Won't be doing ScR levels of DPS, because ScR DPS is 840, CR DPS is 600. Still, I agree -20/20 is too high, it just doesn't seem logical that a projectile weapon would have the same profile as an explosive.

Dear players

we are ready to share our narrative for Hotfix Delta. As usual, some, all or none of these changes may end up being deployed when the Hotfix is ready. I also want to share that we are very happy with the new CPM and that we are starting to gel as a team that wants only the best for DUST 514. Lots of positive interaction and discussions in the last few weeks.

These are the high level gameplay features we want to look at for Delta.

Weapons
Sidearms - rebalance in a similar way as rifles were, ranges, requirements and damage, mainly through buffing and tuning existing weapon behaviour (reducing ion seize, ROF on scrambler, flaylock power and blast radius, to name a few ideas)

Add all Miltia Sidearms and Miltia HMG to Market

Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter.

Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed

Swarms - efficiency against assault dropships needs to be improved fairly, there are a few ways (increased speed, nerf afterburners, increased lock on timers, probably not lock on range nor damage). We will buff normal dropship ehp to make up for their shortcomings.

Rifles - tweaks to Scrambler, Assault Scrambler and Assault Rifles (plasma)

Assault HMG buffed, burst HMG needs a slight tune down

Dropsuits
Minmatar dropsuits - small ehp buff across the board

Standard and Breach Forgegun and Railgun Turret splash radius reduced or removed. Blast stays on Assault Forge Guns. Holding a charge with a splash makes sniping in many cases redundant, and the Forge is primarily AV.

Turrets
Small Rail ROF reduced

Large Blaster splash reduced

Small Blaster splash increased, maybe range increase

Vehicles
HAV inertia increased so switching from forward to backward movement is more realistic, and reduce fuel injector boost to speed.

Shield based HAV and DS buffed ehp, Gunnlogi and Myron

Other
Damage profiles - Projectiles (Combat Rifles, etc) to -15%, 15%, or -20/+20 from -5%, +10%, plus fixing turret damage profiles to match intended design

NPE - all Frontline starter suits will have racial pistols, snipers smg's, and others magsecs, academy length increased, all new players injected with dropsuit upgrades skills (shield armor and core). Granting these skills coupled with militia sidearms and hmg allows us to reduce starting ISK to 25K

Shield Modules - 15% or so CPU reduction of Energizers, Regulators and Rechargers

Nanite Injectors - heal same amount of shields as armor, yes quite a buff

Nova Knife optimization skill added

Add new Officer Light Weapons as well as key missing FW items to the LP Store


Most of these issues have been mentioned and discussed on the forums, discovered through data or raised by the CPM.

Let's have a courteous and constructive dialogue and detailed threads will be hitting shortly.

As far as the Minmatar suits are concerned, if you are going to give a buff across the board to all of them, it would be awesome if you could make it shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs instead of eHP. It just fits better, them being hit and run.

"So you should probably do a compensatory increase in the damage stats for projectile weapons."

What I am suggesting is that if projectile loses x% damage application due to profile change it should gain x% damage application from stat improvement. Hence the net result is to maintain current performance level, i.e. there is no buff.

No . With damage profile change we are going to need the ehp buff . They seem to be trying to make the Crs more of a slug out weapon. Problem Min suits CAN'T slug it out ... not even the Sent . We rush in get the kill then make like the wind before somebody gets the bright idea to take a shot. The guns made for this (the CRs and Burst HMGs) was perfect for Mins. Problem was that they were OP on other suits.

However if we make it that the Mins have stick around a bit to make the kill ......well that just screws the Minnies over.


How can we hit and run if we die before we can run ? Or what is the point of hitting if they are all healed up before we get back ?

With the ehp buff you can nerf the CR and Burst HMG a bit . We probably still won't be slug out monsters like the Gals or Goldies .... but at least we can slug it out enough 1 on 1 to get the kill and still manage to make it to safety when we have to break for it .

It would be interesting. Shield tanked heavies could actually stand toe to toe with their armor tanked brothers.

Until someone hit you with a std flux grenade.

It's rather amusing when you people have pre established ideas of who I am to the point where you reject anything I say.

I have many people from whom I ask to post my ideas in their name, and those tend to be accepted with a massive yes.
It's rather amusing to watch happen.

Dear players

we are ready to share our narrative for Hotfix Delta. As usual, some, all or none of these changes may end up being deployed when the Hotfix is ready. I also want to share that we are very happy with the new CPM and that we are starting to gel as a team that wants only the best for DUST 514. Lots of positive interaction and discussions in the last few weeks.

