Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

This is gonna make gal assault op if they implement these buffs =ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+

This is gonna make gal assault op if they implement these buffs =ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+=ƒÿ+

Yeah, all you get is more range, damage, [s]headshot multiplier[s/] and charge shot!

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

Here's why the ASCR sucks so bad:
http://youtu.be/hrVDPmIhkx8

Basically, the kick is similar to the RR, which makes it a very unreliable weapon at long range.
Except that there isn't a skill to reduce the scrambler kick so even the Carthum with prof 5 and 3 damage mods underpreforms

Combine that with a shorter range than the standard scrambler AND the fact that it does 80% damage to armor with no prof bonus makes the weapon suffer when an enemy is barely outside of your optimal.

The horrid kick of the weapon makes it so that only a fraction of shots actually hit the target at range, and when your DPS comes from most of your shots hitting, having the weapon miss so much is terrible.

In CQC, a normal scrambler rifle can take down a sentinel faster than the ASCR because each shot means more...heck, even against caldari suits the ASCR misses too much to feel like much of a threat.

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Umm I don't know how to tell you this but there was no recoil there and kick was negligible.
Unless you were compensating for it, the weapon never moved from that caution sign.

Get the ACR and try the same exercise with that, you'll find yourself halfway up the Door.
Get the ARR and try the same execise with that, you'll find the sights jump around like a frog on springs.
What you are prehaps talking about is the ADS dispersion, in which case yes it would probably benifit from a lower ADS dispersion.

For clarification
Kick is how much the site vary/sway from there point of origin after a shot is fired.
High Kick results in the weapons feeling unruly in ADS but will require little actual repositioning.

Recoil is how bad the torque reaction is, as the rifle kicks it moves slightly upwards and to the right (traditionally - for a right handed weapon), HROF weapons typically exhibit the most recoil, this physically changes the aim of the weapon and requires re targeting during prolonged periods of firing.

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

If you are offering, why not a Rail Rifle vs Breach AR comparison, and a Burst Rifle to Combat Rifle, and the crowning achievement, Assault Rifles vs each other. I would love to see what a veteran player thinks of each of these comparisons. .

>hybrid tanks with tons of armor. (I suggested a fix for this) shield weapons can't kill high armor but armor weapon can kill high armor and shields.
>Other weapons being as good or better in CQC (addressed I hope)
>Range (unless long range weapons get their CQC abilities stripped) but even so it doesn't feel like its DPS compensates much for its range.
>DPS could be a smidge higher to compensate for its range and that the AR competes with the HMG at short range, so far if you want a good CQC 0-10 meters the shotgun or HMG, if you want a good 10-30M weapon the HMG, 40-70 any other weapon. So overall the AR is only useful within a range of 30-40M or 10-40 meters if there are no HMG's competing (as if ).



Easy they all need more DPS or more range, if more DPS they need better CQC abilities.

For example the burst CR is better than the burst AR at CQC and I believe the burst CR also has higher DPS (can't remember) this should be reversed because the burst AR also has lower range. The burst AR should be much better at CQC and have the higher DPS.

Assault weapons, all need slightly less range than their main counterpart, they need more DPS and CQC abilities but not going over the AR nor close since they would all still have longer range.

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

The AR is deadly on any suit, a reliable full auto weapon that has a fairly balanced damage profile against both shields and armor, hits hard, has a good reserve of ammo and very operator friendly to use. But when paired with the Gallente Assault it truly becomes a weapons system, the ultimate shock trooper, able to augment the ROF of these plasma weapons to deadly effect, taking out close range targets faster and in quicker succession.

It seems that this is the niche for assault suits CCP is going for but they fell short when designing the Cal and Gal bonuses, the Min and Amarr are perfect for the assaults.

If you are offering, why not a Rail Rifle vs Breach AR comparison, and a Burst Rifle to Combat Rifle, and the crowning achievement, Assault Rifles vs each other. I would love to see what a veteran player thinks of each of these comparisons. .

Are you suggesting a ROF bonus for Gal assault? That sounds OP but then again that's exactly what the Amarr assault bonus amounts to, though with ScR ROF hopefully soon capped at 600 that might change. Not sure. (I know I said more heat build up is a better answer but honestly I'll take it.)

I like what you're saying about weapons systems. That's what Amarr and Minmatar are, fully skilled up--able to fire volley swarms from the ScR or unload a larger clip into someone with a Six Kin. I suppose a ROF bonus for Gallente would be the closest thing to how the Amarr and Minmatar bonuses "evolve" those assaults. A kick reduction bonus for Caldari assaults would similarly "evolve" them, making them more accurate at range and much more deadly in CQC.

TAR should not have a similar ROF by the simple fact it has no issue with jamming.

I think anything to do with altering the heat sink on the Amarr Assault or the rate at which it builds up and overheats will be detrimental to the weapons system and the dedicated users of the weapons system, like I said before changes to this will directly affect my muscle memory, because I no longer watch the heat gauge, I feel the heat gauge. And being able to pump out more shots from the ScR is not a good way to go, I think the amount level of heat management on the weapon is perfect, perfect in PC and maybe too good in Pubs but thats a matter of the suits youre going against more so than what the weapon is able to do. IMO

And yes I am suggesting an ROF bonus for Gal Assault, but a small one like the heat sink on the Amarr Assault, a tiny augmentation that good assault players are able to utilize to deadly effect, making a good weapon just slightly better because this game is a game of decimal points and seconds, small changes go a looonnngg way.

I'm not sure what to do with Caldari as I have never skilled into them nor do I like using the RR very much, so I am not going to put forth an uninformed opinion

Well a 25% faster ROF would be pretty OP. But something less than that would actually be perfect I think. Better in Gallente assaults role than a range bonus.

And it looks like Rattati is not planning on increasing heat build up, but he's suggesting reducing your ROF by 106 RPM. You ok with that? :D

Maybe 15% then? But again, I am not sure so I dont want to put out uninformed opinions.

And yes I am absolutely okay with an ROF change so long as it hurts Turbo Controller users but still allows me to fire as many shots as my finger can depress the trigger; thats all I am concerned about.

Ok, I'm confused. The assault rail rifle's ROF is 600. So if the ScR's new ROF is 600 you should only be able to fire as fast as an AsRR right?

I think anything to do with altering the heat sink on the Amarr Assault or the rate at which it builds up and overheats will be detrimental to the weapons system and the dedicated users of the weapons system, like I said before changes to this will directly affect my muscle memory, because I no longer watch the heat gauge, I feel the heat gauge. And being able to pump out more shots from the ScR is not a good way to go, I think the amount level of heat management on the weapon is perfect, perfect in PC and maybe too good in Pubs but thats a matter of the suits youre going against more so than what the weapon is able to do. IMO

TAR comparing them to the scrambler rifle is fine but there is some things that need to be looked into. First the make-up of how the guns operate. The TAR has no seizure rate or needs a cool down,

I'm with you here. I've been using the SCR since it launched and feeling and muscle memory is everything to me now. I don't want to have to adjust to my weapons mood swing. I already have to deal with that with my wife.

Lmao, and from the video I take you being "a man of rhythm" as you being a drummer? Because I am a guitarist and muscle memory is everything when trying to intricately play an instrument while maintaining rhythm.

Similar concept to figuring out the heat management and firing intervals of the ScR