Ive noticed that these feedback posts usually cater to a handfull that dedicate themselves to be forum warriors and lobby for changes to benefit their play styles. The different classes of drop suits implies different play styles, some like offensive oriented slayer type of play while others enjoy defensive and each choose a class accordingly. Devs should be unbiased when making changes and not buckle to the popular forum rants. Consider the forum posters are a minority in the playing community, the majority of players dont post.

This brings me to the Snipers. Seems like snipers are always hated and thats part of a snipers draw. All I ever hear from haters is how ineffective snipers are, how theyre not helping the team because they arent on the battle front slaying. Described by most an inconvenience rather than a threat . Well snipers arent slayers , they are specialists. A slayer feels satisfaction with his ability to scurry around with his gunplay, a sniper gets satisfaction by head shooting a cloaked scout running across an open area at 10 mps at 500 m. Different accomplishments with different skills.

Considering a range reduction to snipers is ridiculous,by definition a sniper is someone that shoots from a concealed distant position. The argument that there is no counter has been brought up before and has been responded by many saying every thing from counter sniper to Kamikaze DS with militia heavy fits dropping on snipers.

If anything snipers need a buff to damage , better zoom and hit detection . While were talking about changes , the reticle should be changed back to a dot for better accuracy. To nerf the sniper in any way will alienate a group of players from the game . Will reduce the diversity even further by forcing a mid range / CQC slayer only type of game.

Sorry, Jaceon, but this is a democracy. Where everyone's opinion counts equally, and more people hate the existence of a sniper rifle in any form than anyone is willing to have it be viable PC weapon- which right now includes every weapon except the Ion Pistol and Sniper Rifle.

Ive noticed that these feedback posts usually cater to a handfull that dedicate themselves to be forum warriors and lobby for changes to benefit their play styles. The different classes of drop suits implies different play styles, some like offensive oriented slayer type of play while others enjoy defensive and each choose a class accordingly. Devs should be unbiased when making changes and not buckle to the popular forum rants. Consider the forum posters are a minority in the playing community, the majority of players dont post.

This brings me to the Snipers. Seems like snipers are always hated and thats part of a snipers draw. All I ever hear from haters is how ineffective snipers are, how theyre not helping the team because they arent on the battle front slaying. Described by most an inconvenience rather than a threat . Well snipers arent slayers , they are specialists. A slayer feels satisfaction with his ability to scurry around with his gunplay, a sniper gets satisfaction by head shooting a cloaked scout running across an open area at 10 mps at 500 m. Different accomplishments with different skills.

Considering a range reduction to snipers is ridiculous,by definition a sniper is someone that shoots from a concealed distant position. The argument that there is no counter has been brought up before and has been responded by many saying every thing from counter sniper to Kamikaze DS with militia heavy fits dropping on snipers.

If anything snipers need a buff to damage , better zoom and hit detection . While were talking about changes , the reticle should be changed back to a dot for better accuracy. To nerf the sniper in any way will alienate a group of players from the game . Will reduce the diversity even further by forcing a mid range / CQC slayer only type of game.

Standard and Breach Forgegun and Railgun Turret splash radius reduced or removed. Blast stays on Assault Forge Guns. Holding a charge with a splash makes sniping in many cases redundant, and the Forge is primarily AV.

The game is risk/reward driven, sitting in a concealed position 500m away in the redline is probably one of the lowest risk things you can do.

Hence the reward being the stupidly useless sniper rifle we have now.

If you want buffs, you have to give up range so that you are closer to the action.
You can do more damage, but expect for people to be able to retaliate.

Please don't buff the RoF on the ScP, it's already a really good weapon and I don't wanna see it become OP again.

People can retaliate now - see my first post in this thread, #29 for your reference.

Wanna know what I think is the lowest risk thing you can do?

Run a 1500+ eHP suit with a 700+ DPS weapon that never runs out of ammo (equipment spam) and receives constant armor repair (from the three armor repping nanohives that serve for the few seconds every now and then when your logi with the PRO rep tool gets killed - you know the one, that PRO logi with enough HP to tank 2+ rounds from a Charge SR?). I don't know how those guys sleep at night, all that risk, I'd have PTSD if I played like that. It's gotta be so horrible going 50/0 and collecting 500k+ ISK payouts every match!

Boy, those snipers going 15/1, 20/3 and the like, collecting their 180-250k ISK payouts, they sure have so much reward by comparison.

