Ive noticed that these feedback posts usually cater to a handfull that dedicate themselves to be forum warriors and lobby for changes to benefit their play styles. The different classes of drop suits implies different play styles, some like offensive oriented slayer type of play while others enjoy defensive and each choose a class accordingly. Devs should be unbiased when making changes and not buckle to the popular forum rants. Consider the forum posters are a minority in the playing community, the majority of players dont post.

This brings me to the Snipers. Seems like snipers are always hated and thats part of a snipers draw. All I ever hear from haters is how ineffective snipers are, how theyre not helping the team because they arent on the battle front slaying. Described by most an inconvenience rather than a threat . Well snipers arent slayers , they are specialists. A slayer feels satisfaction with his ability to scurry around with his gunplay, a sniper gets satisfaction by head shooting a cloaked scout running across an open area at 10 mps at 500 m. Different accomplishments with different skills.

Considering a range reduction to snipers is ridiculous,by definition a sniper is someone that shoots from a concealed distant position. The argument that there is no counter has been brought up before and has been responded by many saying every thing from counter sniper to Kamikaze DS with militia heavy fits dropping on snipers.

If anything snipers need a buff to damage , better zoom and hit detection . While were talking about changes , the reticle should be changed back to a dot for better accuracy. To nerf the sniper in any way will alienate a group of players from the game . Will reduce the diversity even further by forcing a mid range / CQC slayer only type of game.

People can retaliate now - see my first post in this thread, #29 for your reference.

Wanna know what I think is the lowest risk thing you can do?

Run a 1500+ eHP suit with a 700+ DPS weapon that never runs out of ammo (equipment spam) and receives constant armor repair (from the three armor repping nanohives that serve for the few seconds every now and then when your logi with the PRO rep tool gets killed - you know the one, that PRO logi with enough HP to tank 2+ rounds from a Charge SR?). I don't know how those guys sleep at night, all that risk, I'd have PTSD if I played like that. It's gotta be so horrible going 50/0 and collecting 500k+ ISK payouts every match!

Boy, those snipers going 15/1, 20/3 and the like, collecting their 180-250k ISK payouts, they sure have so much reward by comparison.

The only time a sniper goes without deaths is when they're not showing up in the killfeed enough to make anyone care about neutralizing them.

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Please leave the Plasma Cannon as is. Its fine. Fix its bugs.

Now I know why so many people in the Shop said you're either an idiot or a troll.

I never mentioned orbitals as a counter to snipers, illustrating that you couldn't find within yourself the attention span to read the bloody post. But yes, OB is also an effective counter - but an incredibly stupid and lazy thing to do, wasting an orbital strike on one enemy player. If you got 4 or 5 snipers all clustered in one spot, sure, drop the OB on 'em. Not for one guy who's unlikely to net more than 10-15 kills anyway.

If the heavy/logi combo is smart, when one dies, the other will turn and eliminate the knifer. I haven't ever seen anyone with more than 300 eHP (read: everybody) die to a grenade if they weren't nearly dead already - not even core locus nades in PC. And when a heavy/logi pair is doing well, they're not alone - that remote isn't going to kill both of them PLUS the other one or two heavies (sometimes more) plus the tanked out assaults, plus the handful of redberries in frontline suits feeding that pair warpoints through their nanohives spammed around the hardpoint.

Post a legitimate, thought-out opinion that actually works as a retort to my own post (#29 in this thread) or I'm just not going to be able to take you seriously at all.

I agree the previous profile was an anomaly, but if you just change the damage profile and leave the weapons otherwise unchanged that's an across-the-board 5% nerf on projectile weapons. So you should probably do a compensatory increase in the damage stats for projectile weapons.

I guess #29 was too long for your attention span, as well?

To summarize: There are LOTS of ways to kill snipers. I've used every one of them (except the forge gun). I've been killed by every one of them while sniping, whether inside the red zone or outside of it.

Bro, do you even snipe? If you're anywhere near the supply depots in the red zone, you have no vantage point of anything at all, except on one or two maps you MIGHT have a shot at the roof of a tall tower. Good luck getting 50+ kills and a 500k+ ISK payout sitting there staring at those rooftops hoping someone appears there and stands still for you to get your prime headshot.

Snipers, even those in ak.0 Sentinel suits with complex plates, aren't difficult to kill. What you and the rest of the forum qq'ers are really upset about is having to deal with a threat that doesn't simply run toward you across an open field of fire.

I mean seriously, even "head glitching" isn't the sniper's fault. I've sat in a spot and had enemy sniper bullets ricochet off the dirt right in front of me - I'm sure that sniper probably had 175% displaying, indicating a perfect headshot. I didn't intend for that - it's the way the game renders at range. You know what I do when I encounter that? I move to another position and take that sniper from a different angle where my hit actually registers. Simple.

I didn't say anything about a buff.

IMO, I'd like to see Hybrid Blasters at +5%/-5%
Hybrid Rails at -5%/+5%

Projectile at -10%/+10%

Shields/Armor

Hybrid Weapons are supposed to be the closest in damage between shields/armor which projectiles being the second best at tearing through armor (second to explosives).

