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Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.27 22:26:00 - [1] - Quote +1 for KBM support. You don't take out steering wheel support in racing games because it is unfair to pad users and you don't take out arcade sticks in fighting games because it is unfair to pad users. So don't take out the best control method for FPS games. Given my time in this game where precision is an absolute necessity in some cases, I say that KBM support must also come with it. What I especially don't get is how pad users will always cry that it is unfair to pad users, but they think it is totally okay to be unfair to KBM users.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 00:34:00 - [2] - Quote bitcloudrzr wrote: I went from PC only, to PS3 only for gaming. Resistance 1 basically taught me how to use a controller and I know what you guys are going through. Just practice and you will get it, that and the game being patched. If you keep fighting with it and put up a bad attitude when you use it, of course nothing is going to change. If you guys really need assistance, I use something called a KontrolFreek. Attachment for the right analog stick that gives you a much better turn radius. I AM used to using a gamepad. I am consistently among the top players in many console FPS titles. But I cannot deny that KBM would make this game much better. It's simply a much better control scheme and leaving it out would be horrible for this title.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 00:36:00 - [3] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Turkatron Montag wrote: Meh, I think console players are scared And the game needs those "scared console players" or it will flop Those that don't care enough to get a keyboard and mouse won't care enough to notice.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 00:49:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: No one is arguing that it isn't a better control method(I'm not), but if it breaks balance, I'd rather leave it out. If it is getting nerfed to the point that there is no difference, than its a useless addition. Console games got along fine without kb/m and will be fine without it. Everyone seems to be so wrapped up in control schemes, when it's the game polish that will make more of a difference anyway. My argument is that, like MAG, Dust 514 is a PC FPS in console FPS clothing. Would gamepad players be outstripped by KBM players? Yes. But only because it would benefit from it that much. Though, I think it is a little late for the different control schemes being better than one another since Move support was added. And that is far more expensive than KBM is.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote bitcloudrzr wrote: A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using. Quite the contrary. A bad controller can make a game bad too. Like if the control method was clunky...or hard to aim. That might suck the enjoyment out of it.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:13:00 - [6] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Upset the majority to please the minority And unbalance the game while your at it Yea KB+M is a great idea PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone I'm certain that PS3 owners who don't at least own a desktop PC with USB KBM are in the minority. And even fewer would actually notice the difference. Meanwhile, the majority of gamers who are affluent enough to get a 10 dollar USB KBM will enjoy smoother controls and better gameplay.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:30:00 - [7] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: You don't get it Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage Just to appese the minority Because it'll be better for everyone in the end. Although I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to use better controls. Sure, it may take some getting used to but that getting used to period is very short.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:38:00 - [8] - Quote bitcloudrzr wrote: Consistency and balance outweigh adding in support for kb/m. Good idea. While we're at it, why don't we take away arcade pads from fighting games too? I'm sure fighting game fans will love that. It'll make it more consistent and balanced for the console players who are stubborn and refuse to upgrade but still expect to be better than everyone else.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:43:00 - [9] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Honestly, I think this is one of those promises they need to backpedal on. I was just playing Some CS:GO classic mode today and... They just really need to backpedal on this. It's gonna be a total disaster. I would be seriously disappointed if they just downgrade for the stubborn few who refuse to upgrade to KBM. :(
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:46:00 - [10] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M ... Why would someone prefer playing an FPS on a gamepad? KBM is far, FAR superior.

Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:52:00 - [11] - Quote Gamepad is a downgrade though. Proof is in the fact that it requires aim assist to be at all functional in an FPS while mice don't. As well as more buttons on a keyboard to switch weapons with. I imagine driving will be a lot easier on mouse and keyboard too since it is multiple buttons keyed to multiple fingers.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:54:00 - [12] - Quote Drake Lyons wrote: What other console games allow both KBM and controllers? Unreal Tournament 3 is a good example. Mostly because it would be dysfunctional on consoles without it.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:01:00 - [13] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: haha your incomprehension is hilarious I ask you this . Why would they release the game on console when PC is superior and the majority want to use and are better off with KB+M ?? Because they wanted a new audience to become part of the EVE community.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:02:00 - [14] - Quote W0olley wrote: Have you seen the Move controller on other FPS's? If anything your putting yourself at a disadvantage using it. I admit, I actually haven't seen move controllers in FPS games. Is it like Wii FPS controls?
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:06:00 - [15] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: And what controller dose that new audience use ?? Whatever the games allow. DS3, Move, KBM, arcade pads, driving steering wheel, etc. Though, you're acting like a majority of people will actually get mad at this. The casual player won't care. And the hardcore player will be willing to switch over.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:11:00 - [16] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: 'Cept if they do half of what they did to Shadowrun neither controller users or KB/M users will be happy. The auto aim they have in beta now is just god awful bad. More of a hindrance than a help 90% of the time. Yeah, I noticed this. This is actually part of the reason why scout shotties are so powerful and why I want KBM so bad. Then I can blow their heads off properly.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:16:00 - [17] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Who has balanced KB+M and game pad in a FPS before ?? Why do you think Dust will do it ?? People will fined out about getting owned by KB+M and will rage quit the game rightly or wrongly Its a free to play game. they need the console players to hang around How will they know that they got killed by someone with mouse and keyboard?
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:28:00 - [18] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: people talk while they play Dont you think the number one thing game pad users will shout when they get killed is " &%@* mouse players soo unfair" and so on And you seem to think that all console players are ignorant simpletons[/b][/i] The way you describe it, you make it sound as though they are blaming KBM as a scapegoat for their own shortcomings. I know I'd have trouble telling whether or not someone who killed me in this game was using KBM. But anyway, don't you think it is a little irrational to remove a more functional control method just because console players are used to an inferior one?
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:30:00 - [19] - Quote Asher Night wrote: Have you been a scout with a shotgun? I seriously don't notice any more "aim assist" (it's not auto-aim, that implies snapping on to a target and sticking as opposed to being guided to a target) than any other weapon. It might seem like it has more aim assist, but that's only because the closer you get, the more aim assist is noticeable - like most FPS's. I know I was testing out the shotty, and it does well one on one, but if there are two players attacking me I might as well not try. Often times it takes multiple shots on stationary targets, point blank range to kill anyone. I hope it stays that way too. Usually a good weapon one on one in CQC, but should always lose when outnumbered. Like any handheld weapon. The problem is actually how they erratically move around. I can deal with this on PC FPS. But in this game, this causes my reticle to move around with them, ****ing me up.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:46:00 - [20] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: They wouldn't know for sure but it would be a excuse. I was telling you how players would fined out about there being KB+M players Its not irrational Just like not letting a few drivers use a F1 car while the majority are in F3 cars is not irrational U could add time pens and other handicaps but the race would just be better off with everyone in the same car I'm afraid your analogy falls on deaf ears since I know diddly squat about racing.

Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 03:07:00 - [21] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: You don't need to, Just read the last bit " U could add time pens and other handicaps but the race would just be better off with everyone in the same car " I don't understand the difference between these cars. So I don't even know if they analogy applies.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 03:27:00 - [22] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: you seem to be confusing your subjective opinion with fact. More buttons, quicker reaction time, sharper controls and more ergonomically sound. I think it is well past the point of "opinion."

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