse user, and like-wise. Anyone saying otherwise is just an elitist idiot. Good day to you sir.



You're missing an important piece of information. Auto aim. Virtually all console fps have it and gently moves the reticule towards the enemy. This is why console gamers often look and feel really accurate. Dust doesn't have this and therefore no one is hitting the broadside of the barn. Pc gamers usually don't have this on pc games because the mouse is much more accurate. Mouse users are going to absolutely demolish unless the implement so e sort of controller only auto aim feature.

(one thing I will say though, the PC as far as keyboard/mouse and voice chat communications is much better than a console)

The overwhelming amount of community bias here is somewhat silly. CCP will get in KB+M support when they feel like it. Why should it be a priority for them?

In case you haven't really thought about it in the past, a vast majority of people who will play Dust 514 will not be PC gamers, they will be console gamers. Why would CCP waste time attempting to implement and test a feature that won't have that significant of an impact on the game? Additionally, one might entertain the notion that they don't actually want to include mouse and keyboard support at the moment because their player pool is terribly biased. Since the selection has been through Eve at the moment, it's reasonable to assume that more players in the beta are comfortable with the mouse and keyboard than not. Implementing the support would skew their current statistics in a way that is even less representative of the way the game will actually play on release than the current skewing.

Right now you have a playerbase of PC gamers. Of course ppl will whine for KB/M. The object of dust is not to convert PC players to PS3 players, it's to convert PS3 *FPS* players to Eve players, no?

From an FPS-players' PoV, never mix KB/M players and controller players. I can guarantee you some ppl will not play Dust because of this. Doing so is pure folly.

Xbox controller vs KBM would still be bad - I have months of gametime on FPS shooters on Xbox, play with sensitivity at max and still I know mouse-aiming is faster.

The problems with the PS3 controller are well-documented -- I know it's a different way of holding the controller on PS3 but it is still spongy, the convex joysticks are still more difficult to manoeuver precisley and they are simply just too small. PS3 controller vs KB/M -- forget it.

...but DUST is a console game! For console players. Not for PC gamers that bought their console just a week ago.

Mouse & keyboard in yet? Or can i stop trying to get em work?

just so you guys know you can already play with kbd and mouse on dust

i have the Eagle eye system and i must say its pure win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_H4oCxENnfs


and it works like it should

I've spent $500 to get a PS3 just to play DUST. Don't know if I want to spend another $100 to get KBM support which will (hopefully) be introduced for free SoonGäó.

I've spent $500 to get a PS3 just to play DUST. Don't know if I want to spend another $100 to get KBM support which will (hopefully) be introduced for free SoonGäó.

im sorry but if you spent 500 buck on a playstation i would request a refund.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PlayStation-3-320GB-Uncharted-3-Bundle-PS3/17352791

thats 299.96 there are some that are cheaper you can get used ones from gamestop for 150


so if you would have shopped around you would have saved you would have had cash on had to buy the cool gizmo that your all hot and bothered about

its not my fault you didnt spend your money wisely, your parents should have taught you to be better with your money.

Your parents should have taught you that there are other countries in the world besides USA in which taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slighly (or not so slightly, and I talk as a car importer) more expensive then you are used to.

Anyway the price is not the reason - a hundred bucks is not the sum which will ruin my budget and make me starve. I just don't want to buy things that will become useless to me in the nearest future. And as long as I'm not going to play any other PS3 FPS except DUST 514 cool gizmo like Eagle Eye will be pretty damn worthless.

And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified.

Furthermore, no one said you were required to buy Eagle Eye. He was merely offering you a solution to your problem.

And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified. Therefore, it was a safe assumption. After all, who says "That number sounds high, he must live somewhere where taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slightly more expensive than I'm used to." That's an absolutely stupid assumption to make.

I kinda answered about that in my previous post. It's a solution, yes. At the same time, It's not a resanoble enough solution for me and other people who bought PS3 to play DUST exclusively.

Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, you should assume nothing. Clearly it was not a safe assumption but a naive and ignorant one instead.

Based on your logic we should all assume you're morbidly obese, dropped out of high school and have no job or life. After all, you never specified.

Go be a troll elsehwere.

Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, you should assume nothing. Clearly it was not a safe assumption but a naive and ignorant one instead.

