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[Veteran_Maga]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 09:02:00 -
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haven't played dust for quite a while, so ccp still didnt add KbM support? |
[Veteran_Noc Tempre]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 09:21:00 -
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Let's allow ANY controller. CCP could program mappable controls so any USB HID device could be used just by plugging it in. I'm not asking for them to do the work of tweaking for every possible controller, at least at first, but if we're going to use the full capabilities of the PS3, use the FULL capabilities. HOTAS for mechs and dropships! |
[Veteran_Dillan NightStorm]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 09:58:00 -
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Tripwire wrote:
AND THEY WILL, everyone will have the option of using their preferred input device of, Controller, Move or Kb/m. It's not like the game will ask you the first time you load it and then you're stuck with that selection forever.
Sorry trip you are delusional.
The simple fact that K/M offers better turning and aiming response alone in comparison to the controller makes it far superior. It would be like giving a Ford KA and an Indie 500 racer to two drivers and telling them to race to the end of the street. It's obvious that the better performing vehicle will win I don't see how you seem to think the Ford KA has a chance against it.
Stop being so blind!
The simple fact that not everyone will have KM for the PS3 means that there will be the Indie 500 players out there powning the Ford KA players. This makes the game unfair and unbalanced will force people not to play and destroy everything that this game is supposed to do.
Please leave the KM to the PC version of this game which will more than likely happen. |
[Veteran_Tripwire]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:44:00 -
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Dillan NightStorm wrote: Sorry trip you are delusional.
right back at ya!!
Dillan NightStorm wrote: The simple fact that K/M offers better turning and aiming response alone in comparison to the controller makes it far superior. It would be like giving a Ford KA and an Indie 500 racer to two drivers and telling them to race to the end of the street. It's obvious that the better performing vehicle will win I don't see how you seem to think the Ford KA has a chance against it.
But, put the Ford KA driver in the indy car, and the indy driver in the Ford and my money is on the Ford... It's not all in the hardware but the skill of the user.
Dillan NightStorm wrote:The simple fact that not everyone will have KM for the PS3 means that there will be the Indie 500 players out there powning the Ford KA players. This makes the game unfair and unbalanced will force people not to play and destroy everything that this game is supposed to do.
Please leave the KM to the PC version of this game which will more than likely happen.
The simple fact that CCP said we'll have kb/m support on the PS3 means I don't care if you want it or not, or like it or not. Or how many totally stupid real life comparisons you can come up with.
One thing I will say though, while the difference between a highly skilled controller user and a highly skilled kb/m user might be marginal. The difference between the average contoller user and average kb/m user will be huge. |
[Veteran_Bad Furry]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:53:00 -
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Maga wrote:So CCP when can we play with mouse and keyboard?
Edit: Please sign under this thread if you feel that CCP should give highest priority to implement KBM support
NEVER !!!!!!!!! NOOB DONT YOU ALL REMEBER IN EA 3 CSS PC vs XBOX !!!!
NEVER NEVER !!!!! WE ALL KNOWS WHO WINS !!!! ALL WAYS WINS !!!! ALL WAYS PC ! so no. |
[Veteran_Dillan NightStorm]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:21:00 -
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Tripwire wrote: But, put the Ford KA driver in the indy car, and the indy driver in the Ford and my money is on the Ford... It's not all in the hardware but the skill of the user. .
LOL What you honestly think that a driver in a Ford KA can beat a driver in a Indy Car?
I never mentioned the quality of the driver in either car but you have intimated that the driver of the Indy car is better trained! You are truly delusional and should refrain from talking from now on! Try not twisting other peoples posts around to your benefit.
I don't care what CCP have said I am stating a simple fact that if KM is supported in DUST on the PS3 it will create division amongst players and force those that don't have KM to use on PS3 to not play reducing the audience for the game greatly. The amount of Console users out there with KM support for the PS3 is marginal in comparison to the Controller and as this will be a F2P game on the PSN I really doubt anyone without a KM will bother their backside to go out to buy one just to play this game!
It would be a fatal mistake for CCP to include it.
I'm a PC as well as a Console fan. I use the Keyboard way more than the Controller. I don't want KM on the Console because I understand there will be a massive division between players that can and cant. This alone is the sole reason why km should not be supported. |
[Veteran_Skar De Vil]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:23:00 -
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I want use mouse and keyboard! |
[Veteran_Tripwire]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:21:00 -
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Dillan NightStorm wrote:Tripwire wrote: But, put the Ford KA driver in the indy car, and the indy driver in the Ford and my money is on the Ford... It's not all in the hardware but the skill of the user. . LOL What you honestly think that a driver in a Ford KA can beat a driver in a Indy Car? I never mentioned the quality of the driver in either car but you have intimated that the driver of the Indy car is better trained! You are truly delusional and should refrain from talking from now on! Try not twisting other peoples posts around to your benefit.
