DUST Search - When can we play with MOUSE AND KEYBOARD

Shadukar Lykanthis wrote:

BattleCry1791 wrote:

David Malcom wrote:

BattleCry1791 wrote:

Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE.

It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse.

KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game.

Wait a second. So your argument is legitimately, "I don't want you to use a keyboard and mouse because they're demonstrably better than using a controller and I prefer to use a controller and am afraid of change. And aiming"

That's so sad.

Oh yeah, because sucking with a controller and whining about KBM support for a CONSOLE GAME isn't sad, right?

I know that right now it may seem like a big deal to a lot of the Beta Testers because many, if not most of you, come from the PC world. But I can tell you right now as a console gamer when CCP announced that they would be adding KBM support for DUST (after initially saying there would be none...and pointedly made it known), that raised a whole bunch of question marks for the entire MAG community that was looking at buying this game.

since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around.
If mouse and keyboard support are built in from the perspective of preference, then I'm all for it. I've always believed that more options = better gaming experience. But if it leads to unbalancing the game and leading to a blatant advantage for those that use it, you might as well take the game off the PSN and port it PC (which I suspect you want anyways).

The vast majority of the players that are the target market for PS3 FPSs could not give two ***** about KBM support. They care about gameplay...and sadly, graphics (no really, graphics > balance for a lot of them). If it is discovered that KBM is indeed OP'd over the controller, you won't find converts, you'll find a lack of a player base.

If you cannot comprehend the hypocrisy in your line of thinking, I ask that you join BHD so I can have all the blithering idiots in one place.

You are correct sir.
Mouse and keyboard is 100 times easier than controller for fine adjustments, pinpoint movement, and several other aspects. That's why if they do add it you guys won't stand a chance. It will totally unbalance the game. They need to leave it Controller only.

To address some of your other points. You are absolutely correct. We PC gamer never wanted dust on PSN. It ties into a PC PC MMORPG for God sake. WTF was CCP thinking!!? PSN is riddled with security issues, it is a **** poor network, and the PS3 is a **** poor platform for games.

Now to be completely honest I played for maybe 1 or 2 hours tonight. I wont be again.

Number one reason why graphics. They absolutely suck. Now i remember why i bought my ps3. It was at the time the cheapest blue ray player on the market. How any one can play a game on this POS graphics platform is beyond me.
Thank the beta for saving me $60. Won't be buying this game based on the graphics alone. It could be the greatest game in the world with the best content and best game features ever developed but if it looks like the back side of a blue ass'd baboon after he was gang raped by a pack of silver back gorilla's it isn't getting my vote or my $.

Sorry but i have to be honest here. I know you devs put a lot of work into it but you screwed your selves by choosing a console platform. If this was on PC and looked half as good as eve does not then I'd play. I suspect I am not the only one who thinks this either. I'm probably the only one who has said anything though

