If ScR rof is to be adjested...

Rof: 600-650 is a way better start at balancing this. People are throwing out numbers like 400-500. Those are clearly QQers trying to nerf it into the ground while running 1000+ armor HP sentinals/assaults.

This (600-650) is a fair enough trade. But the damage profile wil need adjusting then.


Scr: +20/-20

Rr: -10/+20

This shows that the scrambler rifle is the most nerfed weapon on off damage already!! You basically are forced to go for headshots only with this weapon if you want it to kill a heavy. Which is all too common now.

Nerfing the Rof is a bad idea imo. But if it is to be done, it shouldnt be taken to the extreme. It should also come with damage profile balances that were necessary ever since the proficiency skills were adjusted to prefer type damage only.


new Scr/LR damage profile:

+20/-10


To match the Rail rifle but oppisite (Shields/Armor).



I also saw Rattati mention a buff to the Assault Scrambler rifle damage. This is another approach, but the profile change could make that idea work even more.

Um. I probably should have said this earlier, but I though someone else would have corrected you by now. I've seen you say this 4 separate times today...

...but uh, the Hybrid/Railgun damage profile is -10/+10, not -10/+20.

Feel free to use this for future reference on Damage Profiles.

This should be put up to a vote like the ambush thread was. And a 10/10 profile should be included.

anyway

will a sniper have less range than a forge gun now? technically giving them more damage SHOULD help fill the void from OBs not getting dropped on reds camping on buildings, but if it's under 300 meters they will be easy prey for forge gunners

200m in the redline is incredibly viable on certain maps like the Dom pipe road compound map in the city

Did you ever tryed to counter-snipe bricked Amarr Proto Sentinel with Thale??? Or anything that has at least combined 1000hp? It's currently not possible with maxed prof. & 5 dmg mods.

Thats why you bring in the Dropship (people forget dropships are a snipers worst enemy) and either smash it on his head or drop a couple nasty heavies wit boundless machine guns on top of him. Again Sniping is not risk free. People are just too lazy to actually switch to a sniper fit and take out that nasty sniper or call in an ads and go kill them. And yes i have with an ishukone sniper rifle and i had no problem killing them. Try shooting them in the head next time.

200m in the redline is incredibly viable on certain maps like the Dom pipe road compound map in the city

I agree with you on this if there was a way for scouts to increase and decrease zoom, but they can't. I feel CCP needs to remove the sniper rifle from medium and heavy frame suits completely. I know they have worked on advertising this, but its one of the biggest reasons why they have problems with snipers in the game. I feel if they can give heavy suits can use a light weapon like that then medium and light suits should be able to also tote forge guns. Maybe that is the type of reason that is needed to give the heavy sniper rifle attention it needs. It just is silly to have and is something keeping the game from growing to what CCP and the players want. Even the ones who are not wise enough to understand these things, CCP just needs to save these players from themselves...

Sooooooooo what should a Cal Commando use instead?

Sooooooooo what should a Cal Commando use instead?

apparently prayer, because the only thing that can range a sniper rifle is a sniper rifle...

And if you only allow scouts to have sniper rifles...

Calmandos would be stuck dual-wielding RRs because loading anything else wastes the bonus

Caldari commando has best of bost worlds, it has the rail rifle, and it has the swarm launcher. That is the unique 2 light arm weapons CCP has bestowed on it. You can kill a vehicle one moment while mowing down infranty, if that is your choice to solely play as an Caldari only commando. for Amarr it's Lasers and Scramblers, for Gallente its Assault Rifles, Shotguns, and Plasma cannons, Minmitar, Combat Rifles, and Mass Drivers. I mean seriously, what more can you ask for other then perhaps the introduction of new light weapons, but giving a sniper rifle to any type of Heavy suit or medium suit breaks the game function. This is simple logic in my eyes to grasp, Something well armored should not be able to shoot across the field given how many factors stack within it's favor.

With the Delta proposal for snipers it reminds me of throwing chum in shark (sniper haters) infested waters and creating a feeding frenzy.

That snipers are risk-free is a fallacy, posts #29 and #30 address that as do others that point out how ADS are a major risk to snipers.

Every decent sniper knows that all snipers can be counter sniped, I agree some are harder than others but all can be countered. I understand that the slayer mentality player doesnt want to delay the slayer play style to deal with a sniper or that slayers dont like to snipe (hence the resistance to use a counter sniper). I understand that slayers want to casually walk up to a crouching aiming sniper and kill it EZ. Snipers are attracted to the long shot not the mid-range shot or CQC. The argument to reduce range isnt because snipers are risk-free, its more that slayers dont want deal with what counters a sniper.

Sniper rifles are for the most part UP. The Charge (proto) and Thales (officer) are the most damaging ones and they should be. As far as risk/reward , the snipers are lower risk but are rewarded less. Anyone that says they are no-risk and high reward are trying to sell you a bridge.

Sniper is low risk low reward until you get yourself a CK.0 Calamando a thales 3 damage mods and a f*** of armor HP. Also it's hard to counter a sniper when there are no tracers, if your counter sniping and you cannot spot the sniper that you are trying to snipe and he sees you that's it you already lost, most of the time its pretty hard to find a sniper and eliminate him. Also most snipers can snipe deep into the redzone where dropships can't go, and if a dropship does get ballzy and your in your Calamando you deserve to die for not fitting a swarm launcher, so even dropships have a counter when sniping. And as infantry the "slayers" you cannot counter if a) you can't find him b) he is in a super stacked suit c) if he is in one of those special sniper areas where bullets magically disappear.

A sniper should be hard to spot... there are no tracers but there are directional hit markers and distance shown...the fatter the suit the easier to spot. ADS can go into redline just have to watch timer...Calmando with a swarm wont kill ADS by himself unless the pilot hovers for him and most pilots know better and if your so deep into the red line your reducing the amount of targets available which means less rewards.

The other issue with snipers is hit boxes (not hit detection). You can see them poking their heads of the hills in the back of the map, but if you're not of an equal or higher height, then you can do absolutely no damage to them as a counter sniper. This is especially apparent when discovering someone sitting atop the MCC, and killing them can be nearly impossible depending on their exact location on it, as the MCC's hit box extends beyond the actual MCC model.

Milita HMG yesh yesh yesh so now when I get mad of dying in my scout suit I can run a MLT Heavy and murder

I'm kinda against a Militia HMG... if it were to be implemented, then it should overheat fairly quickly (about 2 seconds).

I'm kinda against a Militia HMG... if it were to be implemented, then it should overheat fairly quickly (about 2 seconds).

there is cheap (225 isk, 25 LP) & no skill variant Republic HMG from Minmatar LP shop with better stats & fitting req. than militia HMG will be... so presence of militia HMG doesn't change anything.