You do exactly what it is you accuse others of... idgi... are you mental?
But apologies, your bad wording made it difficult to determine your point.
To clarifiy. 2 regular joes off the street, my money is on the Ford. 2 trained drivers, clearly the indy car would win.
This is also dependant on the actual physical length of the street, any turns it may have, the weather conditions, if the car is on slicks or not etc etc etc.. Additionally by definition an indy car would have trouble reaching top speed on a street so just because it can physically go faster doesn't mean it can in practice.
Not twisting anything for my benefit.
Stop trying to derail threads that are asking CCP when a feature will be included for your own.
Dillan NightStorm wrote: I don't care what CCP have said I am stating a simple fact that if KM is supported in DUST on the PS3 it will create division amongst players and force those that don't have KM to use on PS3 to not play reducing the audience for the game greatly. The amount of Console users out there with KM support for the PS3 is marginal in comparison to the Controller and as this will be a F2P game on the PSN I really doubt anyone without a KM will bother their backside to go out to buy one just to play this game!
Just feels like you're exaggerating because you don't want kb/m. I don't think that division will be any more than the division created as new players are slaughtered on the battlefield by dudes who have accumulated 5 or 10 mil sp (or more), have jacked up their skills and run with better weapons and fits.
Just because a game supports kb/m doesn't mean you have to go out and get one, you don't have to go out and buy a wheel just to play need for speed. It's optional.
Dillan NightStorm wrote: It would be a fatal mistake for CCP to include it.
It'd be fatal not to after stating it'd be supported.
Dillan NightStorm wrote: I'm a PC as well as a Console fan. I use the Keyboard way more than the Controller. I don't want KM on the Console because I understand there will be a massive division between players that can and cant. This alone is the sole reason why km should not be supported.
wah wah wah... tissue? seriously.
:D |
[Veteran_Ren Vex]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:07:00 -
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Tripwire wrote:Dillan NightStorm wrote: I don't care what CCP have said I am stating a simple fact that if KM is supported in DUST on the PS3 it will create division amongst players and force those that don't have KM to use on PS3 to not play reducing the audience for the game greatly. The amount of Console users out there with KM support for the PS3 is marginal in comparison to the Controller and as this will be a F2P game on the PSN I really doubt anyone without a KM will bother their backside to go out to buy one just to play this game!
Just feels like you're exaggerating because you don't want kb/m. I don't think that division will be any more than the division created as new players are slaughtered on the battlefield by dudes who have accumulated 5 or 10 mil sp (or more), have jacked up their skills and run with better weapons and fits. Just because a game supports kb/m doesn't mean you have to go out and get one, you don't have to go out and buy a wheel just to play need for speed. It's optional. Dillan NightStorm wrote: It would be a fatal mistake for CCP to include it.
It'd be fatal not to after stating it'd be supported. Dillan NightStorm wrote: I'm a PC as well as a Console fan. I use the Keyboard way more than the Controller. I don't want KM on the Console because I understand there will be a massive division between players that can and cant. This alone is the sole reason why km should not be supported.
wah wah wah... tissue? seriously. :D
I was going to type up a post about how much I support KB/M but basically whatever this guy says goes for me too.
(ps. signed for support of KB/M)
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[Veteran_iwillrock yourworld]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:56:00 -
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I believe as long as DUST have native support for kb/mouse, this isnt going to be a issue since kbm is so cheap.
Anyway, as long as adapters exist, there will be allways people that will be using kbm, it wont just be as many as if there was no support.
The main issue would be if PS3 players had no easy access to kbm (as in having to buy an adapter) against pc gamers.
But since it seems to be nativelly supported, its a low effort move for ps3 controler players to make the move. |
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[Veteran_Dillan NightStorm]
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Posted - 2012.05.31 22:36:00 -
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Tripwire wrote:
wah wah wah... tissue? seriously.
POT KETTLE BLACK
iwillrock yourworld wrote:I believe as long as DUST have native support for kb/mouse, this isnt going to be a issue since kbm is so cheap.
Anyway, as long as adapters exist, there will be allways people that will be using kbm, it wont just be as many as if there was no support.
The main issue would be if PS3 players had no easy access to kbm (as in having to buy an adapter) against pc gamers.
But since it seems to be nativelly supported, its a low effort move for ps3 controler players to make the move.
Yet to see the PS3 sold with K/M |
[Veteran_Pyain Amone]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 00:22:00 -
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lol they need to add that support soon, I'm an old computer FPS player. it's a bit rough trying to get used to that controler.
Already tested and got the KB and mouse working with the PS3, now just need the support for it in game.
Think I am going to enjoy this game either way though.