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[Veteran_David Malcom] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 01:15:00 - [181] - Quote Dillan NightStorm wrote: Here is a question for all you KM advocates. If and when the KM support is implemented and it REQUIRED you to go out to the PSN Stores and purchase the DUST514 official Keyboard and Mouse because no other Keyboard and Mouse will be supported. Would you? Of course. Don't be asinine. It's not a question of money. It's a question of play-style. Most of the people who want to use keyboard and mouse already went out and bought a PS3 (and sometimes a TV as well) just to play this game. You think having to buy a new keyboard and mouse would stop us?
[Veteran_FatalFlaw V1] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 01:17:00 - [182] - Quote It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller. You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers. They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase.
[Veteran_Pyain Amone] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 02:36:00 - [183] - Quote I really don't see, if they add KB and mouse support forceing any console gamer out if anything it might get more people into the game.
[Veteran_Fate Luso] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 02:41:00 - [184] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller. You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers. They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase. You need to realize that the pc "fanbase," as you call it, is the only reason this game even exists. Eve is not made for everyone and the small niche fanbase that eve has are going to be this games first players. Without us this game would not even have the funding to get developed nor the big single shard world that will be the greatest appeal for this game.
[Veteran_BattleCry1791] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 03:30:00 - [185] - Quote David Malcom wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE. It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse. KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game. Wait a second. So your argument is legitimately, "I don't want you to use a keyboard and mouse because they're demonstrably better than using a controller and I prefer to use a controller and am afraid of change. And aiming" That's so sad. Oh yeah, because sucking with a controller and whining about KBM support for a CONSOLE GAME isn't sad, right? I know that right now it may seem like a big deal to a lot of the Beta Testers because many, if not most of you, come from the PC world. But I can tell you right now as a console gamer when CCP announced that they would be adding KBM support for DUST (after initially saying there would be none...and pointedly made it known), that raised a whole bunch of question marks for the entire MAG community that was looking at buying this game. since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around. If mouse and keyboard support are built in from the perspective of preference, then I'm all for it. I've always believed that more options = better gaming experience. But if it leads to unbalancing the game and leading to a blatant advantage for those that use it, you might as well take the game off the PSN and port it PC (which I suspect you want anyways). The vast majority of the players that are the target market for PS3 FPSs could not give two ***** about KBM support. They care about gameplay...and sadly, graphics (no really, graphics > balance for a lot of them). If it is discovered that KBM is indeed OP'd over the controller, you won't find converts, you'll find a lack of a player base. If you cannot comprehend the hypocrisy in your line of thinking, I ask that you join BHD so I can have all the blithering idiots in one place.
[Veteran_Shadukar Lykanthis] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:24:00 - [186] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: David Malcom wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE. It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse. KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game. Wait a second. So your argument is legitimately, "I don't want you to use a keyboard and mouse because they're demonstrably better than using a controller and I prefer to use a controller and am afraid of change. And aiming" That's so sad. Oh yeah, because sucking with a controller and whining about KBM support for a CONSOLE GAME isn't sad, right? I know that right now it may seem like a big deal to a lot of the Beta Testers because many, if not most of you, come from the PC world. But I can tell you right now as a console gamer when CCP announced that they would be adding KBM support for DUST (after initially saying there would be none...and pointedly made it known), that raised a whole bunch of question marks for the entire MAG community that was looking at buying this game. since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around. If mouse and keyboard support are built in from the perspective of preference, then I'm all for it. I've always believed that more options = better gaming experience. But if it leads to unbalancing the game and leading to a blatant advantage for those that use it, you might as well take the game off the PSN and port it PC (which I suspect you want anyways). The vast majority of the players that are the target market for PS3 FPSs could not give two *** about KBM support. They care about gameplay...and sadly, graphics (no really, graphics > balance for a lot of them). If it is discovered that KBM is indeed OP'd over the controller, you won't find converts, you'll find a lack of a player base. If you cannot comprehend the hypocrisy in your line of thinking, I ask that you join BHD so I can have all the blithering idiots in one place. You are correct sir. Mouse and keyboard is 100 times easier than controller for fine adjustments, pinpoint movement, and several other aspects. That's why if they do add it you guys won't stand a chance. It will totally unbalance the game. They need to leave it Controller only. To address some of your other points. You are absolutely correct. We PC gamer never wanted dust on PSN. It ties into a PC PC MMORPG for God sake. WTF was CCP thinking!!? PSN is riddled with security issues, it is a poor network, and the PS3 is a ** poor platform for games. Now to be completely honest I played for maybe 1 or 2 hours tonight. I wont be again. Number one reason why graphics. They absolutely suck. Now i remember why i bought my ps3. It was at the time the cheapest blue ray player on the market. How any one can play a game on this POS graphics platform is beyond me. Thank the beta for saving me $60. Won't be buying this game based on the graphics alone. It could be the greatest game in the world with the best content and best game features ever developed but if it looks like the back side of a blue ass'd baboon after he was gang raped by a pack of silver back gorilla's it isn't getting my vote or my $. Sorry but i have to be honest here. I know you devs put a lot of work into it but you screwed your selves by choosing a console platform. If this was on PC and looked half as good as eve does not then I'd play. I suspect I am not the only one who thinks this either. I'm probably the only one who has said anything though
[Veteran_Chris Dangerfield] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:40:00 - [187] - Quote /sign me up
[Veteran_ZooSmel PoopLord] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 05:11:00 - [188] - Quote Shadukar Lykanthis wrote: -snip- It's funny because the game is entirely free. It's also a beta, so all work, both graphically and otherwise, is subject to change. Which I'm sure it will. Core gameplay before sparkles and glitter.
[Veteran_Preston Vex] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 11:04:00 - [189] - Quote Tried to huck it up yesterday, nothing happend. :( Well i was able to chat ingmame with keyboard!! So its allmost there i hope. o/
[Veteran_David Malcom] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 12:31:00 - [190] - Quote ZooSmel PoopLord wrote: Shadukar Lykanthis wrote: -snip- It's funny because the game is entirely free. It's also a beta, so all work, both graphically and otherwise, is subject to change. Which I'm sure it will. Core gameplay before sparkles and glitter. Yeah, the core gameplay is **** too. Everything that Dust does, Battlefield 2142 did much better. Like 10 years ago. I can only assume that since it was a PC game, CCP is hoping that console players have never heard of it.

