fuel injector is this derp tanker's best friend please leave it be.

ads desrves a price reduction, but not a big one (7%?), cause you don't want people spammin it.

if no isk reduction for ads at least fix friendly rdv collision issue

Actually, I forgot to write the ISK reduction, we are thinking 250k ISK?

Change #1 would put things into a position where since the AB can still allow ADSs to out-run Swarms, any Pilot who's caught by surprise will still be able to evade, despite his failure to be aware of the situation.

In short, that wouldn't solve anything.

Actually, I forgot to write the ISK reduction, we are thinking 250k ISK?

Actually, I forgot to write the ISK reduction, we are thinking 250k ISK?

reduce the ADS K/D since they are longer out of engagement.

Hello again,

3) To keep things balanced, we will also reduce the turn radius of a swarm missile, so it can't bend around 90 degree corners. This will allow skilled pilots to deftly avoid missiles by taking cover behind buildings and terrain.

Let's really try to keep this constructive

Well, we don't want every pilot caught by surprise to just be dead, this will deter them more and reduce the ADS K/D since they are longer out of engagement.

Well, we don't want every pilot caught by surprise to just be dead, this will deter them more and reduce the ADS K/D since they are longer out of engagement.

Tbh. In this current build, If AVer/s forces a dropship to flee before or during the ads descent to get kills. Then they are fufilling their role as anti vehicle when the dropship has no value to it's team if it's not doing anything but running. In the event that a python/incubus is taken down (which is relatively easy if they don't flee or are to slow retreating) not only is the team hurt by missing a body. The pilots wallet is hurt for 2-4 matches if they run those matches in free suits, And that is just to break even let alone gaining a profit. Most smart pilots will fly to their mcc and recall their dropship to save isk when they feel that the AV is too strong. And that is also fulfilling the role of ANTI VEHICLE as well. A price reduction is needed on the account of assault dropships.

Also buff python shields along with the other shielded vehicles!!!

EDIT: May we look at ads controls with KB/M for legion...Soon TM

A single ADS forcing multiple units into AV gear all but guarantees a steamrolling.

I don't think that this is ok. I'd rather ADS be inexpensive and than be a push-button steamroll for proto stompsquads.

Actually, I forgot to write the ISK reduction, we are thinking 250k ISK?

Hello again,

we are proposing the following changes to reduce the high efficiency of the ADS and promote Normal Dropship viability as well.

In short, the ADS can function as a fast attack vehicle, with rapid redeployment and the NDS can function as a slower troop transport, able to withstand heavier fire while laying down supportive fire with missiles and blasters.

Currently the ADS is able to outrun swarms using afterburners, and return to the same spot within a few moments, fully repaired and fighting capable. We want to give swarms a better fighting chance against them, so proposing the following small changes.

1) A change so that Swarms actually outrun normal ADS speed, right now the speeds are equal, so the ADS just needs to boost away and the swarm will never catch it.

Wrong, the only time an ADS can outrun swarms is when they're right on the max lock on range, then boost out immediately to avoid the swarm. They get hit if they're any closer and slower on the AB every single time.

Swarm speed from 50m/s to 60m/s

2) Another change in that vein, is to increase Swarm accelaration from 10 m/s^2 to 12m/s^2, again to catch up with the ADS Afterburner.

Yes, another way to help the lazy that don't know what teamwork means is to buff AV.

3) To keep things balanced, we will also reduce the turn radius of a swarm missile, so it can't bend around 90 degree corners. This will allow skilled pilots to deftly avoid missiles by taking cover behind buildings and terrain.

[/b]They turn greater than 90 degrees, they go fully around 2 corners of a building.[/b]

4) We will not be changing the lock on timer nor the lock on range at this stage, and see how it goes.

That's actually surprising.

5) We are also increasing the cooldown of Afterburners and Fuel injectors, so that Vehicles that choose to boost out of harms way can either wait out the cooldown period and fly to another engagement on the map, or return back to the prior enagement before it's fully restored and then at a higher risk to itself.

