So what you are proposing is to bring back the guaranteed hit for the no-skill weapon such as the swarm launcher. CCP, I slow clap with such sarcasm.
Let me play out a scenario for you:
I call out a full proto Python costing more ISK than most of these AV crybabies will ever make in 2 matches combined. If any scrub puts a wyrkomi swarm launcher on a dinky little scout, he is 100% going to kill me in one clip, and 100% going to hit every shot that successfully locks and comes out of that weapon regardless of my initial distance from him or my reaction times.
I'm finally hanging up the ADS build. I'm already fed up with loosing half a million ISK to BS rendering and BS collision damage from the environment, this just puts the nail in the coffin for me. I have it on good authority to know that none of the Devs actually know how to pilot an ADS proficiently enough to know what the pilot knows, and this just clearly demonstrates that.

If you continue to price this vehicle so expensively then I'm done with flying. I've piloted dropships since the beta and have used ADSs since their first appearance, and forcing me to scurry like a rat with my tail down every time a starter fit AV suit stands within 120 meters of where I need to go just makes a mockery of the role altogether. A veteran pilot is already easily killable by a competitive player, we can easily loose 5 Pythons in a single PC battle to a single swarmer. These changes only further reward clumsy swarmers and untactical play styles for AV users, pushing the role into a mediocre point and click role.

but its ok that for the past 6-8 months an ADS pilot has been able to take out probably several billion isk of infantry suits all the while not being able to be taken down?
if you're a skilled pilot you shoudl still be able to avoid the new swarms and we stil only have 175m lock range. at max skills i can get 3 swarms off before an ADS is out of range and only 1 of them will hit because it simply outruns the rest of them. having 2 or 3 rounds hit a DS now will at least keep the ADS out the field a little longer as it takes more itme to recover

Well, we don't want every pilot caught by surprise to just be dead, this will deter them more and reduce the ADS K/D since they are longer out of engagement.

Dude, enough with the K/D bull crap. The only reason we have good K/D is because we don't die a lot. The reason we don't die a lot is because we flee at the first sight of danger. 500k isk isn't worth one kill.

It's perfectly balanced then that you don't die a lot and manage to get massive amounts of kills.

The max kills I've ever gotten with a ADS is like 24 and that was vs fresh out the academy players vs 500k isk python. I've gone 44-3 with a militia heavy with a STD HMG std mods vs. Proto users. ADS in no way is OP.

Heavies are easy mode http://imgur.com/Ijc5Um7
I've seen players like PARTHOK and Derrtih get close to 20 kills and under 2 deaths in PC in Pub's if the other team pushes enough a good ADS pilot could get 30+ kills, I've seen Snugglez go 36-0 and I think 41-0.

It's perfectly balanced then that you don't die a lot and manage to get massive amounts of kills.

You try and say one good pilot has once got 36 kills meaning that all ads pilots can easily do it. Average kills per lost ship is about 10 against a competent team who knows how to change suits to av. To be profitable it currently takes not losing a ship for the entirety of three matches. This means we run at any forge or rail shots or swarm shots. The reason we kill u is we then know where you are so we use the terrain to sneak up on u and then kill u

Heavies are easy mode http://imgur.com/Ijc5Um7
I've seen players like PARTHOK and Derrtih get close to 20 kills and under 2 deaths in PC in Pub's if the other team pushes enough a good ADS pilot could get 30+ kills, I've seen Snugglez go 36-0 and I think 41-0.

No the reason why I get killed is because an ADS can fly far far above my tank well out of my range and dive down and shoot at me uncontested by me because I can not aim up high enough to hit you and there is little I can do to stop it, pretending you are using intricate strategy is BS.

I've seen Saxonmish go 80+/4, therefore his Minmatar Assault needs to be nerfed along with his ADV rail rifle since his KD is too high. Benjamin's logic.

Maybe try using gunners? Maybe drive in a Heavy with A FG? Maybe get good?

You act like I haven't taken Espeon and others out in 1v1 DS v Tank. A forge in a tank! What kind of ***** do you think I am? lol gimp my fit so that the ADS can easily out DPS what my gunners putting out and get wrecked anyway. Maybe get good and stop sucking in your ADS 24-0 your best really.

Why are you letting an ADS destroy your tank? Sounds like a pathetic whiner without any sense or skill in the matter...

Why are you letting an ADS destroy your tank? Sounds like a pathetic whiner without any sense or skill in the matter...

You act like I haven't taken Espeon and others out in 1v1 DS v Tank. A forge in a tank! What kind of ***** do you think I am? lol gimp my fit so that the ADS can easily out DPS what my gunners putting out and get wrecked anyway. Maybe get good and stop sucking in your ADS 24-0 your best really.