The only time a sniper goes without deaths is when they're not showing up in the killfeed enough to make anyone care about neutralizing them.

People can retaliate now - see my first post in this thread, #29 for your reference.

Wanna know what I think is the lowest risk thing you can do?

Run a 1500+ eHP suit with a 700+ DPS weapon that never runs out of ammo (equipment spam) and receives constant armor repair (from the three armor repping nanohives that serve for the few seconds every now and then when your logi with the PRO rep tool gets killed - you know the one, that PRO logi with enough HP to tank 2+ rounds from a Charge SR?). I don't know how those guys sleep at night, all that risk, I'd have PTSD if I played like that. It's gotta be so horrible going 50/0 and collecting 500k+ ISK payouts every match!

Boy, those snipers going 15/1, 20/3 and the like, collecting their 180-250k ISK payouts, they sure have so much reward by comparison.

The only time a sniper goes without deaths is when they're not showing up in the killfeed enough to make anyone care about neutralizing them.

[Projectiles (Combat Rifles, etc) to -15%, 15%, or -20/+20 from -5%

I'm a simpleton. Please explain like you are talking to a blacksmith apprentice in 1565.

People can retaliate now - see my first post in this thread, #29 for your reference.

Wanna know what I think is the lowest risk thing you can do?

Run a 1500+ eHP suit with a 700+ DPS weapon that never runs out of ammo (equipment spam) and receives constant armor repair (from the three armor repping nanohives that serve for the few seconds every now and then when your logi with the PRO rep tool gets killed - you know the one, that PRO logi with enough HP to tank 2+ rounds from a Charge SR?). I don't know how those guys sleep at night, all that risk, I'd have PTSD if I played like that. It's gotta be so horrible going 50/0 and collecting 500k+ ISK payouts every match!

Boy, those snipers going 15/1, 20/3 and the like, collecting their 180-250k ISK payouts, they sure have so much reward by comparison.

The only time a sniper goes without deaths is when they're not showing up in the killfeed enough to make anyone care about neutralizing them.

1st
Please leave the Plasma Cannon as is. Its fine. Fix its bugs.

A counter snipe (AKA need itself to counter), a dropship and an orbital.

If you think that's a fair requirement of force to take down a sniper then I have no further comment.



Edit:
That Logi and heavy combo can be easily dislodged with a few remotes or concentrated fire or grenades or nova knives or a plasma cannon (soon to be buffed) etc'.

As much as I hate them, they aren't nearly as hard to remove as a sniper.

Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter.

Swarms - efficiency against assault dropships needs to be improved fairly, there are a few ways (increased speed, nerf afterburners, increased lock on timers, probably not lock on range nor damage). We will buff normal dropship ehp to make up for their shortcomings.

Assault HMG buffed, burst HMG needs a slight tune down

Small Rail ROF reduced

Damage profiles - Projectiles (Combat Rifles, etc) to -15%, 15%, or -20/+20 from -5%, +10%, plus fixing turret damage profiles to match intended design

Now I know why so many people in the Shop said you're either an idiot or a troll.

I never mentioned orbitals as a counter to snipers, illustrating that you couldn't find within yourself the attention span to read the bloody post. But yes, OB is also an effective counter - but an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, wasting an orbital strike on one enemy player. If you got 4 or 5 snipers all clustered in one spot, sure, drop the OB on 'em. Not for one guy who's unlikely to net more than 10-15 kills anyway.

If the heavy/logi combo is smart, when one dies, the other will turn and eliminate the knifer. I haven't ever seen anyone with more than 300 eHP (read: everybody) die to a grenade if they weren't nearly dead already - not even core locus nades in PC. And when a heavy/logi pair is doing well, they're not alone - that remote isn't going to kill both of them PLUS the other one or two heavies (sometimes more) plus the tanked out assaults, plus the handful of redberries in frontline suits feeding that pair warpoints through their nanohives spammed around the hardpoint.

Post a legitimate, thought-out opinion that actually works as a retort to my own post (#29 in this thread) or I'm just not going to be able to take you seriously at all.

I agree the previous profile was an anomaly, but if you just change the damage profile and leave the weapons otherwise unchanged that's an across-the-board 5% nerf on projectile weapons. So you should probably do a compensatory increase in the damage stats for projectile weapons.

Dear players

we are ready to share our narrative for Hotfix Delta. As usual, some, all or none of these changes may end up being deployed when the Hotfix is ready. I also want to share that we are very happy with the new CPM and that we are starting to gel as a team that wants only the best for DUST 514. Lots of positive interaction and discussions in the last few weeks.