Based on your logic we should all assume you're morbidly obese, dropped out of high school and have no job or life. After all, you never specified.

Go be a troll elsehwere.

he probaly is


also did you know a baseball will orbit a 400 pound object at 3 meters in space.

The biggest advantage a mouse has over the stick is it can go from full speed to stop without overshoot. If the game gave movement inertia even with a mouse, I think that would go a long way towards balancing the controllers.

No... just no...

The overshoot is a result of the players actions and co-ordinations (or lack of) not the controller, don't start trying requesting inaccuracies be programmed into an input device of one set of users to compensate for a different set of users lower skill.

To me the easy answer is just don't add KBM support. If it is added one of two things will happen. A) It will be gimped and the KBM user will **** and moan. If you give an inch they will take a mile, people have this misplaced sense of entitlement. B)You will need a KBM to be competitive. New people will join the game and get wrecked by the 10% that have KBM, they will get frustrated and uninstall. Requiring additional accessories for a game is usually a bad idea, and a KBM will be required.

/unsign, -1, don't do it.



KBM is a mistake for reasons well stated.

-KBM has no place in my living room where my TV is. No where to put it. So I would be shuffling a laptop table, that my wife will hate, in and out and and spend hundreds on gaming KBM. I already need to budget for a good headset.

-My PS3 looks like **** on my computer monitors. Moving the PS3 to my office would mean the purchase of a small HDTV, in addition to the KBM. I have no idea where it would fit into my set up since my desk is already fully geeked out. I have already dumped $250 into Dust with the purchase of the PS3. Throw a TV and a good KBM, and headset on this and I am in it almost a $1000 USD just to be competitive? Yea right. I have two weeks to take back the PS3 which becomes more likely.

-The controller is more immersive. Obviously this is my opinion, but I still hold to that from occasional forays into KBM gaming, ie Skyrim. I gave up KBM for FPS after Doom 3

-As has been stated, you will alienate the non-Eve console dudes you are looking to draw into the game and drive everyone to KBM. If that's OK with CCP, why not make it a PC game in the first place?

Lots of selfish reasons here, but it is what it is. I would have been fine with this as a PC game, but don't make this a clusterFark for my life.

Khan

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No keyboard no mouse.

i love play in my couch after the work

I don't understand the argument. People that are used to playing KBM will be able to, and people that are used to playing with, and are effective at using a PS3 controllers will still be able to. So it's a win-win...

/unsign, -1, don't do it.



KBM is a mistake for reasons well stated.

-KBM has no place in my living room where my TV is. No where to put it. So I would be shuffling a laptop table, that my wife will hate, in and out and and spend hundreds on gaming KBM. I already need to budget for a good headset.

-My PS3 looks like **** on my computer monitors. Moving the PS3 to my office would mean the purchase of a small HDTV, in addition to the KBM. I have no idea where it would fit into my set up since my desk is already fully geeked out. I have already dumped $250 into Dust with the purchase of the PS3. Throw a TV and a good KBM, and headset on this and I am in it almost a $1000 USD just to be competitive? Yea right. I have two weeks to take back the PS3 which becomes more likely.

-The controller is more immersive. Obviously this is my opinion, but I still hold to that from occasional forays into KBM gaming, ie Skyrim. I gave up KBM for FPS after Doom 3

-As has been stated, you will alienate the non-Eve console dudes you are looking to draw into the game and drive everyone to KBM. If that's OK with CCP, why not make it a PC game in the first place?

Lots of selfish reasons here, but it is what it is. I would have been fine with this as a PC game, but don't make this a clusterFark for my life.

Khan

I guess using a wheel for driving games is unfair too and should be outlawed. Everyone should have to use the same rubbish input device.

Starting to think these controller trolls are just bad and think they'll get easy frags off the kb/m users as they adjust to a new input device if they manage to get their own way.

When kb/m goes in no one gets an advantage, we all get access to all the same input device options.

Didn't someone say they were going to try to support move also? are you going to throw your toys out of the pram over this as well? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kkg9GGVOU

Has anyone had any experience with the PS3 Move guns for controlling FPS's? I cant remember its exact name, but looks interesting.... or is just a bit gimmicky? I like the idea of KBM but I tend to favour controllers for FPS as I get bad RSI after using a mouse intensely all day at work.... Im looking forward to trying KBM when they implement it, but also wondered whether the move type controllers might be a happy medium...

