Yep, been a drummer since grade school (a ratamacue is one of the 26 American standard drum rudiments).

I'm working up some DPS math right now on the TAC vs SCR to add to the Balance discussion. Finding some interesting things that will probably interest you with regards to rhythm of the SCR. I'm trying to find the best combination of rhythm and rest to get a theoretical DPS over time for the SCR. The TAC was pretty easy. On paper, even leveling their Damage at 70hp per round, the TAC is out performing the SCR by a good bit. I'll post the numbers and how I came to them shortly.

I've always understood kick to simply be a colloquial term for recoil, i.e. they are the same thing.

But you're right, the video clearly shows there is virtually no recoil when using the AScR.

Please add in there that their functions are night and day. I think their functions have more to play with than anything. The scrambler rifle has a feedback/over heating function, charge function, and the TAR does not. I think these things play a much more important role than any new or old numbers, because these things directly change the interaction with them to the user and with that said, the Scrambler rifle is more limited with it's interaction than the TAR.

When he talks about efficiency he means in match effectiveness, the ScR is getting higher KDR and lower kill times than the other weapons, this is because it's a front loaded weapon.

The ScR works by doing large amounts of damage for a short period of time, they bsing incapacitated due to overheat constraints. But this creates an operational problem. The overheat is only a problem if you can't kill your opponent before you reach that overheat.

In any other scenario, you've already killed that guy so what difference does it matter?
Now alot of scrambler rifle user rebuke this by saying, but as soon as you put it against 2 people it's balanced.

Which is a biased arguement, since their is just an equal chance their will only be one of them and two of you. Furthermore most weapons would look underpowered/balanced when pitched against 2 enemies. That's kinda the point of teamwork.

Anyway I'm starting to digress, you say it balanced against 2 people, which means in order to reliably beat an ScR user of average skill, you need 2 people of average skill weilding a different set of weapons. One as cannon fodder and one to finish you off. So what happens when 8 memebers of your team run a scrambler rifle, you need 8 pairs to engage them, aka the entire enemy team, which bearing in mind their are still 8 people on your team left running around creates a serious force imbalance.

We infact end up with a similar situation that tankers were in, if takes more than 1 person to reliably defeat another you get a force inbalance. Now another common rebuttal is, but there is more armour tankers than shield tankers, now whole this fact is currently true, both your self and I are aware that was never always the case, in fact shields have still being paying for that since the armour buff.

But here's the thing if we look at the new Projectile profile damage of -15/+15, if shields become the most preferred tank type again, is it fair that the CR gets a damage buff in order to deal with the over popularity of shields? No? So why is it fair to give such a bonus to the ScR?

Finally people use the, it's the most skilled weapon in the game, you and I both know that's a barefaced lie, the Scrambler has similar behaviour to the other 3 rifles types, their is no travel time, their is no lower accuracy or smaller shots that are more likely to miss, nothing. The only thing skillful about the ScR is not overheating but getting close to doing so.

In my opinion the ScR needs a DPS only marginally better than the AR, (460 probably) and slightly slower overheat. This still gives enough DOT to kill most suits before the overheat, but skill comes intomthe equation alot more. The weapon also becomes less useful in CQC because with the low accuracy enviroment the overheat becomes a much mkre severly limiting factor.

I would achieve this by nerfing both DPS and Damage to around 8 shots per second (8.45 to be precise) and the relevamt damage, 58 per shot.

thats because a high alpha front loaded weapon in public contracts against opponents in stater suits with low HP means yes it is going to kill those people fast. but in PC gamemodes were people have high HP the scrambler rifle has a hard time killing before over heat. so how do you balance a gun based on one gamemode that will make it useless in a different gamemode. shouldn't the sample data be collected from both gamemodes?

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We certainly don't want to overnerf this weapon, just tweak it. ROF changes seem to hit both dps and turbo controllers.

What could be an acceptable reduction in ROF?

