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Geda Ambramotte
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:48:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote: History tells you that you cant have both on a console FPS
How so?
And even if: The gaming industry lives off of innovations. Without innovations, the whole industry would go down the drain. |
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Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:54:00 -
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Geda Ambramotte wrote:Fatmanpro wrote: History tells you that you cant have both on a console FPS
How so? And even if: The gaming industry lives off of innovations. Without innovations, the whole industry would go down the drain.
Everyone who has done it has wrecked there game
Others realise late and pull the feature just in time
Yes CCP who have made many console shooters are well placed to be the 1st to crack it![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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Verr Scetti
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:58:00 -
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/signGäó |
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:00:00 -
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Verr Scetti wrote:/signGäó
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Geda Ambramotte
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:36:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote:Geda Ambramotte wrote:Fatmanpro wrote: History tells you that you cant have both on a console FPS
How so? And even if: The gaming industry lives off of innovations. Without innovations, the whole industry would go down the drain. Everyone who has done it has wrecked there game
Others realise late and pull the feature just in time
Yes CCP who have made many console shooters are well placed to be the 1st to crack it![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
You say everyone, but don't give an example. Help me out here, I can't think of a shooter that actually tried to implement this feature. As far as I know, it has always been a no-go, although it has been thought of. |
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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:41:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine.
The problem is that KBM at 100 sensitivity is still basically just point and click and any smuck can use it at that speed, but DS3 at 100 is extremely difficult. Also WASD leads to unnatural twitchy movement that isn't possible with a joystick. KBM is easy mode no matter how you slice it, there's no way to balance it. |
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Calroon-514
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:41:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine. The problem is that KBM at 100 sensitivity is still basically just point and click and any smuck can use it at that speed, but DS3 at 100 is extremely difficult. Also WASD leads to unnatural twitchy movement that isn't possible with a joystick. KBM is easy mode no matter how you slice it, there's no way to balance it. Easy mode? Coming for the guy with aim assist. Do you even realize how hilarious you sound? |
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Posted - 2012.07.01 12:34:00 -
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How the hell would CCP balance this? Sounds like a terrible idea to cater to EVE players, while alienating everyone else.
Personally, I'm not going to alter my entertainment system to play one game. I'd rather play *that other MMO FPS* for the PC than get dominated by KBM players on the PS3. |
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charlesnette dalari
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Posted - 2012.07.01 12:42:00 -
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i have been using kb/m with dust since day one... a real mouse a cyborg R.A.T. not using splitfish or frag etc they suck. check out the following link to the Game input Multiplexer. it takes a little work to set up and configure the way you like but basically you need either a bluetooth dongle or an atmega chip cost is like $15 in parts you may already have. the bluetooth way is much easier and is what i use. I am able to change settings acceleration values key mapping etc so i turn on a dime and fine control etc. check it out might solve your kb/m needs it has mine. i use it with all ps3 games and you can save profiles for each game its awesome.
www.gimx.fr |
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PeopleCheatingInBeta
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.01 12:58:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?
Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support
I'm for that. controller sucks for aiming unless you're in a vehicle. However there is no mouse device for the PS3 whatsoever, keyboard yes mouse no. So to have mouse and keyboard it needs to be ported to the PC platform. Unless some company wants to make a mouse for the PS3 and DUST 514 supports it.
Oops spoke to soon, just found a few mouse devices online. The Eagle Eye looks pretty good. |
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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:09:00 -
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Calroon-514 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine. The problem is that KBM at 100 sensitivity is still basically just point and click and any smuck can use it at that speed, but DS3 at 100 is extremely difficult. Also WASD leads to unnatural twitchy movement that isn't possible with a joystick. KBM is easy mode no matter how you slice it, there's no way to balance it. Easy mode? Coming for the guy with aim assist. Do you even realize how hilarious you sound?
