If you are offering, why not a Rail Rifle vs Breach AR comparison, and a Burst Rifle to Combat Rifle, and the crowning achievement, Assault Rifles vs each other. I would love to see what a veteran player thinks of each of these comparisons. .

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Thanks for the input.

The fact of the matter is that the weapon's efficiency is considerably higher than the rest of the rifle population.

Those rifles are also measured against Public matches so doesn't create a comparison bias.

Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that

It is a skill weapon, for sure, which explains why it is less used than the other rifles.

I also believe, that even with a majority of the playerbase Armor tanking, it is going to be even more efficient through the shield module improvements we are proposing, after swaying more players over to Shield Tanking.

We certainly don't want to overnerf this weapon, just tweak it. ROF changes seem to hit both dps and turbo controllers.

What could be an acceptable reduction in ROF?

Having not read any other post,and not using the ScR as much as others do.

How about:
-Nerf the ROF of all lazors by 25%
-Give a 5% ROF buff per level to Amarr assault/commandos

Amarr should be the best with their own tech after all.

This idea wasn't very thought out,i was just thinking of ways to cripple scouts and this came to mind.

you really need to make up your mind so whats more op than the scrambler
and when can we see a fair assessment on those weapons?

If you look at the DPS Tuning thread, you'll see that after the changes made in DELTA all the other rifles will be balanced. Hopefully
What more OP than the ScR is brick tanking, scouts with 700-800 eHP, Assault with just shy of a 1000, Heavies with nearly 1600 eHP, this shouldn't be possible especially with a PRO primary weapon equipped.

Biotic modules need serious buffs.
We need more hybrid tanking modules
We need more support modules.

Afterall pretty much any weapon will look UP when you pit it against someone with 2-3x your eHP

Hybrid tanking is brick tanking, the only exception being stacking a rack of complex armor plates but the penalties to that most of the time outweigh the HP, specially to scouts and medium.

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

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Thanks for the input.

The fact of the matter is that the weapon's efficiency is considerably higher than the rest of the rifle population.

Those rifles are also measured against Public matches so doesn't create a comparison bias.

Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that

It is a skill weapon, for sure, which explains why it is less used than the other rifles.

I also believe, that even with a majority of the playerbase Armor tanking, it is going to be even more efficient through the shield module improvements we are proposing, after swaying more players over to Shield Tanking.

We certainly don't want to overnerf this weapon, just tweak it. ROF changes seem to hit both dps and turbo controllers.

What could be an acceptable reduction in ROF?

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

I think we have reached the end of the line, thanks for all the feedback, and stay tuned for the Delta numbers.

Anything that injures turbo controllers is good in my eyes.

Isn't it possible to actually detect this sort of thing? Unless Ocelot was lying... MGS 1 said he would know if you used a turbo controller.

There is a Hipfire Kick increase proposed, just not too big

Here is a video covering quite a bit of what is being talked about here. It turned into a TAC vs SCR video showing the difference in the two.

Disclaimer: I am an SCR user. Have been since it released. I'm also a simi auto rifle user in other FPS games. It's my preferred play style there. The only reason I am not an Amarr proto is because I didn't want to get used to the extra rounds. Using the rifle and not overheating is as much about feeling as it is counting.

Things covered in this comentary video:


-Stats, Cost, and Skill of the TAC vs the SCR.
-TAC in action showing it shining in Optimal and falling on it's ass in <30 meters (Some slowmo comparison)
-SCR in action showing it shining in all ranges (Also with slow motion comparison)
-Outside of game video showing both riflers firing at a near consistent 480 rounds per min using a metronome set at 120bpm with 16th note subdivisions
-Slow motion of the TAC misfiring while well under 500 RPM (Bug?) and what I fear would happen if the ROF gets lowered to much on the SCR
-EXTREME dispersion difference in both hip fire and ADS between the two (side by side using a commando firing at a wall)
-A bad ass drummer in the background. (seriously, this dude is remarkable)

I'm going to post this in GD as well, but this seems to be the place for both us SCR lovers and the haters.

And for all those claiming that more than 6 trigger pulls per second controlled is not possible, wtf is wrong with you? Eat some Wheaties or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuOXdZfHeN8&feature=youtu.be

Me and my bro tested that in MGS1. Ocelot DID know.

I concur MGS is truly a beautiful game. But lets try and stay on topic.

There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

Specific reason: high dispersion, not just armor's prevalence, is limiting the performance of the AScR. When hipfiring and in ADS the accuracy is that of an unbonused AR. If you're looking for some way to help this rifle Rattati, this is it!