Yes, reward lazy infantry behavior by nerfing vehicles, again.

6) To keep things balanced, we are also proposing an increase to the duration of Afterburners and Fuel Injectors.

7) Finally, a healthy buff to NDS eHP, somewhere close to a full proto swarm dmg (1000 eHP) and an improvement to Small Blasters dmg output detailed here, including a PG/CPU reduction to them.

Let's really try to keep this constructive

tbh the swarms shoudl also be equal armor/shield damage seeing as we don't have any valid arrial AV for shield tankers, all AV currently available is + vs armor, all except the plasma cannon and tbh its not like you're gonna be knockin pythions out the skies with plasma cannons.

i'd say remove the -20% to shields/+20% to armor and have it +/-0% and have the proficiency left as is. that would help greatly vs gunloggi and pythons.

i'd be interested to see how these changes work though, its deffinitly gonna be a step in teh right direction. the issue i've always had is i can fire 3 volleys off from my wiy SL, the first will hit and teh incubus/python will just accelerate up and forward and simply outrun the 2nd and third swarms, increasing their speed and increasing their flight time would be the closest to a true balance. they need to be able to harrass a talented ADS/DS pilot but destroy an useless/average DS/ADS pilot

A single ADS forcing multiple units into AV gear all but guarantees a steamrolling.

I don't think that this is ok. I'd rather ADS be inexpensive and than be a push-button steamroll for proto stompsquads.

My two cents:
Two proto swarmers working together should crash an ADS caught offguard, afterburner or not. Having multiple troops trapped in AV gear affords the opponent too great an advantage.

Current:
One Swarmer repels. Focused fire repels with enthusiasm. Afterburner, FTW.

Proposed:
One Swarmer repels. Focused fire overwhelms and destroys. Teamwork, FTW.

Hello again,

we are proposing the following changes to reduce the high efficiency of the ADS and promote Normal Dropship viability as well.

In short, the ADS can function as a fast attack vehicle, with rapid redeployment and the NDS can function as a slower troop transport, able to withstand heavier fire while laying down supportive fire with missiles and blasters.

Currently the ADS is able to outrun swarms using afterburners, and return to the same spot within a few moments, fully repaired and fighting capable. We want to give swarms a better fighting chance against them, so proposing the following small changes.

1) A change so that Swarms actually outrun normal ADS speed, right now the speeds are equal, so the ADS just needs to boost away and the swarm will never catch it.

Swarm speed from 50m/s to 60m/s

2) Another change in that vein, is to increase Swarm accelaration from 10 m/s^2 to 12m/s^2, again to catch up with the ADS Afterburner.

3) To keep things balanced, we will also reduce the turn radius of a swarm missile, so it can't bend around 90 degree corners. This will allow skilled pilots to deftly avoid missiles by taking cover behind buildings and terrain.

4) We will not be changing the lock on timer nor the lock on range at this stage, and see how it goes.

5) We are also increasing the cooldown of Afterburners and Fuel injectors, so that Vehicles that choose to boost out of harms way can either wait out the cooldown period and fly to another engagement on the map, or return back to the prior enagement before it's fully restored and then at a higher risk to itself.

6) To keep things balanced, we are also proposing an increase to the duration of Afterburners and Fuel Injectors.

7) Finally, a healthy buff to NDS eHP, somewhere close to a full proto swarm dmg (1000 eHP) and an improvement to Small Blasters dmg output detailed here, including a PG/CPU reduction to them.

Let's really try to keep this constructive

And there it is, the ideal goal is to solo the best pilots in the game, the ones that have been in their preferred roles for over a year.

And ultimately, they want the removal of vehicles so this is merely Call of Duty in space.

I'm mad because you are buffing an underperforming weapon that couldn't do anything more than tickle me.

Change #1 would put things into a position where since the AB can still allow ADSs to out-run Swarms, any Pilot who's caught by surprise will still be able to evade, despite his failure to be aware of the situation.

In short, that wouldn't solve anything.

200? I want to be able to at least break even If I loose one and win the match!