Wow 7 pages of arguing over whether or not Dust should have KBM support. It's pretty obvious Dust is going to be cross platform on PC and consoles. Why wouldn't they give both crowds the same options.

...After all you wouldn't argue against people using control pads in PC games. Think about it.

DUST is a PS3 exclusive.

...After all you wouldn't argue against people using control pads in PC games. Think about it.

My thoughts on the matter...

K/M > Controller

No game has ever successfully integrated both control schemes without one being better than the other. There is a reason CS:GO scrapped the idea of their game having both platforms play together. I play both on consoles and the PC and I do prefer the K/M setup... however for the sake of this game I hope K/M is left out of the picture so that CPP doesn't need to waste resources on trying to balance something they will never have working 100%

Just my 2 cents,

Kevin

No, because it's an inferior control system in most cases and does not offer an advantage. It also is not an inherant component in a PC setup. Get it? Dust is on ps3. Ps3 uses controllers. Eve is on PC.. can you use a game pad in eve without a 3rd party hack?

My thoughts on the matter...

K/M > Controller

No game has ever successfully integrated both control schemes without one being better than the other. There is a reason CS:GO scrapped the idea of their game having both platforms play together. I play both on consoles and the PC and I do prefer the K/M setup... however for the sake of this game I hope K/M is left out of the picture so that CPP doesn't need to waste resources on trying to balance something they will never have working 100%

Just my 2 cents,

Kevin

The sharpshooter is very fun and can compete with mouse for point accuracy with good coding. It will need a snapshot button to be competitive and lots of tuning options for sensitivity and dead zones.

Also CCP, please use every button on the sharpshooter, including the fire select lever when you add support (which you confirmed after Socom 4/KZ3).

KB/M is bad on a console because that is not how most people have their console set up. It's usually hooked up to a TV, with a couch or a couple chairs, or a bean bag (lol) sitting in front of the TV for them to lounge while they shoot people. Everyone is well aware of the control advantage a keyboard and mouse offers over a controller.

If keyboard and mouse support is put into the game, and they do not find a way to handicap the kb/m control advantage, I'm going to disconnect my ps3 from my TV and drag it over to my computer desk and play it there with a kb/m. Now notice I said that I am going to do that.. most current console players likely will not care enough to do so.

If people have to go buy a special kb/m for ps3 just to have equal control ability, they will pass on this game

Basically for me, if Dust wasn't planning to have move support, I don't think I'd be playing it. I'm not that into shooters on console, but it is just so much fun with sharpshooter :D

Keyboards without some serious Keyboard customization by repathing keybinds to your preferred location can become the most uncomfortable thing to use the more complex the keyboard the more complex the keybinding. If KM is introduced to DUST it WILL need to introduce a fully selectable Keybinding system to be effective.

Some Keyboards also include Macro systems and can offer a massive advantage over others, this is a issue that most PC players know about and have to suffer if you cant afford that Razer Blackwidow Ultimate or the Logitech G19. The variety of Keyboards available offer varying differences in response and control, so much so that even a Keyboard user can have a massive advantage over another keyboard user.

The Mouse isn't as simple as it seems as well. There are a plethora of Mice out there that have multiple buttons I use the Naga Epic MMO it has 17 buttons on it and can make life quite easy when playing games it also has a great DPI sensitivity and in comparison to some other mice there is nothing that can beat it.

Now the PS3 Controller has a well designed ergonomic feel to it, it's massively better than the XBOX controller in it's design in that the way you hold your hands all the buttons match to where your fingers sit and you don't have to force your thumbs to sit in an unnatural position.

EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME CHANCE AND OPPORTUNITY AS EVERYONE ELSE.

dult, my hands are a little bigger, I find the PS3 controller the most uncomfortable thing ever. It's awkward to hold and actually use. The 360 controller is superior in design, functionality, weight and feel.

AND THEY WILL, everyone will have the option of using their preferred input device of, Controller, Move or Kb/m.
It's not like the game will ask you the first time you load it and then you're stuck with that selection forever.

AND THEY WILL, everyone will have the option of using their preferred input device of, Controller, Move or Kb/m.
It's not like the game will ask you the first time you load it and then you're stuck with that selection forever.

Sorry trip you are delusional.

