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[Veteran_Darkz azurr]
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:00:00 -
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i can see corps only having people that use kb/m only in them..you have controller ...gtfo my corp D: |
[Veteran_Surtur Reaperson]
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:10:00 -
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Dunno, kb+ mouse kinda improves their aiming but slows their movement, fine with me i can get to knife em easier. |
[Veteran_Jebus McKing]
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:34:00 -
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Surtur Reaperson wrote:Dunno, kb+ mouse kinda improves their aiming but slows their movement, fine with me i can get to knife em easier.
Slows movement? How that?
Anyway. CCP announced they would support KB+M and I'd always prefer KB+M over gamepad when playing shooter games though I don't have a problem to use a gamepad when I'm forced to.
more options > less options
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[Veteran_10mg PLUMBUM]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:19:00 -
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/sign |
[Veteran_Ourors]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:38:00 -
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believe you me, us eve players wanted dust on PC pretty badly, but we're stuck with this
also keyboard and mouse support is technically already in the game, unreal engine supports it by default, there's just some weird ps3 usb stuff going on in the background they have to handle |
[Veteran_Vetis Rex]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:45:00 -
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cant we all just agree to disagree? i mean wheres the love here?? now i think we should all have a big hug and have no more of it! the proof in the pudding will be the eating. as long as ccp are willing to support one or the other so if there is a clear advantage then they are willing to step in and help. what does it matter? |
[Veteran_Ourors]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:53:00 -
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Vetis Rex wrote:cant we all just agree to disagree? i mean wheres the love here?? now i think we should all have a big hug and have no more of it! the proof in the pudding will be the eating. as long as ccp are willing to support one or the other so if there is a clear advantage then they are willing to step in and help. what does it matter?
there has been a long standing rivalry between pc and console players. the issue is sort of muddied by the call of duty kids standing idly in the background making noises like "xx420xx" and "lol noscope u"
a lot of console gamers in this thread seem to be saying to get used to the controller but...why don't you guys get a keyboard and mouse and get used to that? it works both ways. |
[Veteran_Vetis Rex]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:59:00 -
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Ourors wrote:Vetis Rex wrote:cant we all just agree to disagree? i mean wheres the love here?? now i think we should all have a big hug and have no more of it! the proof in the pudding will be the eating. as long as ccp are willing to support one or the other so if there is a clear advantage then they are willing to step in and help. what does it matter? there has been a long standing rivalry between pc and console players. the issue is sort of muddied by the call of duty kids standing idly in the background making noises like "xx420xx" and "lol noscope u" a lot of console gamers in this thread seem to be saying to get used to the controller but...why don't you guys get a keyboard and mouse and get used to that? it works both ways.
believe me i know the fight. i have been a fps console and pc gamer and clocked serious hours on both. surly this whole arguement about whether kb/m will have an advantage over controller is irrelivent. no one knows until kb/m are introduced.
my point is as long as ccp are willing to step in and take action if players who use one do have a serious advantage over the other. |
[Veteran_Drommy Hood]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:01:00 -
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The ps3 has two usb's. So how can you use mic and KB/m? |
[Veteran_MrShooter01]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:08:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:The ps3 has two usb's. So how can you use mic and KB/m?
Bluetooth, USB hub, etc.
I've got a keyboard with a couple of USB ports built into it. They still work hooked up to the PS3! |
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[Veteran_System Ghost]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:28:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:The ps3 has two usb's. So how can you use mic and KB/m? Bluetooth, USB hub, etc. I've got a keyboard with a couple of USB ports built into it. They still work hooked up to the PS3!