[Veteran_Noc Tempre] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 12:42:00 - [191] - Quote I'll say it again. If they add movement momentum it won't make one hoot of difference the ergonomics of the controller for balance. They have a max, add a min. KISS
[Veteran_Nemesis 6139] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 12:45:00 - [192] - Quote One thing also to keep in mind, is that for this game, no matter which you are using (KB/M or controller), head shots don't mean diddly. We are all wearing shield/armor suits, so the trick is to deplete their suit before they do it to you. Just sayin'.
[Veteran_David Malcom] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 13:05:00 - [193] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around. Hi. I've been an Eve Online player since 2007. You're walking into our world. There's a pretty good chance that Dust is going to factor into sovereignty in Eve. Now, do you think that my corporation or my alliance will give a happy **** that some random console pubbie is afraid that allowing mouse and keyboard support is going to ruin his random, drop-in, hi-sec game? Try to look at the bigger picture. Alternatively, buy a mouse and keyboard. Either way, stop screaming that the sky is falling because some people prefer an alternate control method.
[Veteran_Templar Two] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 17:08:00 - [194] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller. You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers..... I agree. This is a PS3 game and even if the inclusion of KB& Mouse is admirable it will only create a division among payers.
[Veteran_System Ghost] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 17:19:00 - [195] - Quote KB/M will only make things better. When you think about it, the casual gamer will stick to highsec and use controllers while the serious gamers will use KB/M and get better contracts in nullsec. Even if there is a major difference in control between KB/M and controller, there are still ways to compete with KB/M WITH a controller. Things like the swarm launcher are a prime example of this, since it's a wide range of attack, controllers even with their serious lack of control can do well enough with them to play a good game. Things like assault rifles and any other non splash damage weapon will probably be used with KB/M . Ohh also, vehicles are nice with controller, in some ways better than a KB/M, so both sides CAN play together if people quit ******* bitching and use the equipment that best fits their control scheme. You can cry your ass off all you want, but if you do, it's like whining that you can't use KB/M in a flight sim when you have a million dollar fighter pilot head tracking system and high quality joystick to play with :P
[Veteran_Templar Two] 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 17:30:00 - [196] - Quote I just hope a friend of mine won't be playing using mouse and keyboard against any of us: he not only was/is a top world FPS player but his specialty was playing entire matches only scoring head shots
[Veteran_Skif] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 16:07:00 - [197] - Quote this thread deserves a bump
[Veteran_Fate Luso] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 16:32:00 - [198] - Quote Anyone know if we are going to get the next build next week? Or will mouse and keyboard be included in that build?
[Veteran_Nahlvat] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 16:37:00 - [199] - Quote Shadukar Lykanthis wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: David Malcom wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE. It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse. KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game. Wait a second. So your argument is legitimately, "I don't want you to use a keyboard and mouse because they're demonstrably better than using a controller and I prefer to use a controller and am afraid of change. And aiming" That's so sad. Oh yeah, because sucking with a controller and whining about KBM support for a CONSOLE GAME isn't sad, right? I know that right now it may seem like a big deal to a lot of the Beta Testers because many, if not most of you, come from the PC world. But I can tell you right now as a console gamer when CCP announced that they would be adding KBM support for DUST (after initially saying there would be none...and pointedly made it known), that raised a whole bunch of question marks for the entire MAG community that was looking at buying this game. since this is a console game, you're walking into our world, not the other way around. If mouse and keyboard support are built in from the perspective of preference, then I'm all for it. I've always believed that more options = better gaming experience. But if it leads to unbalancing the game and leading to a blatant advantage for those that use it, you might as well take the game off the PSN and port it PC (which I suspect you want anyways). The vast majority of the players that are the target market for PS3 FPSs could not give two *** about KBM support. They care about gameplay...and sadly, graphics (no really, graphics > balance for a lot of them). If it is discovered that KBM is indeed OP'd over the controller, you won't find converts, you'll find a lack of a player base. If you cannot comprehend the hypocrisy in your line of thinking, I ask that you join BHD so I can have all the blithering idiots in one place. You are correct sir. Mouse and keyboard is 100 times easier than controller for fine adjustments, pinpoint movement, and several other aspects. That's why if they do add it you guys won't stand a chance. It will totally unbalance the game. They need to leave it Controller only. To address some of your other points. You are absolutely correct. We PC gamer never wanted dust on PSN. It ties into a PC PC MMORPG for God sake. WTF was CCP thinking!!? PSN is riddled with security issues, it is a poor network, and the PS3 is a ** poor platform for games. Now to be completely honest I played for maybe 1 or 2 hours tonight. I wont be again. Number one reason why graphics. They absolutely suck. Now i remember why i bought my ps3. It was at the time the cheapest blue ray player on the market. How any one can play a game on this POS graphics platform is beyond me. Thank the beta for saving me $60. Won't be buying this game based on the graphics alone. It could be the greatest game in the world with the best content and best game features ever developed but if it looks like the back side of a blue ass'd baboon after he was gang raped by a pack of silver back gorilla's it isn't getting my vote or my $. Sorry but i have to be honest here. I know you devs put a lot of work into it but you screwed your selves by choosing a console platform. If this was on PC and looked half as good as eve does not then I'd play. I suspect I am not the only one who thinks this either. I'm probably the only one who has said anything though Ha!...The game will be free...
[Veteran_Skif] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 18:24:00 - [200] - Quote Fate Luso wrote: Anyone know if we are going to get the next build next week? Or will mouse and keyboard be included in that build? really doubt it