Good Point, but prehaps the question should be, why are so many people stacking eHP?
PC is considerably less tactical than the Master Race would have you believe.

Only the OP fits are used in PC.
Once EVERYTHING is balanced, the ScR will also be balanced.

if only the OP fits are used in PC then why is the scrambler rifle rarely used???

if only the OP fits are used in PC then why is the scrambler rifle rarely used???

Watching the TAR vs Scrambler video and poring over the rifle data, we propose these small tweaks. In most cases, the Gallente rifle family just has overall the worst comparative kick and dispersion so we want to bring them closer to the rest of the rifles.

Bear in mind that these are very small tweaks except for the Gallente ones that are heavily underperforming


Reduce Hipfire dispersion of Tactical Assault Rifle (TAR) to be closer to the Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of TAR to be closer to Scrambler Rifle (considerable)

Increase Hipfire Kick of Scrambler Rifle to be closer to TAR (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Assault rifle (tiny)

Reduce Hipfire Kick of Gallente Burst Assault Rifles (tiny)

Reduce Zoomed Dispersion of Gallente Breach Rifles (considerable)

Set ROF of both Scrambler and TAR to 600

Increase Hipfire Kick of Rail Rifles on second or more rapid consecutive shot, so full auto will be less accurate in CQC (some)


There are no tweaks for the Assault Scrambler as it may be suffering from Armor tanking environment, unless there is a specific reason you can find, there is nothing in the stats that says it should be.

I've suggested before that the SCR is a skill shot weapon that is meant for long range engagements. Why does the hipfire remain without more kick?

There is a Hipfire Kick increase proposed, just not too big

Many players swear by the Assault Rifle actually being ok, don't want to do too many things at once. Any splendid ideas? We don't want to do damage changes nor range for the time being. What do you think is the major drawback in the handling of the AR?

I've suggested before that the SCR is a skill shot weapon that is meant for long range engagements. Why does the hipfire remain without more kick?

Because of how prevalent and important hipfire is. The Tac is lesson child of this. A model where longer range weapons cannot hipfire correctly doesn't work because of how the game is played. So unless we go back and put every weapon on this model where the longer the range the worse the hipfire, then all you do is put weapons in a bin and say, only use if potato.

Even still the map layouts post chromosome would largely mean that half the weapons in the game were pointless even if you did do all those changes.

You'd have to rework so much of the game and core mechanics to live in that world.

I've suggested before that the SCR is a skill shot weapon that is meant for long range engagements. Why does the hipfire remain without more kick?

There is a Hipfire Kick increase proposed, just not too big

Ya know that this change will aswell mean that you get less shots of before overheating? Cause its head build up per sec and that means if you are trigger happy you get less shots off before your gun is going to overheat.

if only the OP fits are used in PC then why is the scrambler rifle rarely used???

It's not a case of the ScR being OP, it's a case of their being more OP things out there.

Just thinking out loud, but what if the heat increased at a higher rate the faster you shoot it?

So, for example, it takes 100 "units" to reach overheat. Staggered shots are about 5-10 each. Very fast panic shooting is like 10-15, and inhuman turbo speed is like 20-25 a shot. Don't take the numbers seriously, but just get the idea.

Also, I was wondering about reducing the base damage but increasing the charge multiplier a lot. Just a thought.

It's not a case of the ScR being OP, it's a case of their being more OP things out there.

The last PC match I particpated in most people had over 900 eHP, the excetion being scous who 700 eHP.
This requires a greater than 60% accuracy rating in order to kill most suits.

Which when everyone is superstrafing like a pinball stuck between two bumpers, isn't easy.
It's not a case of the ScR being OP, it's a case of their being more OP things out there.

Good Point, but prehaps the question should be, why are so many people stacking eHP?
PC is considerably less tactical than the Master Race would have you believe.

Only the OP fits are used in PC.
Once EVERYTHING is balanced, the ScR will also be balanced.