I was referring more to the negative response generated every time he surfaces there. I.E.: every time he posts, people start ragging on him. This, followed by his own responses (droll, at best), colors my starting view of him as a poster.

Won't be doing ScR levels of DPS, because ScR DPS is 840, CR DPS is 600. Still, I agree -20/20 is too high, it just doesn't seem logical that a projectile weapon would have the same profile as an explosive.

What I am suggesting is that if projectile loses x% damage application due to profile change it should gain x% damage application from stat improvement. Hence the net result is to maintain current performance level, i.e. there is no buff.

No . With damage profile change we are going to need the ehp buff . They seem to be trying to make the Crs more of a slug out weapon. Problem Min suits CAN'T slug it out ... not even the Sent . We rush in get the kill then make like the wind before somebody gets the bright idea to take a shot. The guns made for this (the CRs and Burst HMGs) was perfect for Mins. Problem was that they were OP on other suits.

However if we make it that the Mins have stick around a bit to make the kill ......well that just screws the Minnies over.


How can we hit and run if we die before we can run ? Or what is the point of hitting if they are all healed up before we get back ?

With the ehp buff you can nerf the CR and Burst HMG a bit . We probably still won't be slug out monsters like the Gals or Goldies .... but at least we can slug it out enough 1 on 1 to get the kill and still manage to make it to safety when we have to break for it .

Let's be fair - I didn't say that I was going to stop taking your posts seriously until after you made it sound like the only way to counter a sniper in the red zone is to switch to a sniper or drop an OB on them, which clearly illustrated that you hadn't read a single word of the post you were purportedly refuting.

That has absolutely no bearing on my argument Cat .


The damage proposal is to slightly increase the CR's TTK and give the enemy a little more time to react while we chew through their shields to get to that delicious armor center. We need you dead BEFORE you start shooting back because the little ehp we got is used to get to cover running to safety while your friends start blasting at us .

IF the proposal is going to be the case we need to be able to take a couple of hits from you so we CAN make a break for it .

Rifle performance is like this:

ScR>RR=ARR=CR=ACR>AScR=AR=BrAR=BuAR=TAR

This is what Rattati has said several times, based on performance data (kills per spawn), furthermore it seems to be the general opinion on the forums. There are 'ScR is OP' threads everywhere, nothing about CR recently.

Maybe the perspective you're coming from is that the ARs are weaker than CRs. No one is denying that, it is assumed in everything I've said. Rattati assumes it as well, in OP he says ARs will be rebalanced which means buffed. But the best way to buff the AR is to BUFF THE AR. If you nerf CR instead, the AR will still be UP, you'll just be dying to RR instead of CR.

I said those in my initial post here as well. I'll grant you that the FG isn't a simple thing to use (I suck at it), but against a stationary target it's not too bad. The rail tank, sure - if the sniper is at a significant elevation, the tanker has to find something to prop themself up on which can be a pain, but I've killed snipers on the rooftops of Line Harvest with my Sica's main rail. I've been forged and railed off those same towers. If there's a higher set of sniper perches in the game, I haven't found 'em (except the MCC, which I only use on Border Gulch Dom, and then only if I'm on the Charlie side of the map).

Fact is, the only thing we're OHKing with body shots is militia medium suits and ewar-fitted scouts. Militia heavies will often eat a headshot and need a followup, tanked scouts/mediums need headshots (and some scouts are tanked enough to survive one as well), and Sentinels and Commandos... ugh. Though commandos aren't as tough, of course.

If a sniper nets more than 15 kills in a match, from anywhere on the map, either he's excellent at bagging headshots on moving targets or most of your team is spawning in starter fits. Either way, his numbers aren't unjustified - and he's still getting less WP/ISK out of it.

AH! Well, that's a different thing entirely. I fear we may have started off on the wrong disagreement - if so, this is likely my fault, so I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I still disagree with you, though.

I've only been playing for 6 months or so, so I can't quote you chapter and verse (that is, what change came in what patch), but I DO know that plates were buffed, shield extenders were buffed and heavy and assault eHP has been buffed. All the while, many light weapons were also buffed, whether directly or indirectly, but the sniper rifles weren't touched. A weapon which by design and intent should be the single most potent anti-infantry "alpha strike" weapon still carries the same damage profile that it had to begin with.

We're firing at 21st century tanks with 19th century artillery. It doesn't work nearly as well as it should.

A body shot from the Charge or Thale's should OHK any light frame.
A head shot from the Charge or Thale's should OHK any medium frame.
Two or three head shots from a Charge or Thale's (no easy feat, mind you!) should neutralize any heavy frame.

None of those 3 circumstances exist. And for a weapon that requires the user to be stationary (not true of the PLC, Shotgun, or mass driver), distance is absolutely necessary, not just for sniping from the red zone, but for sniping from a suitable altitude (and I'm not talking about the MCC here, either - MCC sniping is for scrubs who can't land dropships in difficult places). If I'm on top of a 150m tall spire with no cover at all and my weapon's range is less than 600m, I'm not going to have much to shoot at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkC--5AVk1Y

not sure, some buff

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You're losing my faith.