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[Veteran_Xndr 78th]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:49:00 -
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Gorse Bedala wrote:Right now you have a playerbase of PC gamers. Of course ppl will whine for KB/M. The object of dust is not to convert PC players to PS3 players, it's to convert PS3 *FPS* players to Eve players, no?
From an FPS-players' PoV, never mix KB/M players and controller players. I can guarantee you some ppl will not play Dust because of this. Doing so is pure folly.
Xbox controller vs KBM would still be bad - I have months of gametime on FPS shooters on Xbox, play with sensitivity at max and still I know mouse-aiming is faster.
The problems with the PS3 controller are well-documented -- I know it's a different way of holding the controller on PS3 but it is still spongy, the convex joysticks are still more difficult to manoeuver precisley and they are simply just too small. PS3 controller vs KB/M -- forget it.
^ Signed
Guys, you're so funny.
"Booo, I never played FPS on gamepad, it sucks, gimme my keyboard and mouse". What were you thinking that day you signed for CONSOLE FPS closed beta? Personally, I bought PS3 few months ago just to get used to gamepad controls and handling, and I was playing BF3 all theese months a little everyday just to be able not only shoot walls and clouds, but players sometimes. Because I was always a PC gamer and I was playing FPS only on mouse+kb.
Yeah, CCP announced kbm support, but honesly, I dont know how they'll merge theese two playstyles. Player with a controller will NEVER compete to a skilled KBM player. NEVER. It's obvious as roses are red and violets so on. Less precision, less handling - no matter if even you were born with a controller in your hands, you can not be compared to a KBM player. Thats why there are no crossplatform FPS at all (please dont mention Portal 2 it's not a "shooter") - because only thing that console player of such game can do - rage on forums about himself being constantly killed.
The other thing - right now almost everyone in this closed test (as looks for me) are PC games, including myself. Thats why so many of you demanding KBM support as sooner as possible, but DUST is a console game! For console players. Not for PC gamers that bought their console just a week ago. So yeah it may look right now that everyone want KBM support, but it's not. CCP must gain profit from DUST, so they must attract as many console players as they can. And will they wany KBM vs Controller battles? I dont think so.
I'm so concerned not because I turned into a PS3 *** in last 2 months. But because I'm really looking forward to this game and I want to play it on a controller or a mouse and keyboard - I dont care. And I'm a bit worried how CCP is gonna build up this gamepad AND kbm support, so PS3 (not EVE) community will accept it and donate more money so CCP can develop it further and I can shoot more mercs. Keep in mind the bigger picture - thousands of players prefer to play on a console controller, and this game is designed for a console.
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[Veteran_Victus Thule]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:44:00 -
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Xndr 78th wrote:...but DUST is a console game! For console players. Not for PC gamers that bought their console just a week ago.
I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. DUST is not just for console gamers. CCP's main playerbase is PC gamers, and they know what we want. They're making this for us just as much as they're making it for you. You have no "claim" to it. |
[Veteran_Of Course]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:51:00 -
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/signed |
[Veteran_Jerrison Youngblood]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:00:00 -
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hey, i paid for my eagleeye never wanted it more :).
But seriously, looking forward to straight K+M. |
[Veteran_jenza aranda]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:09:00 -
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while i would like the keyboard and mouse i really don't think this should be a priority, there are plenty of other more important decisions demand CPP's attention |
[Veteran_rigor mordus]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:10:00 -
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/sign
here from Denmark |
[Veteran_Prankster]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:23:00 -
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/sign |
[Veteran_whada grool]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:25:00 -
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/signed
From South africa
Jita uprising anyone?? xD
What I really want to know is when the M+KB will be introduced into the beta thats all :D |
[Veteran_whada grool]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:52:00 -
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Trapfood Guybrush wrote:Mouse & keyboard in yet? Or can i stop trying to get em work?
I sat for three hours like a dumbass restarting my PS3 to get my keyboard and mouse working!:D
I really am ******** and have the thumb co-ordination of someone with lepracy.. I would really appreciate a hasty implementation of KB+M support!