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[Veteran_Pseudo Rai]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 01:18:00 -
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Dillan NightStorm wrote:Yet to see the PS3 sold with K/M
The PS3 isn't normally sold with multiple controllers, but most games support the use. =] |
[Veteran_BattleCry1791]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 01:29:00 -
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David Malcom wrote:Zorn Rommus wrote:Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.
You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!
Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance. Poor console gamers, clawing desperately to enforce an obviously substandard control mechanism. If you prefer a controller, then use a controller. If you're getting your **** stomped in by people using a keyboard and mouse, then plug in a keyboard and mouse. Don't try to limit my options in order to preserve, through lack of competition, your preference for a poor control system.
Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE.
It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse.
KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game.
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[Veteran_Tannym Manx]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 01:32:00 -
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Zorn Rommus wrote:Never. Please, CCP, never, never, never.
You made a console FPS, not a PC FPS, and you're hoping to sell it and be successful to people who normally play other CONSOLE FPS. Please keep in mind that all the people currently playing this beta are PC gamers first, and probably elitist ones at that!
Do NOT add KB/M support as a control scheme in this game. The only thing it will do is destroy balance.
Sorry, already destroyed. I just got and am using an Eagle Eye. Perfect keyboard and mouse support. It would be better to have intergrated in game support, but the lack of it doesn't stop me.
Without a console joystick, I was able to up my performance about 5000%.
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[Veteran_Raden Sweatt]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:30:00 -
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[READ THIS]
It comes down to this (and yes im also to blame) We are not in this Beta to bicker back and forth about our opinions on whether something should or should not be in the game. We are here to test and give feedback on what we have tested. So Any argument on weather KM should be in the game or not can not be backed up by facts until CCP adds KM support and we test the results. CCP will decide if they should keep KM out of the game or not based on our feedback and the data they collect from our matches with km and controllers. They already have a GÇ£ControlGÇ¥ data set with controllers only to compare it to. So let all just chill out a bit and get some testing done. :) |
[Veteran_Tyrion Dunstein]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:55:00 -
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Thank you Raden for adding the right logic to this entire thread.
As an addendum, KB/Mouse support has already been confirmed by CCP in official releases about Dust 514. To remove it now because some people don't like it and are scared of those who would use KB/Mouse could only be an absolute disaster.
I know that if Dust was never going to give KB/Mouse support, it would have made me think a lot longer about whether I was going to buy a PS3 for the sole reason to play the game, and potentially not buy one at all. This purchase also included a large screen TV to go with the PS3. This is not a small investment I have made to be able to play ONE GAME. Sure, I have some other games now I've picked up and don't mind playing, but Dust 514 was the tipping point of my PS3 purchase.
Basically I'm agreeing with Raden, anyway. This is not the purpose of the BETA, I would agree with the thread getting locked and there be no further discussion about the topic. KB/mouse is here to stay on the console, whether integrated into the game or used with an adapter like so many already do. |
[Veteran_Tripwire]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:20:00 -
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Pseudo Rai wrote:Dillan NightStorm wrote:Yet to see the PS3 sold with K/M The PS3 isn't normally sold with multiple controllers, but most games support the use. =]
gg.
Your making this far too easy now for us Dillan. rofl
Edit: Also noticed a screen was not supplied with my ps3, not sure how sony expect me play games on this thing! |
[Veteran_f0rkz]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 15:26:00 -
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Played the beta the first night and was disgusted at how clunky controls are. I loved the concept of this game, but I'll stick to Eve until KB/M is released for Dust.
Happy fragging all you console junkies. |
[Veteran_Asken Kuunamon]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:25:00 -
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Test Subject 1987 wrote:
Correct, but a new controller that works with the 360 solves this issue by allowing you to remap any button to two shoulder buttons. So you could remap any two buttons that regularly forces you to remove your thumb from a stick to push.
The controller is the Razer ONZA and the only problem i have with it is the build quality. Razer shipped the controller out to fast with out properly stress testing it and so I was never able to get one that didn't kick the bucket on me in one way or another. The only other short coming is that Razer only made a controller for the 360. So what is needed is for another company to make an official controller like Razer with the same idea and just do a better job of it.
Edit: its possible the controller has improved as far as quality since i had one as mine was back when they were first released.
The issue sits at the console developers not letting us rebind our keys for some godforsaken reason. That is the reason why people are engineering controllers to remove the issue at the input level. |
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[Veteran_Dillan NightStorm]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:37:00 -
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[quote=Tyrion DunsteinTo remove it now because some people don't like it and are scared of those who would use KB/Mouse could only be an absolute disaster. [/quote]
It's a disaster I'm scared of.
