Just means that my cal and min suits won't get chopped up as fast. My gallente and amarr suits will suffer, but them's the breaks.

Oh, did I mention? I run all racial sentinel and commandos, and I field every single weapon in the game.

If I wind up eating HMG all day I'll swap to the plasma cannon, mass driver or forge gun (That one's hard for HMG gunners to get to). If I get chugged by a buncha laserblazers I'll swap to caldari or gallente fits.

This really isn't a huge worry for me. I'm not offended by the idea of swapping to the right tool/fit/tactic for the job.

But jesus you people seem to think that versatility is a foul word.

It's quite the opposite,actually. Here i am defending the versatile nature of the CR and a -5/+5 damage profile. Oh, and I knew you were a heavy BTW.

I hope you don't think I'm here to "defend my crutch" or anything of the sort. I run whatever the battle demands, from shotgun to my cold hard hands if necessary. I would just rather try to avoid the old "nerf buff cycle", ya know?

It's not the crutch thing. It's the fact that +5/-5 makes the projectile profile the swiss army knife of DUST. THe tool for every job because neither armor nor shields will have a measurable advantage. That alone would be worth a mass swap to CR and relegation of all other weapons to niche role, especially when caldari and gallente weapons are by design supposed to be the most "balanced."

Changing projectiles to +5/-5 makes them the omniweapon, the tool you can use for every job.

In my opinion, the CR isn't as effective to shields as people make it out to be, especially the ACR.
I guess the only thing to do is wait and see. I just hope this is one of those things that sounds horrible on paper but makes sense in game.

Assault CR users can actually kill my calsent before my HMG reticle tightens fully when I'm unloading. When I run the CalSent the Burst HMG is not optional, it's the only option that is survivable.

The only exception to this rule is the forge gun at 120+ meters. Because if I can't beat you in close I'll outrange and out-alpha you.

Is this going to be paired with WP rewards related to the tier of injector used? I know this was talked about by the Devs a while ago but we haven't heard specifics about this idea for a long time.

You answered why they would change it yourself, lol.

As for the hotfixes, I think once again the game is on the right track of reaching near perfect balance. Good Job, Rattatai.

Only thing I'd add is maybe higher dispersion on the standard variant of RR, much for the same reason that the dispersion should be raised on the standard ScR. They are precision rifles that excel at both CQC and medium range which is why they tend to outshine the CR and AR in CQC, while logically outperforming them at range.

The suit may be a proto suit but my drop ship isnt at proto level either which i why i mention the price of my ship with only ADV modules, turret included. The proto suit isnt used exclusivley for av its just a fit you have on your proto suit. Also proto could only cost 8K isk and 155 loyalty points. currently what 20 AUR? 1 FW and you're set.1 drop ship loss is 3 matches just to try to break even. flying one out four matches just to not go isk negative, yep balanced.


Suits can get away by finding cover. Suits get killed when they're out in the open without cover, exaclty the same as a firefight. You get caught crossing an open area somebody with a rail rifle will take you down. I don't see how this uniquely apllies to dropships.

Thats funny because commando suits like the MK.0 are great for swarms and infantyr to point where rattati is about to nerf the **** out of projectile weapons. The only pure disadvantage is if you use a gal/cal/min logi suit as your swarm fit. Sidearms man, or in the case of commandos another light weapon. Also if infantry are wiping you out on the ground before you can even get a good look at a vehicle with swarms your prioritizing the big scary flying thing in the air over hte roving bands or infantry killing your team thats where you are making the worng tactical choice.

With missile "spam" we only have 8 shots before reloading. It looks innacurate on the ground because we have to fire using a white crosshair thrgouh the back of a white ship. We litterally cannot see the target we have to fire when the red dot over his head matches up. like you said tow or three missiles hits to kill a suit, generally its about 3 to five rounds if your a good shot.

In an endurance battle no way with proto swarms doing around 1.2K damage with a bonus vs armor, even if i survive his third volley i certainly wont survive whatever else is incoming. That why drops ships afterburn away after the first hit because we dont know what else is comming.

My main weapon isn't some top secret classified specialized nuke. Its a small turret. Anybody with a LAV can use them. I'm still waiting for people to say LAVs with heavy gunners are so OP.

If kill a group of 3 players 3x50 150 WP. You get two salvoes off 2X75 =150 WP.

Obviously if i'm in a vehicle the poor old infantry WITHOUT AV are going to have a bad time.

1 forge gunner can do a really good job of terminating a dropship. The forge round hoever doest follow me all over the sky.1 wyrokami with take less time to find a lock than the forger gunner will hurt me pretty badly and get minmimum 75 wp just by looking in my direction.

If costs equal possible damage cause then why do tanks with MUCH more HP, large mounted turrets, and higher DPS cost less?

Tanks have a vertical advantage,ADS have a horizontal advantage.

HAVs can be trapped,HAVs can be destroyed using REs and proxies,HAVs have to deal with terrain,HAVs can be destroyed using JLAVs.

ADS has to fear 2 weapons:forges and swarms,but are immune to every other vehicle counter.

Large blaster dispersion should have remained nerfed.

I would rather not go into this bitter dispute, but let's make something absolutely clear. An ADS pilot, can, with afterburners literally always avoid death. A solo swarm can not destroy an ADS, much less in 5 seconds and certainly not "every time he shows his face". The good pilots all know and admit this and are running crazy KDR's, especially if two proto swarmers and one proto forger are what is necessary to down an ADS, then one must admit it is in a good place. We are however, willing to make the ADS cheaper to fly so more people can skill into and enjoy them, and make swarm turn radius less drastic so skilled pilots can do combat maneuvers around buildings and terrain to avoid them.

Tanks have a vertical advantage,ADS have a horizontal advantage.

HAVs can be trapped,HAVs can be destroyed using REs and proxies,HAVs have to deal with terrain,HAVs can be destroyed using JLAVs.

ADS has to fear 2 weapons:forges and swarms,but are immune to every other vehicle counter.

Large blaster dispersion should have remained nerfed.

Gabby your words always move me and seem thoughtful.

Personally I see the ads as a fire support, high damage, low tank vehicle capable of withstanding singular av attacks only for a few hit and runs but threatened by multiple sources of av to the point where an ads can no longer do its job when av is present.

Swarms should be shoulder mounted free fire large missile launcher like weapons dealing high damage if they hit and low damage (but possibly some, an Rpg is needed) against infantry

Edit- 12 shot rapid fire flaylock launcher :O

they didnt have 4 low slots moron. caldari perform better than amarr right now when they are fitted correctly with shield regen. they operate completely independent of a logi and technically they resist HMGs more as it is because of proficiency.

the only thing amarr's armor resists is projectiles. the other resistance is -10 hybrid rail against their shields. which is next to useless because we can't even run a shield extender anymore.

this will be so horribly unfair that it would be like taking speed away from min scouts. i will seriously stop using CCP's products and never look back at this BS.

snipers I really feel your pain right now.

Minmatar getting a ehp increase? I hope they lose some speed for that.

Also, ni mention of Gallente sentinel getting a slight repair bonus for losing it's low slot? Just a 1-2 point buff would make up for it.