These are the high level gameplay features we want to look at for Delta.

Weapons
Sidearms - rebalance in a similar way as rifles were, ranges, requirements and damage, mainly through buffing and tuning existing weapon behaviour (reducing ion seize, ROF on scrambler, flaylock power and blast radius, to name a few ideas)

Add all Miltia Sidearms and Miltia HMG to Market

Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter.

Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed

Swarms - efficiency against assault dropships needs to be improved fairly, there are a few ways (increased speed, nerf afterburners, increased lock on timers, probably not lock on range nor damage). We will buff normal dropship ehp to make up for their shortcomings.

Rifles - tweaks to Scrambler, Assault Scrambler and Assault Rifles (plasma)

Assault HMG buffed, burst HMG needs a slight tune down

Dropsuits
Minmatar dropsuits - small ehp buff across the board

Standard and Breach Forgegun and Railgun Turret splash radius reduced or removed. Blast stays on Assault Forge Guns. Holding a charge with a splash makes sniping in many cases redundant, and the Forge is primarily AV.

Turrets
Small Rail ROF reduced

Large Blaster splash reduced

Small Blaster splash increased, maybe range increase

Vehicles
HAV inertia increased so switching from forward to backward movement is more realistic, and reduce fuel injector boost to speed.

Shield based HAV and DS buffed ehp, Gunnlogi and Myron

Other
Damage profiles - Projectiles (Combat Rifles, etc) to -15%, 15%, or -20/+20 from -5%, +10%, plus fixing turret damage profiles to match intended design

NPE - all Frontline starter suits will have racial pistols, snipers smg's, and others magsecs, academy length increased, all new players injected with dropsuit upgrades skills (shield armor and core). Granting these skills coupled with militia sidearms and hmg allows us to reduce starting ISK to 25K

Shield Modules - 15% or so CPU reduction of Energizers, Regulators and Rechargers

Nanite Injectors - heal same amount of shields as armor, yes quite a buff

Nova Knife optimization skill added

Add new Officer Light Weapons as well as key missing FW items to the LP Store


Most of these issues have been mentioned and discussed on the forums, discovered through data or raised by the CPM.

Let's have a courteous and constructive dialogue and detailed threads will be hitting shortly.

and their 1 death came from a guy who had to fly into the redline just to kill them. Then he died.

So you think a heavy, running with a Logi, being in a firefight...on the point...is the same as a guy sitting 600 meters...possibly near a supply depot...also possibably in a fat suit...sitting on a mountain...with no danger of losing his suit are the same.

Remove the redzone, snipers might be affected.

Minmatar getting a ehp increase? I hope they lose some speed for that.

Also, ni mention of Gallente sentinel getting a slight repair bonus for losing it's low slot? Just a 1-2 point buff would make up for it.

Heck to the **** to the no.
None of the projectile weapons need a buff, they're all best in class bar none.

I guess #29 was too long for your attention span, as well?

To summarize: There are LOTS of ways to kill snipers. I've used every one of them (except the forge gun). I've been killed by every one of them while sniping, whether inside the red zone or outside of it.

Bro, do you even snipe? If you're anywhere near the supply depots in the red zone, you have no vantage point of anything at all, except on one or two maps you MIGHT have a shot at the roof of a tall tower. Good luck getting 50+ kills and a 500k+ ISK payout sitting there staring at those rooftops hoping someone appears there and stands still for you to get your prime headshot.

Snipers, even those in ak.0 Sentinel suits with complex plates, aren't difficult to kill. What you and the rest of the forum qq'ers are really upset about is having to deal with a threat that doesn't simply run toward you across an open field of fire.

I mean seriously, even "head glitching" isn't the sniper's fault. I've sat in a spot and had enemy sniper bullets ricochet off the dirt right in front of me - I'm sure that sniper probably had 175% displaying, indicating a perfect headshot. I didn't intend for that - it's the way the game renders at range. You know what I do when I encounter that? I move to another position and take that sniper from a different angle where my hit actually registers. Simple.

I said orbitals because it's always mentioned eventually.

Now tell me, again, why do you think it's fair that snipers require special attention to dislodge?
Why do you need to suicide with a dropship to remove them?
Why do you need to bring out a sniper (countering something with itself is always a bad idea in design)?


You can call me an idiot or a troll, but mark my words if snipers become powerful and can still snipe from the safety of the redline, they will get the nerf bat as snipers plague the game.