Lol someone who actually understands! People say it's okay because they haven't used the ASCR in PC. Otherwise they'd realize how stupid it is.

I'd prefer that combat rifles have -5%/+5% profile.

The difference is that it can kill with 1 charge shot.. That's why I compared the ASCR to the CBR, idk maybe you're right. But if you're wrong then some of us will be out 5m sp.

Well swarms are a little bit too good right now....

Seriously? more changes to swarms? are you not aware that 3 swarm volleys can knock down any proto incubus/python guaranteed?

is it not enough that you send us scurrying away with our heads between our legs every time we see those fiery yellow balls?

You dont even render half the time... can lock on from 175 m.... and can deal huge amounts of damage by simply pointing at us for 1.4 seconds... that's ridiculous... there is no skill at all involved in that... try flying for a change... it's hard enough for new players as it is.

I dont know why swarms can't be content to be a heavy damage area denial weapon... why do they feel they should kill a high skill pilot in a 500k dropship every time he shows his face... these steps have been in the wrong direction and i fear ads's will be nerfed beyond help at this rate.

If 2 swarm launcher volley hits me, an ishukone assault forge can 1 shot me... 2 volleys tend to connect most of the time... that means i either have to dodge that forge gun or dodge the swarms... as the forge gun is a higher skill player aimed weapon i dont have a problem with forgers beating the hell out of me... but a dude who just points at me and kills me in 5 seconds? i cant have that unless you reduce the price of ads, its bad enough losing this much isk as it is

Swarms - efficiency against assault dropships needs to be improved fairly, there are a few ways (increased speed, nerf afterburners, increased lock on timers, probably not lock on range nor damage). We will buff normal dropship ehp to make up for their shortcomings.

The suit may be a proto suit but my drop ship isnt at proto level either which i why i mention the price of my ship with only ADV modules, turret included. The proto suit isnt used exclusivley for av its just a fit you have on your proto suit. Also proto could only cost 8K isk and 155 loyalty points. currently what 20 AUR? 1 FW and you're set.1 drop ship loss is 3 matches just to try to break even. flying one out four matches just to not go isk negative, yep balanced.


Suits can get away by finding cover. Suits get killed when they're out in the open without cover, exaclty the same as a firefight. You get caught crossing an open area somebody with a rail rifle will take you down. I don't see how this uniquely apllies to dropships.

Thats funny because commando suits like the MK.0 are great for swarms and infantyr to point where rattati is about to nerf the **** out of projectile weapons. The only pure disadvantage is if you use a gal/cal/min logi suit as your swarm fit. Sidearms man, or in the case of commandos another light weapon. Also if infantry are wiping you out on the ground before you can even get a good look at a vehicle with swarms your prioritizing the big scary flying thing in the air over hte roving bands or infantry killing your team thats where you are making the worng tactical choice.

With missile "spam" we only have 8 shots before reloading. It looks innacurate on the ground because we have to fire using a white crosshair thrgouh the back of a white ship. We litterally cannot see the target we have to fire when the red dot over his head matches up. like you said tow or three missiles hits to kill a suit, generally its about 3 to five rounds if your a good shot.

In an endurance battle no way with proto swarms doing around 1.2K damage with a bonus vs armor, even if i survive his third volley i certainly wont survive whatever else is incoming. That why drops ships afterburn away after the first hit because we dont know what else is comming.

My main weapon isn't some top secret classified specialized nuke. Its a small turret. Anybody with a LAV can use them. I'm still waiting for people to say LAVs with heavy gunners are so OP.

If kill a group of 3 players 3x50 150 WP. You get two salvoes off 2X75 =150 WP.

Obviously if i'm in a vehicle the poor old infantry WITHOUT AV are going to have a bad time.

1 forge gunner can do a really good job of terminating a dropship. The forge round hoever doest follow me all over the sky.1 wyrokami with take less time to find a lock than the forger gunner will hurt me pretty badly and get minmimum 75 wp just by looking in my direction.

If costs equal possible damage cause then why do tanks with MUCH more HP, large mounted turrets, and higher DPS cost less?

Did you ever tryed to counter-snipe bricked Amarr Proto Sentinel with Thale??? Or anything that has at least combined 1000hp? It's currently not possible with maxed prof. & 5 dmg mods.

I agree with you on this if there was a way for scouts to increase and decrease zoom, but they can't. I feel CCP needs to remove the sniper rifle from medium and heavy frame suits completely. I know they have worked on advertising this, but its one of the biggest reasons why they have problems with snipers in the game. I feel if they can give heavy suits can use a light weapon like that then medium and light suits should be able to also tote forge guns. Maybe that is the type of reason that is needed to give the heavy sniper rifle attention it needs. It just is silly to have and is something keeping the game from growing to what CCP and the players want. Even the ones who are not wise enough to understand these things, CCP just needs to save these players from themselves...

Sooooooooo what should a Cal Commando use instead?