The simple fact that K/M offers better turning and aiming response alone in comparison to the controller makes it far superior. It would be like giving a Ford KA and an Indie 500 racer to two drivers and telling them to race to the end of the street. It's obvious that the better performing vehicle will win I don't see how you seem to think the Ford KA has a chance against it.

The simple fact that not everyone will have KM for the PS3 means that there will be the Indie 500 players out there powning the Ford KA players. This makes the game unfair and unbalanced will force people not to play and destroy everything that this game is supposed to do.

Please leave the KM to the PC version of this game which will more than likely happen.

So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?

Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support

But, put the Ford KA driver in the indy car, and the indy driver in the Ford and my money is on the Ford... It's not all in the hardware but the skill of the user. .

LOL What you honestly think that a driver in a Ford KA can beat a driver in a Indy Car?

I never mentioned the quality of the driver in either car but you have intimated that the driver of the Indy car is better trained! You are truly delusional and should refrain from talking from now on! Try not twisting other peoples posts around to your benefit.

I don't care what CCP have said I am stating a simple fact that if KM is supported in DUST on the PS3 it will create division amongst players and force those that don't have KM to use on PS3 to not play reducing the audience for the game greatly. The amount of Console users out there with KM support for the PS3 is marginal in comparison to the Controller and as this will be a F2P game on the PSN I really doubt anyone without a KM will bother their backside to go out to buy one just to play this game!

It would be a fatal mistake for CCP to include it.

I'm a PC as well as a Console fan. I use the Keyboard way more than the Controller. I don't want KM on the Console because I understand there will be a massive division between players that can and cant. This alone is the sole reason why km should not be supported.

Just feels like you're exaggerating because you don't want kb/m. I don't think that division will be any more than the division created as new players are slaughtered on the battlefield by dudes who have accumulated 5 or 10 mil sp (or more), have jacked up their skills and run with better weapons and fits.

Just because a game supports kb/m doesn't mean you have to go out and get one, you don't have to go out and buy a wheel just to play need for speed. It's optional.



It'd be fatal not to after stating it'd be supported.



wah wah wah... tissue? seriously.

:D

wah wah wah... tissue? seriously.

I believe as long as DUST have native support for kb/mouse, this isnt going to be a issue since kbm is so cheap.

Anyway, as long as adapters exist, there will be allways people that will be using kbm, it wont just be as many as if there was no support.

The main issue would be if PS3 players had no easy access to kbm (as in having to buy an adapter) against pc gamers.

But since it seems to be nativelly supported, its a low effort move for ps3 controler players to make the move.

Yet to see the PS3 sold with K/M

Poor console gamers, clawing desperately to enforce an obviously substandard control mechanism. If you prefer a controller, then use a controller. If you're getting your **** stomped in by people using a keyboard and mouse, then plug in a keyboard and mouse.

Don't try to limit my options in order to preserve, through lack of competition, your preference for a poor control system.

Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.

You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!

Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance.

The PS3 isn't normally sold with multiple controllers, but most games support the use. =]

Correct, but a new controller that works with the 360 solves this issue by allowing you to remap any button to two shoulder buttons. So you could remap any two buttons that regularly forces you to remove your thumb from a stick to push.

The controller is the Razer ONZA and the only problem i have with it is the build quality. Razer shipped the controller out to fast with out properly stress testing it and so I was never able to get one that didn't kick the bucket on me in one way or another. The only other short coming is that Razer only made a controller for the 360. So what is needed is for another company to make an official controller like Razer with the same idea and just do a better job of it.

Edit: its possible the controller has improved as far as quality since i had one as mine was back when they were first released.

This is not the purpose of the BETA, I would agree with the thread getting locked and there be no further discussion about the topic.

As an addendum, KB/Mouse support has already been confirmed by CCP in official releases about Dust 514. To remove it now because some people don't like it and are scared of those who would use KB/Mouse could only be an absolute disaster.

This is not the purpose of the BETA, I would agree with the thread getting locked and there be no further discussion about the topic. KB/mouse is here to stay on the console, whether integrated into the game or used with an adapter like so many already do.

Here is a question for all you KM advocates.

If and when the KM support is implemented and it REQUIRED you to go out to the PSN Stores and purchase the DUST514 official Keyboard and Mouse because no other Keyboard and Mouse will be supported. Would you?

Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE.

It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse.

KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game.