The PS3 has bluetooth ? O_o
I seriously doubt you could get a bluetooth USB dongle to work either. |
[Veteran_Anonymous Mercenary]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:35:00 -
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System Ghost wrote:MrShooter01 wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:The ps3 has two usb's. So how can you use mic and KB/m? Bluetooth, USB hub, etc. I've got a keyboard with a couple of USB ports built into it. They still work hooked up to the PS3! The PS3 has bluetooth ? O_o I seriously doubt you could get a bluetooth USB dongle to work either.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but yeah. PS3s use BT for your controllers, KB/M, head sets and remotes. |
[Veteran_BeanBagKing dot]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:46:00 -
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/me hopes for this on the 29th
I'm not going to say it should be top priority, but I can't wait for the support. The reason I say it shouldn't be top priority is because, in the current build I can see, there's still bugs that hard lock the game or prevent respawning. Once those are fixed I imagine getting the controls they want available into the game so adjustments can be made should be a pretty big priority.
As for the whole KB/M vs Controller debate, I don't see why so many people begrudge others for using the input device that they're comfortable with. |
[Veteran_Osiris Greywolf]
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Posted - 2012.06.18 23:51:00 -
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I'd rather they didn't include kb/m support tbh, I think it could easily kill the game, and if CCP made this to establish a beachhead into the console market, why pander to a different audience? |
[Veteran_Anatoly Gasputin]
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Posted - 2012.06.19 00:31:00 -
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Umm.... If I am not completely mistaken Dust is a console game and consoles use pads as a default controller?
I play a lot of games both on pc and consoles and I find the complaining about "having a hard time in game because I lack the adaptability to use the controller." a bit silly to say the least. It's a console game and that in my opinion points to the console gamer audience more that to the pc gamers.
But the fact remains that KBM is coming and thus there is nothing we can debate here, padders (like me) just have to hope it won't be superior against the pad. That would be a sad day to witness.
I will be watching this thread since there are some funny (yes funny) debates going on and this saved my day  |
[Veteran_Phantom Humperdink]
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Posted - 2012.06.19 00:39:00 -
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No, give top priority to the stuff that will universally effect all the players before we work our way to the "bawwww can't aim" guys. |
[Veteran_PUT-PROTOMAN-IN GAME]
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:29:00 -
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Phantom Humperdink wrote:No, give top priority to the stuff that will universally effect all the players before we work our way to the "bawwww can't aim" guys.
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[Veteran_Dao Ferret]
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:21:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:Honestly don't see the point of adding KB/M support to a console game just to have it gimped. If it's not gimped then they will lose the people they made the game for. I also find it funny how some people have the nerve to say hey if you're getting beat by KB/M use KB/M... How about you get good with a controller!
CCP put KB/M support in game you will lose the people you are making the game for EVE players have EVE if they can't handle controllers on a CONSOLE game then good riddance!
I'd say if the PC gamers from EVE come over to Dust on the Console and expect it to cater to their controller style, they should probably learn to "Adapt and get better or fail" (as they seem so fond of telling the Console gamers coming to the New Eden universe).
That said, since there are "other" solutions (like the hack to Bluetooth mentioned above), and since CCP announced it, I'll expect it to happen, and probably dust off my M/K skills (took me a while to make the transition to Controller, but hey, it may be easier to sell friends on playing also).
I hope there are tradeoffs to the controller schemes, but I'm afraid there won't be. |
[Veteran_Dao Ferret]
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:32:00 -
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Tripwire wrote:Khanstantine wrote:/unsign, -1, don't do it. Max Trichomes wrote:
To me the easy answer is just don't add KBM support. If it is added one of two things will happen. A) It will be gimped and the KBM user will **** and moan. If you give an inch they will take a mile, people have this misplaced sense of entitlement. B)You will need a KBM to be competitive. New people will join the game and get wrecked by the 10% that have KBM, they will get frustrated and uninstall. Requiring additional accessories for a game is usually a bad idea, and a KBM will be required.