I think this is the only game that applies more intricate details and work to an FPS and would honestly want to see this game be enjoyable for everyone! Controllers or mousenuts a like should be able to play without compromise.. Thats whats so great about EVE, the fact that everyone can play and find it fun and interesting. |
[Veteran_Vassteel]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:09:00 -
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just so you guys know you can already play with kbd and mouse on dust
i have the Eagle eye system and i must say its pure win
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_H4oCxENnfs
and it works like it should |
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[Veteran_George Connor]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:34:00 -
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I've spent $500 to get a PS3 just to play DUST. Don't know if I want to spend another $100 to get KBM support which will (hopefully) be introduced for free SoonGäó.
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[Veteran_Walking Artillery]
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:44:00 -
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George Connor wrote:I've spent $500 to get a PS3 just to play DUST. Don't know if I want to spend another $100 to get KBM support which will (hopefully) be introduced for free SoonGäó.
Agreed.
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[Veteran_Raden Awset]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:18:00 -
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/sign
I have played a lot of games on ps3 and i have to say i have never had this kind of problem with aiming. I put rounds on target and keep them on target. also the other problem i see is that when you zoom movement is jerky to to no change in sensitivity. If im not mistaking most FPS decrease sensitivity when zoomed in. i think this would help some but when zoomed out it still just dose not feel right.
anyway M&K will make this game playable for me. as it is right now i cant even play because i just cant deal with the controller. I may buy a eagle eye to get around this because i really do want to play and help with the beta, i just cant do any good as it is right now. |
[Veteran_Vassteel]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:38:00 -
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George Connor wrote:I've spent $500 to get a PS3 just to play DUST. Don't know if I want to spend another $100 to get KBM support which will (hopefully) be introduced for free SoonGäó.
im sorry but if you spent 500 buck on a playstation i would request a refund.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/PlayStation-3-320GB-Uncharted-3-Bundle-PS3/17352791
thats 299.96 there are some that are cheaper you can get used ones from gamestop for 150
so if you would have shopped around you would have saved you would have had cash on had to buy the cool gizmo that your all hot and bothered about
its not my fault you didnt spend your money wisely, your parents should have taught you to be better with your money. |
[Veteran_TheWinterDragon]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:09:00 -
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/sign
<---Horrible with controller |
[Veteran_George Connor]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:12:00 -
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Vassteel wrote:im sorry but if you spent 500 buck on a playstation i would request a refund. http://www.walmart.com/ip/PlayStation-3-320GB-Uncharted-3-Bundle-PS3/17352791thats 299.96 there are some that are cheaper you can get used ones from gamestop for 150 so if you would have shopped around you would have saved you would have had cash on had to buy the cool gizmo that your all hot and bothered about its not my fault you didnt spend your money wisely, your parents should have taught you to be better with your money.
Your parents should have taught you that there are other countries in the world besides USA in which taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slighly (or not so slightly, and I talk as a car importer) more expensive then you are used to.
Anyway the price is not the reason - a hundred bucks is not the sum which will ruin my budget and make me starve. I just don't want to buy things that will become useless to me in the nearest future. And as long as I'm not going to play any other PS3 FPS except DUST 514 cool gizmo like Eagle Eye will be pretty damn worthless. |
[Veteran_Victus Thule]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:45:00 -
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George Connor wrote:
Your parents should have taught you that there are other countries in the world besides USA in which taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slighly (or not so slightly, and I talk as a car importer) more expensive then you are used to.
Anyway the price is not the reason - a hundred bucks is not the sum which will ruin my budget and make me starve. I just don't want to buy things that will become useless to me in the nearest future. And as long as I'm not going to play any other PS3 FPS except DUST 514 cool gizmo like Eagle Eye will be pretty damn worthless.
And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified. Therefore, it was a safe assumption. After all, who says "That number sounds high, he must live somewhere where taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slightly more expensive than I'm used to." That's an absolutely stupid assumption to make.
Furthermore, no one said you were required to buy Eagle Eye. He was merely offering you a solution to your problem. |
[Veteran_George Connor]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:08:00 -
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Victus Thule wrote:
And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified.
How exactly more specific could I've been? I've paid $500 for my PlayStation 3. Not in US Dollars, but I bothered to make quite accurate convertion. Do I need to specify exactly that I am not from States in every post, or just in ones where we're talking about me aquiring material goods? How am I bad-mannered if I'm not the guy who tells random people on the Internet they should "learn to use their money" without questioning myself "Am I the only person in the world who's smart enough to visit Walmart and see the price tag"? I'm trying to be ironic here. It's a shame you want to see me as the one who's trying to be rude or make someone mad.