[Veteran_Velico Mors] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 19:37:00 - [201] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller. You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers. They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase. I for one am looking forward to the infinite tears of KB+mouse fanboys when they get what they want and still are dominated by people who use controllers. You give them far too much credit.
[Veteran_Sheldore TheConqueror] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 20:14:00 - [202] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: It's honestly not THAT difficult to learn to use a controller. You guys really think it will make your game that much better? The only thing it will accomplish is make a mouse and kb the status quo and force out a lot of console gamers. They should have just made it a pc game if they were going to cater to the tiny (by comparison) pc fanbase. The problem isnt learning how; its not that hard to learn to ride a bike either, but why would I want to when I already know how to drive a car and a car gets me where i want to go faster anyway? Velico Mors wrote: I for one am looking forward to the infinite tears of KB+mouse fanboys when they get what they want and still are dominated by people who use controllers. You give them far too much credit. Youre correct, and for 99% of players (probably 100% of people in this thread) it makes no difference, but it is unambiguous that the best KB/M players are better than the best controller players. For me its a matter of simplicity, i believe that the correct tool for the job is the mouse and keyboard. If you dont believe that is the case, fine, but dont blame me for asking for what i believe to be the correct tools to get the job done.
[Veteran_Maul555] 0	Posted - 2012.06.03 20:21:00 - [203] - Quote SOONGäó End of Thread
[Veteran_Sir Calibur] 0	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:37:00 - [204] - Quote /sign
[Veteran_Killerloli Inai] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 05:20:00 - [205] - Quote / waiting....
[Veteran_Elric Firestorm] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 07:13:00 - [206] - Quote /Signed I intend to play Dust from my desk on my second monitor while I play eve on the other screen.
[Veteran_Bearded Speedy] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 07:46:00 - [207] - Quote And this thread proves my point, Bringing Computer Gamers to Dust 514 which is a CONSOLE game isn't going to bring nothing but a bunch of Complaining and yapping people wanting their keyboard and mouse. I mean Folks why did you buy a PS3 any way, i mean seriously? For those JUST PC GAMERS just stay on ya PC and let us PS3/PC GAMERS who have skill on both play DUST 514. I mean im tired of getting on here and seeing multiple post about the Keypad and mouse. if that is what yall want then why Dont yall just sit back and wait on the possible maybe never to come PC version of DUST 514... Or just play a console the way its meant to be played, with MOVE OR A DUAL SHOCK!!!
[Veteran_UltraMind Regenersis] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 08:23:00 - [208] - Quote Grim Starwind wrote: Now if it was Grim on a PC vs Grim on a console. I would most likely destroy my console counter-part with ease. Seems to me that you have just proved that in a fight between two equal opponents that the one on KB + Mouse will win. And thats the point of NOT enabling extra control hardware.
[Veteran_Tripwire] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 08:27:00 - [209] - Quote Bearded Speedy wrote: And this thread proves my point, Bringing Computer Gamers to Dust 514 which is a CONSOLE game isn't going to bring nothing but a bunch of Complaining and yapping people wanting their keyboard and mouse. I mean Folks why did you buy a PS3 any way, i mean seriously? For those JUST PC GAMERS just stay on ya PC and let us PS3/PC GAMERS who have skill on both play DUST 514. I mean im tired of getting on here and seeing multiple post about the Keypad and mouse. if that is what yall want then why Dont yall just sit back and wait on the possible maybe never to come PC version of DUST 514... Or just play a console the way its meant to be played, with MOVE OR A DUAL SHOCK!!! Bad troll is bad... we don't care if it's a console game, we're here because CCP said the game would have kb/m support. The anti kb/m people have been doing far more complaining than those of us simply trying to get an update on when kb/m support will be added. But like has been said by others who actually support controllers, kb/m is not going to add this massive advantage, and no we wont cry when it goes in and all of a sudden we're not unbeatable super gamers. With the state of heavies, swarm launchers and spawn camping it's hardly going to make any difference what device you use, might as well let us be comfortable.
[Veteran_Chrono Spheric] 0	Posted - 2012.06.06 15:52:00 - [210] - Quote Are PS3 and kb/m users going to be separated? The integration of KBM and controllers in the same lobbies killed Shadowrun so damn fast. Most console gamers don't want to use a kb/m, so an environment that favours it would see a mass exodus.



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