These are the high level gameplay features we want to look at for Delta.

Weapons
Sidearms - rebalance in a similar way as rifles were, ranges, requirements and damage, mainly through buffing and tuning existing weapon behaviour (reducing ion seize, ROF on scrambler, flaylock power and blast radius, to name a few ideas)

Add all Miltia Sidearms and Miltia HMG to Market

Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter.

Plasma Cannon - increased projectile speed

Swarms - efficiency against assault dropships needs to be improved fairly, there are a few ways (increased speed, nerf afterburners, increased lock on timers, probably not lock on range nor damage). We will buff normal dropship ehp to make up for their shortcomings.

Rifles - tweaks to Scrambler, Assault Scrambler and Assault Rifles (plasma)

Assault HMG buffed, burst HMG needs a slight tune down

Dropsuits
Minmatar dropsuits - small ehp buff across the board

Standard and Breach Forgegun and Railgun Turret splash radius reduced or removed. Blast stays on Assault Forge Guns. Holding a charge with a splash makes sniping in many cases redundant, and the Forge is primarily AV.

Turrets
Small Rail ROF reduced

Large Blaster splash reduced

Small Blaster splash increased, maybe range increase

Vehicles
HAV inertia increased so switching from forward to backward movement is more realistic, and reduce fuel injector boost to speed.

Shield based HAV and DS buffed ehp, Gunnlogi and Myron

Other
Damage profiles - Projectiles (Combat Rifles, etc) to -15%, 15%, or -20/+20 from -5%, +10%, plus fixing turret damage profiles to match intended design

NPE - all Frontline starter suits will have racial pistols, snipers smg's, and others magsecs, academy length increased, all new players injected with dropsuit upgrades skills (shield armor and core). Granting these skills coupled with militia sidearms and hmg allows us to reduce starting ISK to 25K

Shield Modules - 15% or so CPU reduction of Energizers, Regulators and Rechargers

Nanite Injectors - heal same amount of shields as armor, yes quite a buff

Nova Knife optimization skill added

Add new Officer Light Weapons as well as key missing FW items to the LP Store


Most of these issues have been mentioned and discussed on the forums, discovered through data or raised by the CPM.

Let's have a courteous and constructive dialogue and detailed threads will be hitting shortly.

It should not be compensated, the stats on it are already amazing.

People have been asking for its damage profile to be normalized because it gives it an edge it doesn't need.

Until someone hit you with a std flux grenade.

Dear players
Nanite Injectors - heal same amount of shields as armor, yes quite a buff

Umm, I'm pretty sure the Combat Rifle is the rifle with the least amount of time required to unload a clip.

Let's be fair - I didn't say that I was going to stop taking your posts seriously until after you made it sound like the only way to counter a sniper in the red zone is to switch to a sniper or drop an OB on them, which clearly illustrated that you hadn't read a single word of the post you were purportedly refuting.

That has absolutely no bearing on my argument Cat .


The damage proposal is to slightly increase the CR's TTK and give the enemy a little more time to react while we chew through their shields to get to that delicious armor center. We need you dead BEFORE you start shooting back because the little ehp we got is used to get to cover running to safety while your friends start blasting at us .

IF the proposal is going to be the case we need to be able to take a couple of hits from you so we CAN make a break for it .

Rifle performance is like this:

ScR>RR=ARR=CR=ACR>AScR=AR=BrAR=BuAR=TAR

This is what Rattati has said several times, based on performance data (kills per spawn), furthermore it seems to be the general opinion on the forums. There are 'ScR is OP' threads everywhere, nothing about CR recently.

Maybe the perspective you're coming from is that the ARs are weaker than CRs. No one is denying that, it is assumed in everything I've said. Rattati assumes it as well, in OP he says ARs will be rebalanced which means buffed. But the best way to buff the AR is to BUFF THE AR. If you nerf CR instead, the AR will still be UP, you'll just be dying to RR instead of CR.

No . With damage profile change we are going to need the ehp buff . They seem to be trying to make the Crs more of a slug out weapon. Problem Min suits CAN'T slug it out ... not even the Sent . We rush in get the kill then make like the wind before somebody gets the bright idea to take a shot. The guns made for this (the CRs and Burst HMGs) was perfect for Mins. Problem was that they were OP on other suits.

However if we make it that the Mins have stick around a bit to make the kill ......well that just screws the Minnies over.


How can we hit and run if we die before we can run ? Or what is the point of hitting if they are all healed up before we get back ?