Sigh... Always thought my lame grammar skills will explain everything 
Victus Thule wrote:Furthermore, no one said you were required to buy Eagle Eye. He was merely offering you a solution to your problem. I kinda answered about that in my previous post. It's a solution, yes. At the same time, It's not a resanoble enough solution for me and other people who bought PS3 to play DUST exclusively. |
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:40:00 -
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Victus Thule wrote:
And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified. Therefore, it was a safe assumption. After all, who says "That number sounds high, he must live somewhere where taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slightly more expensive than I'm used to." That's an absolutely stupid assumption to make.
Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, you should assume nothing. Clearly it was not a safe assumption but a naive and ignorant one instead.
Based on your logic we should all assume you're morbidly obese, dropped out of high school and have no job or life. After all, you never specified.
Go be a troll elsehwere. |
[Veteran_Victus Thule]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 08:28:00 -
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George Connor wrote: I kinda answered about that in my previous post. It's a solution, yes. At the same time, It's not a resanoble enough solution for me and other people who bought PS3 to play DUST exclusively.
My point was not to be a **** to someone who offered you a solution without knowing your financial constraints. Telling him how much you spent on your console doesn't change anything.
I apologize for being rude, and never claimed you should specify what country you're from every time you post. However, you have a number that is almost twice the cost of a PS3 in USD. In this case, we assumed you were ripped off or bought a shitload of useless accessories. That is why you should have been specific, not because we need your life's context before every post.
Tripwire wrote:Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, you should assume nothing. Clearly it was not a safe assumption but a naive and ignorant one instead.
Based on your logic we should all assume you're morbidly obese, dropped out of high school and have no job or life. After all, you never specified.
Go be a troll elsehwere.
I'm not attempting to be a troll. I was attempting to defend someone who offered a suggestion and was responded to rudely based on a safe assumption. By the way, if you never assumed anything, you'd never get anything done.
And, by the way, I do operate on the assumption that most of the people I'm talking to are male, but that's about it. The assumption wasn't ignorant because I'm quite sure he understands there's more than one type of dollar in existence. Hyperbole doesn't do much for you here.
"You should have specified" was in reference to differentiating between "dollar" currencies after having specified it was indeed dollars. I was not implying that he needs to be specific about everything he says. Although I love that you're trying to simultaneously denounce being specific and making assumptions.
I think it's also quite safe to say we're off topic, and this thread of discussion isn't getting us anywhere. A dev hasn't offered any real information, so there's no real reason for this thread to continue.
Fact: KBM will be implemented, SoonGäó. Pretty sure this is all we're gonna get. |
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[Veteran_Vassteel]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 08:38:00 -
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Tripwire wrote:Victus Thule wrote:
And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified. Therefore, it was a safe assumption. After all, who says "That number sounds high, he must live somewhere where taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slightly more expensive than I'm used to." That's an absolutely stupid assumption to make.
Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, you should assume nothing. Clearly it was not a safe assumption but a naive and ignorant one instead. Based on your logic we should all assume you're morbidly obese, dropped out of high school and have no job or life. After all, you never specified. Go be a troll elsehwere.
he probaly is
also did you know a baseball will orbit a 400 pound object at 3 meters in space. |
[Veteran_Noc Tempre]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:29:00 -
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Vassteel wrote:Tripwire wrote:Victus Thule wrote:
And yours should have taught you to be specific and to have manners. You never specified. Therefore, it was a safe assumption. After all, who says "That number sounds high, he must live somewhere where taxes, currency exchange rates and customs can make imported goods slightly more expensive than I'm used to." That's an absolutely stupid assumption to make.
Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups, you should assume nothing. Clearly it was not a safe assumption but a naive and ignorant one instead. Based on your logic we should all assume you're morbidly obese, dropped out of high school and have no job or life. After all, you never specified. Go be a troll elsehwere. he probaly is also did you know a baseball will orbit a 400 pound object at 3 meters in space.
Anything will orbit anything in space if the velocity, gravity, and masses are correct.