LOL
You're cute.

LOL
you're stupid.

I would like to que up fw with you while you tank and I fly ads

I'm going to keep this one he amuses me with his failed logic.

1. Do you want a cookie? I saw you QQing about how your ass got handed to you by an ADS and you couldn't do sh*t so I give you a few suggestions that actually work but they might be difficult to take in by a hard head like you. Also, wearing a forge gun on a heavy suit while siting in a tank doesn't change the tanks performance. You must be one of those scrubs that jumps out with a Six Kin Burst.

2. It's not about kills, It's team support. I destroyed vehicles that match coupled with uplinks on buildings which lead us to win that match. If you PC, you know that drop uplink placement is the key to winning. When there are a bunch of Dropsuplinks on a building heavy defended by infantry, you're tank on the ground doesn't do sh*t.

You must be really stupid to base peoples performance on kills. Learn to dust?

Yes I'll take one though I would prefer popcorn when reading your posts. If you want to know the proper way to kill an ADS it is to move forward full speed and then stop so the ADS is thrown in front of you or you can activate your fuel injector and launch yourself backwards. They are changing the inertia so that the latter will likely be impossible and the former is next to impossible because you won't connect enough shots to kill it. That would imply I skilled Fotm heavy, the suit doesn't matter because I don't bail I stick with my tank till the end except in PC where I have a Speed hack/link/assault suit depending on the scenario.

lol you take pubs far to seriously I slay in pubs and that's pretty much it. I myself am not a pubstar and save my go hard attitude for PC and do not have to try ubber hard in pubs.

Pc performance is based on how effective you did your job and Pub performance is mainly based on kills because the enemy team is generally too stupid to clear links and such so aside from deploying strategic links in the beginning you really just have to kill them off the points hack move onto the next one and especially if it's dom which is what I play most of the time it's all about slaying them off the point.

Sadly you still fail to realize that you contradict yourself often. At first it is you QQing about how ADS kill your tank, then you say you are a ADS slayer and have taken out the best of Pilots. Then you say I am a bad pilot because I want 24-0 and tell me to get good. With that logic, you can say a logistics player is bad because he went 2-4. Maybe learn about roles instead of pulling crap out of your ass and calling yourself smart?

My concern with this change here is that one of my primary swarm techniques is to lock on and duck behind a wall and angle my launcher so the missiles fire around the wall and go after the target. This protects me more than you think, as I'm able to fire around corners, i can prevent taking more fire or even break contact and relocate while my swarms to their thing.

Unfortunately, most walls will be at 90 degree angles or more when i release the swarms. Will they still be able to turn decently enough to use this technique? Although, this technique is mainly against tankers but still I hate to think that the swarms will travel in a really wide arc thus, more likely to hit other obstructions than anticipated. Especially when fighting in close quarter areas with tanks in the streets.

1) A change so that Swarms actually outrun normal ADS speed, right now the speeds are equal, so the ADS just needs to boost away and the swarm will never catch it.

Swarm speed from 50m/s to 60m/s

2) Another change in that vein, is to increase Swarm accelaration from 10 m/s^2 to 12m/s^2, again to catch up with the ADS Afterburner.

3) To keep things balanced, we will also reduce the turn radius of a swarm missile, so it can't bend around 90 degree corners. This will allow skilled pilots to deftly avoid missiles by taking cover behind buildings and terrain.

lol it is not fair a dropship can hover at 200 meters and pound you with rail or missiles while you are helpless we should have the same range as small missiles 200 meter lock on

Clumsier swarms may mean that carelessly launched missiles miss/overshoot at close range.
Clumsier swarms reward smart evasion by terrain/buildings.

I never said I was an ADS slayer period, it doesn't mean I haven't taken down ADS's I can take a min assault down with a min scout 5 times and lose another 20 that does not make me a min assault slayer. It means I am capable of taking them down but the advantage is certainly in their favor. The role of a Python is to be a slayer the role of a logistics is support the logistics is certainly bad if he goes 2-4 with 350 war points as an ADS you don't have anything really to do with support it's about ASSAULT it's in the name for god sakes, the role is to kill and assault objectives killing has everything to do with it.

Swarms?

Oh you mean the only weapon in the game that takes zero skill to land hits with?

The one that all the scrubs skill into because they cant learn the art of the forge gun?

Press R1, get a cookie, rinse, repeat?


I hate ADSs as much as the next guy, but swarms are the answer here?

loldust

You can increase swarm speed to 60m/s or 600m/s, doesn't change the fact that a small rail dropship can hover at 200m, picking off infantry with impunity from outside swarm range.

Lol, Forges require you to spec into heavy suits, which most people are not willing.