Here is a question for all you KM advocates.

If and when the KM support is implemented and it REQUIRED you to go out to the PSN Stores and purchase the DUST514 official Keyboard and Mouse because no other Keyboard and Mouse will be supported. Would you?

It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller.

You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers.

They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase.

Wait a second. So your argument is legitimately, "I don't want you to use a keyboard and mouse because they're demonstrably better than using a controller and I prefer to use a controller and am afraid of change. And aiming"

That's so sad.

Oh yeah, because sucking with a controller and whining about KBM support for a CONSOLE GAME isn't sad, right?

I know that right now it may seem like a big deal to a lot of the Beta Testers because many, if not most of you, come from the PC world. But I can tell you right now as a console gamer when CCP announced that they would be adding KBM support for DUST (after initially saying there would be none...and pointedly made it known), that raised a whole bunch of question marks for the entire MAG community that was looking at buying this game.

since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around.
If mouse and keyboard support are built in from the perspective of preference, then I'm all for it. I've always believed that more options = better gaming experience. But if it leads to unbalancing the game and leading to a blatant advantage for those that use it, you might as well take the game off the PSN and port it PC (which I suspect you want anyways).

The vast majority of the players that are the target market for PS3 FPSs could not give two ***** about KBM support. They care about gameplay...and sadly, graphics (no really, graphics > balance for a lot of them). If it is discovered that KBM is indeed OP'd over the controller, you won't find converts, you'll find a lack of a player base.

If you cannot comprehend the hypocrisy in your line of thinking, I ask that you join BHD so I can have all the blithering idiots in one place.

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It's funny because the game is entirely free. It's also a beta, so all work, both graphically and otherwise, is subject to change. Which I'm sure it will.

Core gameplay before sparkles and glitter.

since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around.

It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller.

You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers.....

You are correct sir.
Mouse and keyboard is 100 times easier than controller for fine adjustments, pinpoint movement, and several other aspects. That's why if they do add it you guys won't stand a chance. It will totally unbalance the game. They need to leave it Controller only.

To address some of your other points. You are absolutely correct. We PC gamer never wanted dust on PSN. It ties into a PC PC MMORPG for God sake. WTF was CCP thinking!!? PSN is riddled with security issues, it is a **** poor network, and the PS3 is a **** poor platform for games.

Now to be completely honest I played for maybe 1 or 2 hours tonight. I wont be again.

Number one reason why graphics. They absolutely suck. Now i remember why i bought my ps3. It was at the time the cheapest blue ray player on the market. How any one can play a game on this POS graphics platform is beyond me.
Thank the beta for saving me $60. Won't be buying this game based on the graphics alone. It could be the greatest game in the world with the best content and best game features ever developed but if it looks like the back side of a blue ass'd baboon after he was gang raped by a pack of silver back gorilla's it isn't getting my vote or my $.

Sorry but i have to be honest here. I know you devs put a lot of work into it but you screwed your selves by choosing a console platform. If this was on PC and looked half as good as eve does not then I'd play. I suspect I am not the only one who thinks this either. I'm probably the only one who has said anything though

Anyone know if we are going to get the next build next week? Or will mouse and keyboard be included in that build?

It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller.

You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers.

They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase.

It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller.

You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers.

They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase.

I for one am looking forward to the infinite tears of KB+mouse fanboys when they get what they want and still are dominated by people who use controllers. You give them far too much credit.

Now if it was Grim on a PC vs Grim on a console. I would most likely destroy my console counter-part with ease.

And this thread proves my point, Bringing Computer Gamers to Dust 514 which is a CONSOLE game isn't going to bring nothing but a bunch of Complaining and yapping people wanting their keyboard and mouse. I mean Folks why did you buy a PS3 any way, i mean seriously? For those JUST PC GAMERS just stay on ya PC and let us PS3/PC GAMERS who have skill on both play DUST 514. I mean im tired of getting on here and seeing multiple post about the Keypad and mouse. if that is what yall want then why Dont yall just sit back and wait on the possible maybe never to come PC version of DUST 514... Or just play a console the way its meant to be played, with MOVE OR A DUAL SHOCK!!!

Dunno, kb+ mouse kinda improves their aiming but slows their movement, fine with me i can get to knife em easier.