I hope KBM is added soon just to see what the fuss is about. I too am curious about the balance. Furthermore, can I throw out that I would like support for Nav+Mouse controller? |
[Veteran_Matarai Pulsar]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:46:00 -
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/sign
I'd really appreciate to get KB+M support sooner than later.
I can play games like Uncharted and aim with the PS3-controller but especially in FPS i always have to think about the controller instead of what to do in the game.
On the other hand: Dust is a nice "comedy-game" atm.
The last time my girlfriend and i had a pretty good laugh when i tried to shoot someone and hit nothing but DUST (ah thats where the name comes from  ).
Finally i had to stop playing (unable to breath because of extensive laughing) when we realized the other guy seems to have the same problems. Circling each other we fired round after round and where unable to get a clear shot.
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[Veteran_Noc Tempre]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 12:57:00 -
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The biggest advantage a mouse has over the stick is it can go from full speed to stop without overshoot. If the game gave movement inertia even with a mouse, I think that would go a long way towards balancing the controllers. |
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:42:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:The biggest advantage a mouse has over the stick is it can go from full speed to stop without overshoot. If the game gave movement inertia even with a mouse, I think that would go a long way towards balancing the controllers.
No... just no...
The overshoot is a result of the players actions and co-ordinations (or lack of) not the controller, don't start requesting inaccuracies be programmed into an input device of one set of users to compensate for a different set of users lower skill. |
[Veteran_Noc Tempre]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:52:00 -
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Tripwire wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:The biggest advantage a mouse has over the stick is it can go from full speed to stop without overshoot. If the game gave movement inertia even with a mouse, I think that would go a long way towards balancing the controllers. No... just no... The overshoot is a result of the players actions and co-ordinations (or lack of) not the controller, don't start trying requesting inaccuracies be programmed into an input device of one set of users to compensate for a different set of users lower skill.
We're not talking something large. Think of how subtle the aim assist is in the game right now. Stopping instantly is the biggest thing a skilled controller user cannot do because the spring is mechanical. That .2 s of slowdown will not ruin the mouse but it may put them perfectly on par, although I'm inclined to believe they will still have other advantages. |
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:03:00 -
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I do get what your saying, but still think the input devices need to operate based on user input only without any additional compensations - outside of the possibly optional aim assist on the controller |
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:48:00 -
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For me the controller seems to remove some of the immersion from your surroundings, as others have pointed out
this type of game really needs M+K support to get the full experience from it.
I for one will not be able to play this after launch with only a controller, but then i have sucked at FPS on a controller
since golden eye on the N64 LOL |
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:49:00 -
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/unsign, -1, don't do it.
Max Trichomes wrote:
To me the easy answer is just don't add KBM support. If it is added one of two things will happen. A) It will be gimped and the KBM user will **** and moan. If you give an inch they will take a mile, people have this misplaced sense of entitlement. B)You will need a KBM to be competitive. New people will join the game and get wrecked by the 10% that have KBM, they will get frustrated and uninstall. Requiring additional accessories for a game is usually a bad idea, and a KBM will be required.
KBM is a mistake for reasons well stated.
-KBM has no place in my living room where my TV is. No where to put it. So I would be shuffling a laptop table, that my wife will hate, in and out and and spend hundreds on gaming KBM. I already need to budget for a good headset.
-My PS3 looks like **** on my computer monitors. Moving the PS3 to my office would mean the purchase of a small HDTV, in addition to the KBM. I have no idea where it would fit into my set up since my desk is already fully geeked out. I have already dumped $250 into Dust with the purchase of the PS3. Throw a TV and a good KBM, and headset on this and I am in it almost a $1000 USD just to be competitive? Yea right. I have two weeks to take back the PS3 which becomes more likely.
-The controller is more immersive. Obviously this is my opinion, but I still hold to that from occasional forays into KBM gaming, ie Skyrim. I gave up KBM for FPS after Doom 3
-As has been stated, you will alienate the non-Eve console dudes you are looking to draw into the game and drive everyone to KBM. If that's OK with CCP, why not make it a PC game in the first place?
Lots of selfish reasons here, but it is what it is. I would have been fine with this as a PC game, but don't make this a clusterFark for my life.
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[Veteran_Raphael Spencer]
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:22:00 -
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Just signing for KB/M feature to be implemented asap! |
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