So, is KBM easier or not? can you guys please make up your minds? I mean, it's kind of entertaining watching you refute your own arguments and all, but it does get old after awhile. |
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daniel philp
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:19:00 -
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I see people own with the controllers and others with the KB/M it just comes down to whos good with what. |
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Grizzly Ant
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:29:00 -
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would it not be easier just to have seperate servers?? then people can use whatever they want.
i use a controller it's what i'm used to, i've tried to use a m+k and was truly awful and i can see how it would be the other way round. so simple answer - seperate servers |
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daniel philp
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:32:00 -
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Grizzly Ant wrote:would it not be easier just to have seperate servers?? then people can use whatever they want.
I don't think you understand what dust 514 is aiming to be.
Its going to be a first person shooter inside eve online so there are no two servers we all play together in one big game fighting for in game planets and isk we use to buy items in eve online. |
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Grizzly Ant
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:35:00 -
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daniel philp wrote:Grizzly Ant wrote:would it not be easier just to have seperate servers?? then people can use whatever they want. I don't think you understand what dust 514 is aiming to be. Its going to be a first person shooter inside eve online so there are no two servers we all play together in one big game fighting for in game planets and isk we use to buy items in eve online.
alright, that's a no then...
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daniel philp
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:37:00 -
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Grizzly Ant wrote:daniel philp wrote:Grizzly Ant wrote:would it not be easier just to have seperate servers?? then people can use whatever they want. I don't think you understand what dust 514 is aiming to be. Its going to be a first person shooter inside eve online so there are no two servers we all play together in one big game fighting for in game planets and isk we use to buy items in eve online. alright, that's a no then...
I think people just need to live with both and be happy lol, some people are good one with while others are good with the other lol.
I cant wait for KB/M I like it more lol |
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Grizzly Ant
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:43:00 -
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implement it and see what happens....what's the worst that can happen? until they sort the aiming for the controller and the overall feel of moving this is a moot point anyway! |
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Deathby Chair
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.03 21:21:00 -
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Antics aside.
Any update on this? |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:11:00 -
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Deathby Chair wrote:Antics aside.
Any update on this?
I believe it's in the next update, which could be as early as next weekend. Basically arguing against it now is a waste of time, as the build for the release is probably well into Sony QA testing and not gonna change.
I'm either going to mount my HDTV over my desk (kidding) or bring a TV tray into my living room, but I'll for sure try it out and see if I like it.
We'll probably get a whole month to play with it before next update, so people please hold your complaining about people being magically OP and blame it on the invisible KBM until at least week 2. ;) Besides, 1/2 of them will probably just be good at DS3. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:13:00 -
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KB/Mouse users will destroy everyone. This is why I'm going back to the PC. It's more comfortable in my opinion anyway. Is it all going to be wireless? If so you might as well not buy it anyway. If wired, well, that's going to look ridiculous in the living room. Might as well buy a PC at that point. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:20:00 -
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the reason you think you're having so much trouble with the controller is alot of the games fault- broken (unnecessary) aim assist, hit box, frame rate failures all combine, if you tried another FPS you would probably be surprised at how good you've gotten at the controller. |
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Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:45:00 -
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So when are we getting the M&K support? |
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:54:00 -
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tribu guybrush wrote:So when are we getting the M&K support? You're getting it soon unfortunately. |
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:31:00 -
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Ad ski wrote:tribu guybrush wrote:So when are we getting the M&K support? You're getting it soon unfortunately.
have you ever though that when this game was concepted that a console and keyboard and mouse might have always in the plan?
too bad we don't get the crows swooping in from space for bombing runs too ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
i can't wait. |
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:50:00 -
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im expecting the high amount of eve players in this beta atm will all start using m/kb, and only a handful of console players with ds3, im interested to see what happens when dust goes into open beta. there will be some hate towards ccp for adding this in open beta im sure, im just interested to see how this plays out. i dont think ccp understand the importance of balanced controls are on console, ccp, you have got some big balls to add m/kb to a console game i'll give you that.![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:50:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:Ad ski wrote:tribu guybrush wrote:So when are we getting the M&K support? You're getting it soon unfortunately. have you ever though that when this game was concepted that a console and keyboard and mouse might have always in the plan? too bad we don't get the crows swooping in from space for bombing runs too ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) i can't wait. I know it was always in the plan. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. |
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