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Thanks for the input.

The fact of the matter is that the weapon's efficiency is considerably higher than the rest of the rifle population.

Those rifles are also measured against Public matches so doesn't create a comparison bias.

Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that

It is a skill weapon, for sure, which explains why it is less used than the other rifles.

I also believe, that even with a majority of the playerbase Armor tanking, it is going to be even more efficient through the shield module improvements we are proposing, after swaying more players over to Shield Tanking.

We certainly don't want to overnerf this weapon, just tweak it. ROF changes seem to hit both dps and turbo controllers.

What could be an acceptable reduction in ROF?

520 RoF, TAR hipfire.

Done

Turbo controllers, can be used for more than just the Scrambler, so the numbers should not be biased due to that

Does the OP admit that he uses turbo controller? I've seen him in match releasing a swarm of light from his scrambler rifle. The fastest fingers can manage 12-14 rounds before it overheats..

Come to think of it, I would hate to use a modded controller; not being able to charge my shots would suck, a lot.

In Pubs spamming your shots will get you tons of kills, militia and STD suits dont stand a chance.

In PC those 4 or 5 hip fired shots, depending on the proficiency of your aiming, can mean life or death when facing a shotty scout or HMG heavy before you engage in an often futile SMG strafe battle.

This is the distinction that most players unfortunately lack, for CCP has turned PC into such an exclusive "club" that so few of the community is able to participate.

I'm starting to think that we need to look at the bigger picture more, as opposed to scrutinizing and painstakingly deconstructing every single weapon in hopes to achieve balance. It's not too late to prevent the cycle of nerf/buffs from happening, lets try and create an environment where every weapon can be viable and leave it up to the preference of the player to decide which weapon they want to identify with.

There used to be such a cult following of people who would run the ScR rain or shine, but the nerf/buff cycle eventually hits every single weapon. Now everyone has one and now everyone is complaining.

What are you thinking when you say "big picture"?

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

Please go to http://www.beatsperminuteonline.com/ and see how fast you can press a key on a keyboard repeatedly.

Now do the same thing, but try and press it only TWICE and see what kinds of crazy numbers you can get for the small delay between two button presses that is NOT just an average over time.

I get about 650-750 EASILY, but then again I have a Fast Trigger Finger (video of in-game firing)
My AVERAGE in that video is around 600. I was able to push that average up to 650 toward the end of the video, but again this is an AVERAGE.

Reducing to 600/650 would be fine. The problem is...for people like me, if I occasionally press the button too fast, my shot will not register because I am technically firing faster than 650 for that fraction of a second.

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Using Scrambler Rifle since the first week after Uprising (it was delayed remember?) to put the Caldari Logistics suits in their place.

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

How does this help the performance of the standard gallente assault rifle besides a little hipfire kick?

That's not going to make the primary variant stop underperforming.

Sweat, thanks for watching! I hope the increase to 600 rpm on the TAC fixes the misfire issue I tried to point out. The rest of the changes look good as well. I'll do a follow up video if these changes are made to compare.

Whelp just as useless as a tar now!

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

If you are offering, why not a Rail Rifle vs Breach AR comparison, and a Burst Rifle to Combat Rifle, and the crowning achievement, Assault Rifles vs each other. I would love to see what a veteran player thinks of each of these comparisons. .

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

If you are offering, why not a Rail Rifle vs Breach AR comparison, and a Burst Rifle to Combat Rifle, and the crowning achievement, Assault Rifles vs each other. I would love to see what a veteran player thinks of each of these comparisons. .

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

honestly my worst issue is for some reason the weapon isn't APPLYING the damage the way a lot of other weapons do. It's like you wind up hitbox glitching or something. this is especially noticable with scouts who strafe right through a line of incoming autofire and take no damage.

I don't know if anyone notices issues with actually having the weapons apply the damage. I have no problems with rails and scrams (when I aim) and i can chalk up my issues with the CR to me sucking with burst fire weapons thoroughly.

But for some reason alot of the time the ARs don't seem to be applying all (or any) damage when they are fired in close, which is helping the other rifles overperform against them in my observation.

And my above statement about scouts isn't a "They're OP! it's literally I see them walk through my lines of fire and not take damage. I had one strafe through an HMG spray & pray a few times, and only lose a third of their shields after the hitsstarted registering.

But it's not exclusive to scouts. The AR seems to have a wishy-washy registry of hits to me. I don't know how to explain it further and I'm really wishing I had video capture at the moment to show you what I'm talking about.

I've seen it crop up on the laser rifle too, when firing on a moving target, the game loves to have the target move "between the bullets" as it were, and not take hits.