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Lavender Fields
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:09:00 -
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I would also love Mouse and Keyboard support to be implement ASAP.
Pressing down on the analog sticks kills my thumbs and controllers are terribly uncomfortable during extended play. (Not to mention it's a vastly inferior platform for gameplay.) |
Nihailus
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 23:39:00 -
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I was under impression this game would have Keyboard and Mouse support at one point, but according what I have heard and gathered so far it seems game is still in early work as we know.
Considering all the stuff they are implenting I'd assume controls, visual setting options will take place later on of the beta, and I honestly see no reason not to bring keyboards and mouses into Dust 514 considering most of "console gamers" I know already have said they could compete against someone with mouse and keyboard with no problem
Yet the fact they have already implented Move into it, which was just for presentation I believe. |
Chris Hero
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 12:28:00 -
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Move support was just probably implemented as a gesture of good faith towards Sony.
Ill be honest the more I think about it, the more ways we have to play the more ways we have to play and express the fighting desire in our hearts nay our souls... |
Xaero 514
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 12:44:00 -
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I don't want KB/M support to get an advantage, I want it because the DS3 is horrid for FPS. The L2 & R2 are so spongy and unresponsive it makes busting a out a quick nanohive, changing weapon and throwing grenades a sluggish and fiddly affair. The sticks aren't great either and L3 & R3 feel like an effort. I find the DS3 so poor it breaks the immersion I should feel when I'm playing. I can't just press the button safe in the knowledge that it's going to do what I want it to do.
I'm from a PC background so I welcome mouse and keyboard support, but I mostly play shooters on xbox these days and I even use a 360 controller to play Killzone. The 360 controller never lets me down when I'm in a tight situation, but on DUST the DS3 lets me down repeatedly.
I'm not going to 'adapt, die or quit', I want to play this game and if I'm to have fun playing it and play it for the longhaul I'm going to need a way better peripheral than the DS3. My 360 controller won't work with DUST so it looks like KB/M is my only option and I won't be the only one that feels this way. |
raqz xuneh
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:13:00 -
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like others have stated, unreal tournament 3 implemented k/m on the ps3, why not dust? it is a fps, btw and go hand-in-hand. but people are forgetting that this IS a console title, not a pc... and that ccp made it SPECIFICALLY for CONSOLE/PS3 PLAYERS! which means that the ds3 controller is priority. any other device would be an afterthought.
a k/m fps is a dime a dozen in the pc world... but i guess a dime is worth $$$ in the eve world.
... this discussion kind of reminds me of when the joystick mod/hack appeared on eve and everyone started crying and making accusations... it is interesting to see how things flipped... |
Corvus Ravensong
Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:43:00 -
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Since turn speed is capped by your drop suit already - why not impliment all 3 and let us all duke it out?
I'm sure some of you guys here could wipe the floor with me, regardless of what interface we use.
I still want mouse and keyboard support - I don't want to have any excuses in Dust. If I have M&KB controll and you wipe the floor with me, well damn, I have to admit that you are just plain old better than me.
Besides, wouldn't stroke your E-peen even more to know that the guy you just killed IS using his prefered controll layout, and he has NO excuse for having had gotten killed? |
SurgeTheDrink
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:51:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:SoonGäó The fact that he said soon, He is a Dev and if he said soon then it will be soon. Its not a normal "player" its a dev who said it.. I trust em. |
Aurileus Storm
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.29 14:32:00 -
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Xaero 514 wrote:I don't want KB/M support to get an advantage, I want it because the DS3 is horrid for FPS. The L2 & R2 are so spongy and unresponsive it makes busting a out a quick nanohive, changing weapon and throwing grenades a sluggish and fiddly affair. The sticks aren't great either and L3 & R3 feel like an effort. I find the DS3 so poor it breaks the immersion I should feel when I'm playing. I can't just press the button safe in the knowledge that it's going to do what I want it to do.
I'm from a PC background so I welcome mouse and keyboard support, but I mostly play shooters on xbox these days and I even use a 360 controller to play Killzone. The 360 controller never lets me down when I'm in a tight situation, but on DUST the DS3 lets me down repeatedly.
I'm not going to 'adapt, die or quit', I want to play this game and if I'm to have fun playing it and play it for the longhaul I'm going to need a way better peripheral than the DS3. My 360 controller won't work with DUST so it looks like KB/M is my only option and I won't be the only one that feels this way.
