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bitcloudrzr 4	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:00:00 - [271] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Quote: No one is arguing that it isn't a better control method(I'm not), but if it breaks balance, I'd rather leave it out. If it is getting nerfed to the point that there is no difference, than its a useless addition. Console games got along fine without kb/m and will be fine without it. Everyone seems to be so wrapped up in control schemes, when it's the game polish that will make more of a difference anyway. My argument is that, like MAG, Dust 514 is a PC FPS in console FPS clothing. Would gamepad players be outstripped by KBM players? Yes. But only because it would benefit from it that much. Though, I think it is a little late for the different control schemes being better than one another since Move support was added. And that is far more expensive than KBM is. Move controllers are not better than a DS3. Anecdotal evidence aside, there are signifiapcant advantages to having 1:1 control for view. They wouldn't implement this in other shooters if it was really unbalanced. MAG and Dust 514 are shooters plain and simple. Everyone getting so defence because of control schemes just needs to take a step back. There is no way they would imbalance the game in such a big way. A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:02:00 - [272] - Quote Upset the majority to please the minority And unbalance the game while your at it Yea KB+M is a great idea PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:04:00 - [273] - Quote bitcloudrzr wrote: A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using. Quite the contrary. A bad controller can make a game bad too. Like if the control method was clunky...or hard to aim. That might suck the enjoyment out of it.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:07:00 - [274] - Quote [quote=Move controllers are not better than a DS3. Anecdotal evidence aside, there are signifiapcant advantages to having 1:1 control for view. They wouldn't implement this in other shooters if it was really unbalanced. MAG and Dust 514 are shooters plain and simple. Everyone getting so defence because of control schemes just needs to take a step back. There is no way they would imbalance the game in such a big way. A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using.[/quote] Anyone who played shadowrun would disagree And seeing as how they pulled it from CS GO it seems Valve disagrees
bitcloudrzr 4	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:08:00 - [275] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: bitcloudrzr wrote: A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using. Quite the contrary. A bad controller can make a game bad too. Like if the control method was clunky...or hard to aim. That might suck the enjoyment out of it. The DS3 is technically the best of the controller and I've come to appreciate it over the years, just like my Razer Diamonback back in the day. If the gunplay sucks, most likely the game sucks and no accessory is going to help you. MAG could have stayed a success, but they dropped the ball so many times and Sony gave Zipper more than enough chances. Fatmanpro wrote: [quote=Move controllers are not better than a DS3. Anecdotal evidence aside, there are signifiapcant advantages to having 1:1 control for view. They wouldn't implement this in other shooters if it was really unbalanced. MAG and Dust 514 are shooters plain and simple. Everyone getting so defence because of control schemes just needs to take a step back. There is no way they would imbalance the game in such a big way. A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using. Anyone who played shadowrun would disagree And seeing as how they pulled it from CS GO it seems Valve disagrees [/quote] Move controls and motion controls in general are awful for tradition games. A mouse and analog sticks(kind of) move in a 2d space and a mouse is set to a much higher ratio of movement. I thought kb/m PS3 players just face PC players for CS: GO? I think we were talking about 2 different things.
Winscar Shinobi 50	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:11:00 - [276] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Upset the majority to please the minority And unbalance the game while your at it Yea KB+M is a great idea PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone There is already an almost disgusting among of aim assist in the game already.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:13:00 - [277] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: Upset the majority to please the minority And unbalance the game while your at it Yea KB+M is a great idea PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone I'm certain that PS3 owners who don't at least own a desktop PC with USB KBM are in the minority. And even fewer would actually notice the difference. Meanwhile, the majority of gamers who are affluent enough to get a 10 dollar USB KBM will enjoy smoother controls and better gameplay.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:27:00 - [278] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: Upset the majority to please the minority And unbalance the game while your at it Yea KB+M is a great idea PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone I'm certain that PS3 owners who don't at least own a desktop PC with USB KBM are in the minority. And even fewer would actually notice the difference. Meanwhile, the majority of gamers who are affluent enough to get a 10 dollar USB KBM will enjoy smoother controls and better gameplay. You don't get it Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage Just to appese the minority
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:30:00 - [279] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: You don't get it Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage Just to appese the minority Because it'll be better for everyone in the end. Although I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to use better controls. Sure, it may take some getting used to but that getting used to period is very short.
bitcloudrzr 4	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:34:00 - [280] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: You don't get it Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage Just to appese the minority Because it'll be better for everyone in the end. Although I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to use better controls. Sure, it may take some getting used to but that getting used to period is very short. Consistency and balance outweigh adding in support for kb/m.

Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:38:00 - [281] - Quote bitcloudrzr wrote: Consistency and balance outweigh adding in support for kb/m. Good idea. While we're at it, why don't we take away arcade pads from fighting games too? I'm sure fighting game fans will love that. It'll make it more consistent and balanced for the console players who are stubborn and refuse to upgrade but still expect to be better than everyone else.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:41:00 - [282] - Quote Honestly, I think this is one of those promises they need to backpedal on. I was just playing Some CS:GO classic mode today and... They just really need to backpedal on this. It's gonna be a total disaster.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:42:00 - [283] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: You don't get it Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage Just to appese the minority Because it'll be better for everyone in the end. Although I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to use better controls. Sure, it may take some getting used to but that getting used to period is very short. LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:43:00 - [284] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Honestly, I think this is one of those promises they need to backpedal on. I was just playing Some CS:GO classic mode today and... They just really need to backpedal on this. It's gonna be a total disaster. I would be seriously disappointed if they just downgrade for the stubborn few who refuse to upgrade to KBM. :(
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:46:00 - [285] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M ... Why would someone prefer playing an FPS on a gamepad? KBM is far, FAR superior.
bitcloudrzr 4	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:48:00 - [286] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: bitcloudrzr wrote: Consistency and balance outweigh adding in support for kb/m. Good idea. While we're at it, why don't we take away arcade pads from fighting games too? I'm sure fighting game fans will love that. It'll make it more consistent and balanced for the console players who are stubborn and refuse to upgrade but still expect to be better than everyone else. You do have a point, and we shouldn't be fighting each other over this. There are a lot of differences between a fight stick/pad to a kb/m though. Do you really think its just "a few" people who want this overturned?
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:49:00 - [287] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Honestly, I think this is one of those promises they need to backpedal on. I was just playing Some CS:GO classic mode today and... They just really need to backpedal on this. It's gonna be a total disaster. I would be seriously disappointed if they just downgrade for the stubborn few who refuse to upgrade to KBM. :( Few really you do know this is a console FPS dont you ?? I would be seriously disappointed if they just Add KB+M and unbalance the game for the stubborn few who refuse to upgrade to a game pad (fixed for you)
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:51:00 - [288] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M ... Why would someone prefer playing an FPS on a gamepad? KBM is far, FAR superior. Pointing and clicking on someone isn't fun. It takes no skill, a 5 year old can point and click on a person.
Drake Lyons Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:51:00 - [289] - Quote What other console games allow both KBM and controllers?
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:52:00 - [290] - Quote Seriously, this console comes with the controller - there's no "stubborn few" aside from those who want to play a console shooter at their desk like a massive neck beard.

Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:52:00 - [291] - Quote Gamepad is a downgrade though. Proof is in the fact that it requires aim assist to be at all functional in an FPS while mice don't. As well as more buttons on a keyboard to switch weapons with. I imagine driving will be a lot easier on mouse and keyboard too since it is multiple buttons keyed to multiple fingers.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:54:00 - [292] - Quote Drake Lyons wrote: What other console games allow both KBM and controllers? Unreal Tournament 3 is a good example. Mostly because it would be dysfunctional on consoles without it.
bitcloudrzr 4	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:54:00 - [293] - Quote Drake Lyons wrote: What other console games allow both KBM and controllers? UT3 PS3, but the drivers were awful and no one used it. The game in general is awful lol.
Drake Lyons Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:56:00 - [294] - Quote I guess what it comes down to is that CCP is very dedicated to adding KBM support. Which we will presumably be able to test as part of the beta, just as people are testing move controllers now. Anyone can point and shoot, so we shouldn't be able to use move? The move controller doesn't come with the console, so we shouldn't be able to use it, either? Guys, let's just see how it plays out. I can't think of a single console game that allows KBM and controllers in a meaningful or useful way, so I don't think anyone here has experienced the legendary imbalance that will then play out where KBM players simply dominate everyone else.
bitcloudrzr 4	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:57:00 - [295] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Gamepad is a downgrade though. Proof is in the fact that it requires aim assist to be at all functional in an FPS while mice don't. As well as more buttons on a keyboard to switch weapons with. I imagine driving will be a lot easier on mouse and keyboard too since it is multiple buttons keyed to multiple fingers. Driving with the R2 analog trigger means you can have different levels of speed and and analog stick will be better because you can have various levels of turn radius.
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:57:00 - [296] - Quote Turkatron Montag wrote: Meh, I think console players are scared because their "niche" customization that dominates everyone with a controller will be put to the test. K & M offers pure skill to overcome any obstacle. Not seeing who can break dance fight the fastest when you come across an enemy. I believe you have just created an Oxymoron for yourself. If Keyboard/Mouse is far more accurate and EASIER TO USE than a Playstation controller, doesn't that mean it takes LESS SKILL to use? Why indeed it does. Lower the skill cap for us PC players. We can't compete with the console users any other way... is what you appear to be saying. "K & M offers pure skill" rimshot I'm one of those players who do in fact find it much easier to use a mouse than a joystick, but if you try to sound "Elite" while begging for easier gameplay, that's just... just.... I really can't put a word on that.
Fatmanpro Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2012.06.28 01:58:00 - [297] - Quote Lilianna Sentinel wrote: Fatmanpro wrote: LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M ... Why would someone prefer playing an FPS on a gamepad? KBM is far, FAR superior. haha your incomprehension is hilarious I ask you this . Why would they release the game on console when PC is superior and the majority want to use and are better off with KB+M ??
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:01:00 - [298] - Quote Drake Lyons wrote: I guess what it comes down to is that CCP is very dedicated to adding KBM support. Which we will presumably be able to test as part of the beta, just as people are testing move controllers now. Anyone can point and shoot, so we shouldn't be able to use move? The move controller doesn't come with the console, so we shouldn't be able to use it, either? Guys, let's just see how it plays out. I can't think of a single console game that allows KBM and controllers in a meaningful or useful way, so I don't think anyone here has experienced the legendary imbalance that will then play out where KBM players simply dominate everyone else. Have you seen the Move controller on other FPS's? If anything your putting yourself at a disadvantage using it.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:01:00 - [299] - Quote Fatmanpro wrote: haha your incomprehension is hilarious I ask you this . Why would they release the game on console when PC is superior and the majority want to use and are better off with KB+M ?? Because they wanted a new audience to become part of the EVE community.
Lilianna Sentinel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2012.06.28 02:02:00 - [300] - Quote W0olley wrote: Have you seen the Move controller on other FPS's? If anything your putting yourself at a disadvantage using it. I admit, I actually haven't seen move controllers in FPS games. Is it like Wii FPS controls?



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