And this thread proves my point, Bringing Computer Gamers to Dust 514 which is a CONSOLE game isn't going to bring nothing but a bunch of Complaining and yapping people wanting their keyboard and mouse. I mean Folks why did you buy a PS3 any way, i mean seriously? For those JUST PC GAMERS just stay on ya PC and let us PS3/PC GAMERS who have skill on both play DUST 514. I mean im tired of getting on here and seeing multiple post about the Keypad and mouse. if that is what yall want then why Dont yall just sit back and wait on the possible maybe never to come PC version of DUST 514... Or just play a console the way its meant to be played, with MOVE OR A DUAL SHOCK!!!

cant we all just agree to disagree? i mean wheres the love here?? now i think we should all have a big hug and have no more of it! the proof in the pudding will be the eating. as long as ccp are willing to support one or the other so if there is a clear advantage then they are willing to step in and help. what does it matter?

there has been a long standing rivalry between pc and console players. the issue is sort of muddied by the call of duty kids standing idly in the background making noises like "xx420xx" and "lol noscope u"

a lot of console gamers in this thread seem to be saying to get used to the controller but...why don't you guys get a keyboard and mouse and get used to that? it works both ways.

The ps3 has two usb's. So how can you use mic and KB/m?

Bluetooth, USB hub, etc.

I've got a keyboard with a couple of USB ports built into it. They still work hooked up to the PS3!

The PS3 has bluetooth ? O_o

I seriously doubt you could get a bluetooth USB dongle to work either.

Honestly don't see the point of adding KB/M support to a console game just to have it gimped. If it's not gimped then they will lose the people they made the game for. I also find it funny how some people have the nerve to say hey if you're getting beat by KB/M use KB/M... How about you get good with a controller!

CCP put KB/M support in game you will lose the people you are making the game for EVE players have EVE if they can't handle controllers on a CONSOLE game then good riddance!

These arguments for keeping kb/m out make no sense, additionally the argument about new people coming in and getting raped by the kb/m players and leaving again is the worst I've seen yet.

If that is going to happen, it's going to happen anyway. As new players come into the game, like in EVE, they're going to get destroyed by dudes who have been playing longer, have better skills and better equipment. That is far more likely to make them rage quit than a few dudes with kb/m.

Additionally if you think you need to spend 100's on a kb/m setup you're nuts. Any usb keyboard and mouse will work. You could spend $10 and be fine, you can spend nothing at all and keep using the controller, it's about choice, options and personal preference.

Stop making up poor arguments to support your own selfish desires of keeping kb/m out just because you don't want it.

toot toot

Even if the rest is kinda sucky, proving to other devs that a console CAN use KB&M for in game controll (would open ps3 up for a LOT more pc ports in many genre's)

Are controller users and KB+M user going ot be mixed in together in the same matches?

IF so, thats going to seriously suck for those that prefer the controller due to KB+M being far a superior method of control with better reactions.

They should be kept apart imo as if they're mixed together, the controller players are going to just grow tired of getting headshotted time and time again and pretty soon they'll just move on to another game, this shouldnt happen CCP.
At least include the option to play in controller/KB+M only lobbies.

All I have to say is this. If KB/M control has a big advantage over my DS3, I won't be playing this game nor will my 50 buddies. Shadow run on Xbox and PC had KB/M controls and the KB/M users had a significant advantage.

I think you guys should adapt to a controller, but I will wait and see.

dont let the door hit ya where the dog should have bit ya

Welcome to New Eden, Adapt or die

I lol if you are one of the ones whining for Kb/m, merely from the irony, and don't worry, the game will probably die if they include Kb/m so I guess that makes the adaptability rather pointless. The pragmatic truth is that kuken is right. CCP will alienate a large share of the market once people realise Kb\m support is in the game while only drawing in a marginal few, it makes no business or gameplay sense to me whatsoever as to why they would want it in the first place.

ccp really should do some market research into kb/m before applying them to find out how its going to A effect balance and B effect market appeal

I lol if you are one of the ones whining for Kb/m, merely from the irony, and don't worry, the game will probably die if they include Kb/m so I guess that makes the adaptability rather pointless. The pragmatic truth is that kuken is right. CCP will alienate a large share of the market once people realise Kb\m support is in the game while only drawing in a marginal few, it makes no business or gameplay sense to me whatsoever as to why they would want it in the first place.