It honestly wouldn't matter if you were to have wanted it for an advantage in the first place. It was very shortsighted for someone to claim that you did seeing as all PS3 systems support mouse and keyboard use. If everyone can do it, there is no advantage in any case. I also would like to see some customization in the controller layout, which would go well with the release of keyboard and mouse support. This might help with some of the issues you have and I mostly agree with in regards to how the DS3 handles with the game. I personally would prefer keyboard and mouse on the ground but controller while in vehicles. Being able to customize both would be great. |
Jernau Gurgeh 101
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:39:00 -
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You get a PS3 with a dualshock controller(for better or worse),all games use it,this game will be no different IMO. It's a free to play title,If people perceive they are at an unfair advantage due to a peice of hardware they need not purchase for any other game on the platform they will just un-install and go back to ME3or BF. |
Angh Descartes
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 16:22:00 -
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I see no need for m+kb here. I'm fine with the dualshock, as much as I'm fine with m+kb in EVE. It's even better - every1 have same input device so all depends on your skills mostly. |
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Shinigami6 Test
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 17:53:00 -
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Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.29 17:54:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?
Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support
LOL
I guess I'm going to have to learn how to play a shooter with a mouse and keyboard, otherwise I'm going to get destroyed. |
Alexei Darkbloom
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:02:00 -
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Quote:When can we play with MOUSE AND KEYBOARD Hopefully if, and only if, this game is released on PC. Otherwise you'll break the experience of console gamers and the hopes of expanding the market for the Eve universe will die in the process. CCP needs to reconsider before stepping off that precipice. |
Shinigami6 Test
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:05:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?
Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support LOL I guess I'm going to have to learn how to play a shooter with a mouse and keyboard, otherwise I'm going to get destroyed.
LOL zup cargo. funny running into you here!
Anyways, personally, using the keyboard and mouse is more of a hassle than it sounds. I like the controller simply because it allows a player to use it in any position. when i game im usually laying in my bed. whereas, for kbnm you HAVE to be sitting down and your hands in that uncomfortable (for me) position. bottom line, its not just about better or worse, its about comfort. |
Genshi Soikutsu
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:17:00 -
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Keyboard + mouse support or not I'm indifferent.
I highly disagree with the op in terms of HIGHEST PRIORITY.
I'm already drafting up some improvement suggestions to the dev for only the gunplay.
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Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:23:00 -
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Shinigami6 Test wrote:Super Cargo wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?
Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support LOL I guess I'm going to have to learn how to play a shooter with a mouse and keyboard, otherwise I'm going to get destroyed. LOL zup cargo. funny running into you here! Anyways, personally, using the keyboard and mouse is more of a hassle than it sounds. I like the controller simply because it allows a player to use it in any position. when i game im usually laying in my bed. whereas, for kbnm you HAVE to be sitting down and your hands in that uncomfortable (for me) position. bottom line, its not just about better or worse, its about comfort.
MAG 4ever yo.
I didn't think about the comfort factor. I do much prefer console controllers for that very reason, so I can slouch and lay down while playing! |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:24:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:Are controller users and KB+M user going ot be mixed in together in the same matches?
IF so, thats going to seriously suck for those that prefer the controller due to KB+M being far a superior method of control with better reactions.
They should be kept apart imo as if they're mixed together, the controller players are going to just grow tired of getting headshotted time and time again and pretty soon they'll just move on to another game, this shouldnt happen CCP. At least include the option to play in controller/KB+M only lobbies.
lol look at the pc elites. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:26:00 -
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Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage.
bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:28:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine.
For my ego's sake, I hope you are right. |
Shinigami6 Test
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:30:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Super Cargo wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?
Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support LOL I guess I'm going to have to learn how to play a shooter with a mouse and keyboard, otherwise I'm going to get destroyed. LOL zup cargo. funny running into you here! Anyways, personally, using the keyboard and mouse is more of a hassle than it sounds. I like the controller simply because it allows a player to use it in any position. when i game im usually laying in my bed. whereas, for kbnm you HAVE to be sitting down and your hands in that uncomfortable (for me) position. bottom line, its not just about better or worse, its about comfort. MAG 4ever yo. I didn't think about the comfort factor. I do much prefer console controllers for that very reason, so I can slouch and lay down while playing!
Wait you played MAG too? I dont think we played together there. I remember you from brink, im in one of your videos.
on topic, +1 for the suggestion that there should be kbnm only lobbies.
