Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter.

Ive noticed that these feedback posts usually cater to a handfull that dedicate themselves to be forum warriors and lobby for changes to benefit their play styles. The different classes of drop suits implies different play styles, some like offensive oriented slayer type of play while others enjoy defensive and each choose a class accordingly. Devs should be unbiased when making changes and not buckle to the popular forum rants. Consider the forum posters are a minority in the playing community, the majority of players dont post.

This brings me to the Snipers. Seems like snipers are always hated and thats part of a snipers draw. All I ever hear from haters is how ineffective snipers are, how theyre not helping the team because they arent on the battle front slaying. Described by most an inconvenience rather than a threat . Well snipers arent slayers , they are specialists. A slayer feels satisfaction with his ability to scurry around with his gunplay, a sniper gets satisfaction by head shooting a cloaked scout running across an open area at 10 mps at 500 m. Different accomplishments with different skills.

Considering a range reduction to snipers is ridiculous,by definition a sniper is someone that shoots from a concealed distant position. The argument that there is no counter has been brought up before and has been responded by many saying every thing from counter sniper to Kamikaze DS with militia heavy fits dropping on snipers.

If anything snipers need a buff to damage , better zoom and hit detection . While were talking about changes , the reticle should be changed back to a dot for better accuracy. To nerf the sniper in any way will alienate a group of players from the game . Will reduce the diversity even further by forcing a mid range / CQC slayer only type of game.

Sorry, Jaceon, but this is a democracy. Where everyone's opinion counts equally, and more people hate the existence of a sniper rifle in any form than anyone is willing to have it be viable PC weapon- which right now includes every weapon except the Ion Pistol and Sniper Rifle.

The game is risk/reward driven, sitting in a concealed position 500m away in the redline is probably one of the lowest risk things you can do.

Hence the reward being the stupidly useless sniper rifle we have now.

If you want buffs, you have to give up range so that you are closer to the action.
You can do more damage, but expect for people to be able to retaliate.

A counter snipe (AKA need itself to counter), a dropship and an orbital.

If you think that's a fair requirement of force to take down a sniper then I have no further comment.



Edit:
That Logi and heavy combo can be easily dislodged with a few remotes or concentrated fire or grenades or nova knives or a plasma cannon (soon to be buffed) etc'.

As much as I hate them, they aren't nearly as hard to remove as a sniper.

and their 1 death came from a guy who had to fly into the redline just to kill them. Then he died.

So you think a heavy, running with a Logi, being in a firefight...on the point...is the same as a guy sitting 600 meters...possibly near a supply depot...also possibably in a fat suit...sitting on a mountain...with no danger of losing his suit are the same.

Remove the redzone, snipers might be affected.

I said orbitals because it's always mentioned eventually.

Now tell me, again, why do you think it's fair that snipers require special attention to dislodge?
Why do you need to suicide with a dropship to remove them?
Why do you need to bring out a sniper (countering something with itself is always a bad idea in design)?


You can call me an idiot or a troll, but mark my words if snipers become powerful and can still snipe from the safety of the redline, they will get the nerf bat as snipers plague the game.

Buff the cpu/pg off all tanks please gunnlogis need pg and maddys need cpu.

Rattati, could you give us the average KD of snipers?

I think it would be an interesting metric to see.
If it's higher than average by a large margin, then you can definitely say that they are safer than others

@ Cat Merc

The above characterization is neither fair nor accurate. To clarify, there was a brief conversation behind closed doors wherein concerns were raised about your occasional, pro-Gallentean leanings. We'd discussed that you were perhaps at times misguided (i.e. "AR-514 is the best 514!"), but we did not conclude that you were an idiot or troll.

As far as the Shop is concerned, your opinions are as valid as those of any other veteran. Please accept my apologies for the above mischaracterization.

It's rather amusing when you people have pre established ideas of who I am to the point where you reject anything I say.

I have many people from whom I ask to post my ideas in their name, and those tend to be accepted with a massive yes.
It's rather amusing to watch happen.

I also said use an ADS :P

There is also a forge or a rail tank, though those are more difficult solutions.

I'm not saying that snipers are overpowered now, I'm just saying that buffs must come with a nerf to their safety.

The thinking behind it is to demonstrate to new players that as these skills are already unlocked and with some SP already there, they're considered important enough for them to carry on putting in SP in them.

Coupled with the missing militia weapons being added so a new player can try all weapons before committing SP, we think this will have a positive effect on the NPE.

If you hadn't ruined my burst HMG and made the Incubus completely and hilariously obsolete, this update wouldn't be such a bad thing.


Also, if you would have done something with the god forsaken shotguns, that would have been nice.