KBM is a mistake for reasons well stated. -KBM has no place in my living room where my TV is. No where to put it. So I would be shuffling a laptop table, that my wife will hate, in and out and and spend hundreds on gaming KBM. I already need to budget for a good headset. -My PS3 looks like **** on my computer monitors. Moving the PS3 to my office would mean the purchase of a small HDTV, in addition to the KBM. I have no idea where it would fit into my set up since my desk is already fully geeked out. I have already dumped $250 into Dust with the purchase of the PS3. Throw a TV and a good KBM, and headset on this and I am in it almost a $1000 USD just to be competitive? Yea right. I have two weeks to take back the PS3 which becomes more likely. -The controller is more immersive. Obviously this is my opinion, but I still hold to that from occasional forays into KBM gaming, ie Skyrim. I gave up KBM for FPS after Doom 3 -As has been stated, you will alienate the non-Eve console dudes you are looking to draw into the game and drive everyone to KBM. If that's OK with CCP, why not make it a PC game in the first place? Lots of selfish reasons here, but it is what it is. I would have been fine with this as a PC game, but don't make this a clusterFark for my life. Khan These arguments for keeping kb/m out make no sense, additionally the argument about new people coming in and getting raped by the kb/m players and leaving again is the worst I've seen yet. If that is going to happen, it's going to happen anyway. As new players come into the game, like in EVE, they're going to get destroyed by dudes who have been playing longer, have better skills and better equipment. That is far more likely to make them rage quit than a few dudes with kb/m. Additionally if you think you need to spend 100's on a kb/m setup you're nuts. Any usb keyboard and mouse will work. You could spend $10 and be fine, you can spend nothing at all and keep using the controller, it's about choice, options and personal preference. Stop making up poor arguments to support your own selfish desires of keeping kb/m out just because you don't want it. toot toot
I agree with the idea that you don't need to spend $$$ on KB/M, but I also agree that the controller just takes getting used to.
I sucked the first 10-20 hours I played on the controller, even WITHOUT taking into account FPS or not. Its a skill that you need to level up to get good at.
As it is, I keep hitting different keys because I've spent enough time in a different Multi-Player game recently, that I need to "reteach" my muscle memory what buttons do what. Thats okay, that part of the process.
The truth is that MOST PS3s live in Living Rooms, and are not really set up for a KB/M which require a hard level surface in front of the player to place the devices, as opposed to a controller that just rests in your hands.
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[Veteran_Corvus Ravensong]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:32:00 -
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Walking in stations "soon" or like "in a couple more updates when it quits crashing our internal test platforms" "soon"?
KeyBoard and Mouse controll promises are part of why I applied for the beta.
Always disliked consoles for fps games, mostly because when I use my thumbs, I'm all thumbs. Then along comes CCP who not only promises me KB&M controll (ON A CONSOLE!!! BITCHIN!!) But also promises that I can take my ships in Eve and help decide the battles on the ground (IN A CONSOLE GAME!!!!! SUPER BITCHEN!!!)
Without KB&M controll, I'll be a player of the game, but will be satisfied to go out with militia gear and just designate targets for my own ships over on the Eve side to anniahalate.
Even if the rest is kinda sucky, proving to other devs that a console CAN use KB&M for in game controll (would open ps3 up for a LOT more pc ports in many genre's), and connecting Dust to Eve in a dynamic real time manner are not small accomplishments - but rather something I see shaking the future of both PC and console gaming.
Now if they can just kill all the bugs before release and make it not just a revolutionary game, but a great one as well........ |
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[Veteran_lllb]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 06:01:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:Even if the rest is kinda sucky, proving to other devs that a console CAN use KB&M for in game controll (would open ps3 up for a LOT more pc ports in many genre's)
Developers have known this for a long time. They don't include kb/m support for three reasons:
1. It creates an unlevel playing field.
2. Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony make a lot of money off peripherals.
3. There is no standard for stick input. Developers use different schemes for different games. This is what makes the XIM3 superior due to its "smart translators." |
[Veteran_Rhadiem]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:25:00 -
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looking forward to running my Razer mouse in Dust. I'm willing to be less comfortable if I can actually hit the thing I want to aim at.
I do have some FPS CQB Freeks which are helping a lot, but probably going to get the sniper ones for the aim side, that extra length sure helps overcome the spring tension for fine movement. |
[Veteran_Renzo kuken]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:59:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:Are controller users and KB+M user going ot be mixed in together in the same matches?