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Shinigami6 Test
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 18:33:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine.
its not just about turn speed. there are other factors too like accuracy and precision. more specifically, even if the turning speed is locked, it is still easier for a kbnm player to hit the intended target |
Empleh Enoemos
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:37:00 -
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Shinigami6 Test wrote:crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine. its not just about turn speed. there are other factors too like accuracy and precision. more specifically, even if the turning speed is locked, it is still easier for a kbnm player to hit the intended target
i hope they dont allow KB&M, i would have to stop playing and im sure alot will leave because we all know a controller can match a Mouse for accuracy.... |
asuranD
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.30 05:34:00 -
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If they don't implement it then there's always XIM. |
Genshi Soikutsu
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.06.30 06:12:00 -
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After spending some time reflecting on DUST for some reason, even though I'll highly enjoy playing with KB+M on the PS3 I have a feeling CCP should scrap the whole idea.
Anyone else feel like integrating KB+M users with gamepad users will really kill the influx of having a fresh new userbase.
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Jack McReady
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Posted - 2012.06.30 06:15:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Shinigami6 Test wrote:Wow and i was so close to buying the mercenary pack, but now that i saw this thread i dont think i will. I dont feel like investing money on a game where im going to get my ass handed to me just because some players have an advantage. bulshit, the mouse is going to be locked to the same turning speeds as the controller. didn't you notice that small faster suits and turn thier head faster? That's by design. CCP is going to make it so when you want to swing around with the mouse to quickly kil someone behind you you have to wait as you slowly turn around, it'll be fine. the turning speed can be increased with the sensitivity settings |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.06.30 06:56:00 -
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Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game.
I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse.
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Geda Ambramotte
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:51:00 -
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Kovak Therim wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game. I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse.
Yeah, I practiced KB/M my whole life and I dont really feel like starting from scratch. I'm looking forward to support, because I just feel like DS3 (or controllers in general) are too clumsy. Its like giving a surgeon a rusty knife. Even the best surgeon will have problems dealing with it. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:59:00 -
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Geda Ambramotte wrote:Kovak Therim wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game. I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse. Yeah, I practiced KB/M my whole life and I dont really feel like starting from scratch. I'm looking forward to support, because I just feel like DS3 (or controllers in general) are too clumsy. Its like giving a surgeon a rusty knife. Even the best surgeon will have problems dealing with it.
More like giving a guy who uses a Katana a Claymore but he's to weak to use it
But yea lets unbalance the game so PC players will be happy on this console game |
Geda Ambramotte
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:34:00 -
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Fatmanpro wrote:Geda Ambramotte wrote:Kovak Therim wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game. I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse. Yeah, I practiced KB/M my whole life and I dont really feel like starting from scratch. I'm looking forward to support, because I just feel like DS3 (or controllers in general) are too clumsy. Its like giving a surgeon a rusty knife. Even the best surgeon will have problems dealing with it. More like giving a guy who uses a Katana a Claymore but he's to weak to use it But yea lets unbalance the game so PC players will be happy on this console game
Its nice of you to assume things I didn't even say. Lets break it down for you, shall we.
I don't want the game to be unbalanced. I see and accept the fact that KB/M is faster and more precise compared to a controller, but I'm pretty sure the guys at CCP know all that. Thats why I'm sure they have a plan to balance them.
Looking at your last sentence, I get the feeling that you don't want anybody als but hardcore console gamers to play this game. What is the problem with making it more accessible to others as well? CCP announced that they would give the option to chose between controller and KB/M, and as a PC player (shooterwise) I'm more appealed and accustomed to the whole KB/M setup. Just deal with it. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:41:00 -
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Geda Ambramotte wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:Geda Ambramotte wrote:Kovak Therim wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game. I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse. Yeah, I practiced KB/M my whole life and I dont really feel like starting from scratch. I'm looking forward to support, because I just feel like DS3 (or controllers in general) are too clumsy. Its like giving a surgeon a rusty knife. Even the best surgeon will have problems dealing with it. More like giving a guy who uses a Katana a Claymore but he's to weak to use it But yea lets unbalance the game so PC players will be happy on this console game Its nice of you to assume things I didn't even say. Lets break it down for you, shall we. I don't want the game to be unbalanced. I see and accept the fact that KB/M is faster and more precise compared to a controller, but I'm pretty sure the guys at CCP know all that. Thats why I'm sure they have a plan to balance them. Looking at your last sentence, I get the feeling that you don't want anybody als but hardcore console gamers to play this game. What is the problem with making it more accessible to others as well? CCP announced that they would give the option to chose between controller and KB/M, and as a PC player (shooterwise) I'm more appealed and accustomed to the whole KB/M setup. Just deal with it.
History tells you that you cant have both on a console FPS |
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