With the ehp buff you can nerf the CR and Burst HMG a bit . We probably still won't be slug out monsters like the Gals or Goldies .... but at least we can slug it out enough 1 on 1 to get the kill and still manage to make it to safety when we have to break for it .

I also said use an ADS :P

There is also a forge or a rail tank, though those are more difficult solutions.

I said those in my initial post here as well. I'll grant you that the FG isn't a simple thing to use (I suck at it), but against a stationary target it's not too bad. The rail tank, sure - if the sniper is at a significant elevation, the tanker has to find something to prop themself up on which can be a pain, but I've killed snipers on the rooftops of Line Harvest with my Sica's main rail. I've been forged and railed off those same towers. If there's a higher set of sniper perches in the game, I haven't found 'em (except the MCC, which I only use on Border Gulch Dom, and then only if I'm on the Charlie side of the map).

Fact is, the only thing we're OHKing with body shots is militia medium suits and ewar-fitted scouts. Militia heavies will often eat a headshot and need a followup, tanked scouts/mediums need headshots (and some scouts are tanked enough to survive one as well), and Sentinels and Commandos... ugh. Though commandos aren't as tough, of course.

If a sniper nets more than 15 kills in a match, from anywhere on the map, either he's excellent at bagging headshots on moving targets or most of your team is spawning in starter fits. Either way, his numbers aren't unjustified - and he's still getting less WP/ISK out of it.

I'm not saying that snipers are overpowered now, I'm just saying that buffs must come with a nerf to their safety.

Ive noticed that these feedback posts usually cater to a handfull that dedicate themselves to be forum warriors and lobby for changes to benefit their play styles. The different classes of drop suits implies different play styles, some like offensive oriented slayer type of play while others enjoy defensive and each choose a class accordingly. Devs should be unbiased when making changes and not buckle to the popular forum rants. Consider the forum posters are a minority in the playing community, the majority of players dont post.

This brings me to the Snipers. Seems like snipers are always hated and thats part of a snipers draw. All I ever hear from haters is how ineffective snipers are, how theyre not helping the team because they arent on the battle front slaying. Described by most as an inconvenience rather than a threat . Well snipers arent slayers , they are specialists. A slayer feels satisfaction with his ability to scurry around with his gunplay, a sniper gets satisfaction by head shooting a cloaked scout running across an open area at 10 mps at 500 m. Different accomplishments with different skills.

Considering a range reduction to snipers is ridiculous,by definition a sniper is someone that shoots from a concealed distant position. The argument that there is no counter has been brought up before and has been responded by many saying everything from counter sniper to Kamikaze DS with militia heavy fits dropping on snipers.

If anything snipers need a buff to damage , better zoom and hit detection . While were talking about changes , the reticle should be changed back to a dot for better accuracy. To nerf the sniper in any way will alienate a group of players from the game . Will reduce the diversity even further by forcing a mid range / CQC slayer only type of game.

Swarms - efficiency against assault dropships needs to be improved fairly, there are a few ways (increased speed, nerf afterburners, increased lock on timers, probably not lock on range nor damage). We will buff normal dropship ehp to make up for their shortcomings.

No . With damage profile change we are going to need the ehp buff . They seem to be trying to make the Crs more of a slug out weapon. Problem Min suits CAN'T slug it out ... not even the Sent . We rush in get the kill then make like the wind before somebody gets the bright idea to take a shot. The guns made for this (the CRs and Burst HMGs) was perfect for Mins. Problem was that they were OP on other suits.

However if we make it that the Mins have stick around a bit to make the kill ......well that just screws the Minnies over.


How can we hit and run if we die before we can run ? Or what is the point of hitting if they are all healed up before we get back ?

With the ehp buff you can nerf the CR and Burst HMG a bit . We probably still won't be slug out monsters like the Gals or Goldies .... but at least we can slug it out enough 1 on 1 to get the kill and still manage to make it to safety when we have to break for it .

I'm down with this. True forge gunners only use assault anyways.

I don't think you understand the concept of hit and run. Your objective isn't to make a kill every time you run into a room, then trollololol your way out 50 WP richer. The fact that you think that is how it works is just proof of how brokenly powerful the projectile damage profile is.

Can someone ban this guy? I played him once and he is pretty terrible I thought taking the name of CCP members was a instaban

The Minmatar philosophy is not to be tanky, it's to be out the door before they even have to tank in the first place, but if they do take a hit, they want their downtime to be low. An eHP buff is unnecessary, but a regen buff fits them perfectly.

Lol@you sir. No. If tanks don't get nerfed, neither do forge guns.