IF so, thats going to seriously suck for those that prefer the controller due to KB+M being far a superior method of control with better reactions.
They should be kept apart imo as if they're mixed together, the controller players are going to just grow tired of getting headshotted time and time again and pretty soon they'll just move on to another game, this shouldnt happen CCP.
At least include the option to play in controller/KB+M only lobbies.
or just plug in their KB/m
and if they dont have one they will go buy one
and if they cant buy one they arnt young enough to get a job to buy one so they will steal the family mouse and KB
i will be using KB/M when its supported along with my 55 inch Vizio LED TV :)
seriously guys the mouse and KB are cheap as hell dont buy smokes or skip out on that 60 sack and go buy a KB/M and settle for a 20 sack
then start talking **** the the controller users :) |
[Veteran_Lastwishez]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:21:00 -
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All I have to say is this. If KB/M control has a big advantage over my DS3, I won't be playing this game nor will my 50 buddies. Shadow run on Xbox and PC had KB/M controls and the KB/M users had a significant advantage.
I think you guys should adapt to a controller, but I will wait and see. |
[Veteran_Atholos Raahauge]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:26:00 -
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As long as they remove the damn dead zone, it's huge, it makes the controls feel sluggish.... It is more annoying than the freezing and lag. |
[Veteran_Renzo kuken]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 12:17:00 -
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Lastwishez wrote:All I have to say is this. If KB/M control has a big advantage over my DS3, I won't be playing this game nor will my 50 buddies. Shadow run on Xbox and PC had KB/M controls and the KB/M users had a significant advantage.
I think you guys should adapt to a controller, but I will wait and see.
dont let the door hit ya where the dog should have bit ya
Welcome to New Eden, Adapt or die
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[Veteran_Jmg24bad]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:43:00 -
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All i know is that this is a PS3 game. When games from sony get put on PC most people dont ask for a controller to be on it . (although I do crack heads open on the PC version of MAx Payne 3 with my PS3 controller lol) I say bring it on.
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[Veteran_Vetis Rex]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:46:00 -
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its threads like this that make me wish there was a poll system so we can realllllllly see how many players are for and how many against. |
[Veteran_Osiris Greywolf]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:52:00 -
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Renzo kuken wrote:Lastwishez wrote:All I have to say is this. If KB/M control has a big advantage over my DS3, I won't be playing this game nor will my 50 buddies. Shadow run on Xbox and PC had KB/M controls and the KB/M users had a significant advantage.
I think you guys should adapt to a controller, but I will wait and see. dont let the door hit ya where the dog should have bit ya Welcome to New Eden, Adapt or die
I lol if you are one of the ones whining for Kb/m, merely from the irony, and don't worry, the game will probably die if they include Kb/m so I guess that makes the adaptability rather pointless. The pragmatic truth is that kuken is right. CCP will alienate a large share of the market once people realise Kb\m support is in the game while only drawing in a marginal few, it makes no business or gameplay sense to me whatsoever as to why they would want it in the first place.
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[Veteran_Vetis Rex]
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Posted - 2012.06.23 17:55:00 -
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Osiris Greywolf wrote:Renzo kuken wrote:Lastwishez wrote:All I have to say is this. If KB/M control has a big advantage over my DS3, I won't be playing this game nor will my 50 buddies. Shadow run on Xbox and PC had KB/M controls and the KB/M users had a significant advantage.
I think you guys should adapt to a controller, but I will wait and see. dont let the door hit ya where the dog should have bit ya Welcome to New Eden, Adapt or die I lol if you are one of the ones whining for Kb/m, merely from the irony, and don't worry, the game will probably die if they include Kb/m so I guess that makes the adaptability rather pointless. The pragmatic truth is that kuken is right. CCP will alienate a large share of the market once people realise Kb\m support is in the game while only drawing in a marginal few, it makes no business or gameplay sense to me whatsoever as to why they would want it in the first place.
ccp really should do some market research into kb/m before applying them to find out how its going to A effect balance and B effect market appeal |
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