I'm not scared of people using KM, as I have said before I have used one as long as I can remember if it's included I'll probably be one of the ones using it. What I'm scared of is that the audience for the PS3 do not use KM as their primary controller and are not likely to go out and buy one just to play this game!
Those that don't have KM will most undoubtedly get owned/powned and p#@d off with those that do enough not to come back to it. This will leave DUST with a reduced target audience and for that matter a reduced income. With reduced incomes comes lack of support and eventually the failure of what looks like a beautiful game. Are you expecting the Eve subscription to float this game as well?
KM should not be supported unless there is strong enough proof that everyone that will try and then play this game on a regular basis has and wants to use a KM on their PS3.
I don't care if you are a PC player that prefers using a KM. I care enough to keep this game alive by keeping people interested in it. |
[Veteran_Indi Agrexor]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 19:24:00 -
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Can we please hurry up and put keyboard and mouse support in so that it can fully tested on all the new stuff still to he im0limented. It is kind of like a basic foundation that needs to be at the start not tagged on the end. Putting it in later is going to lead to the exact imbalance worries people have.
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[Veteran_Sani Sparkrock]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:25:00 -
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Yup, this should be done asap, as many have previously stated this will swing the power scales of weaponry and play styles.
Also subjectively, I can't aim for s**t with the controller, it's nice for Tekken or Final Fantasy, but please, I have been using KB/M to frag since Doom 2 and would like to continue to do so. As for the balance, those who want KB/M will have it anyway, if there is no native support then through converter. Just CBA purchasing one now if the support is coming. |
[Veteran_Raden Sweatt]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:57:00 -
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Tyrion Dunstein wrote:This is not the purpose of the BETA, I would agree with the thread getting locked and there be no further discussion about the topic.
+1 and ty
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[Veteran_Tally Tallyman]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:13:00 -
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I like keyboard and mouse, but I think it's a bit much to make it sound as if it's soooo mandatory to be able to use one on a console game. It's far from a "must have" feature. However, should the game be moved to PS3 AND PC, then I'd like the option. As long as keyboard and mouse are always an option, and never mandatory. |
[Veteran_Dillan NightStorm]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:57:00 -
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Here is a question for all you KM advocates.
If and when the KM support is implemented and it REQUIRED you to go out to the PSN Stores and purchase the DUST514 official Keyboard and Mouse because no other Keyboard and Mouse will be supported. Would you? |
[Veteran_Carl Krieg]
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Posted - 2012.06.01 23:02:00 -
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I bought me a PS3 today only cause i had a Dust Betakey and i heared that i could use KB and Mouse. (I don't need a damn PS3, cause i don't have a TV, i'm a pure PC-User and use the PS3 on my PC-Monitor. I don't have a single Game outside of Dust for the PS3 )
I played a round today and was shocked that my KB/M wasn't working. I tried a round with the PS3-Controller but that sucks. In my eyes it's unplayable :P
Compared to a PC-FPS Movement and Aiming is slow and inaccurate. Moving, aiming and firing at the same time isn't possible. No fun for me.
Please add it fast. |
[Veteran_FatalFlaw V1]
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:44:00 -
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Tyrion Dunstein wrote: As an addendum, KB/Mouse support has already been confirmed by CCP in official releases about Dust 514. To remove it now because some people don't like it and are scared of those who would use KB/Mouse could only be an absolute disaster.
This is not the purpose of the BETA, I would agree with the thread getting locked and there be no further discussion about the topic. KB/mouse is here to stay on the console, whether integrated into the game or used with an adapter like so many already do.
Well saying its confirmed won't mean it will stay. Many things get put into a game and later tweaked or removed because it is not balanced.
I bet kb/m supporters want this thread locked and never mentioned again (lol). KB/mouse here to stay? What recent successful console fps game has kb/m support? |
[Veteran_Tannym Manx]
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:46:00 -
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Dillan NightStorm wrote:Here is a question for all you KM advocates.
If and when the KM support is implemented and it REQUIRED you to go out to the PSN Stores and purchase the DUST514 official Keyboard and Mouse because no other Keyboard and Mouse will be supported. Would you?
Nope. I'd use my eagle eye. |
[Veteran_David Malcom]
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Posted - 2012.06.02 01:10:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote: Limit your options? Or make sure you have a natural advantage over console gamers? Every argument made for KBM can be used against it in the name of game GAME BALANCE.
It's on the PS3, the majority of the players this game is aimed at use controllers. They should not be at a disadvantage. Nor should someone who wants to use a mouse.
KBM? Fine, just so long as it doesn't affect BALANCE. More choice is always a good thing, just so long as it doesn't blatantly screw up the game.
Wait a second. So your argument is legitimately, "I don't want you to use a keyboard and mouse because they're demonstrably better than using a controller and I prefer to use a controller and am afraid of change. And aiming"
That's so sad. |
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