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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:53:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:You are already moving at full speed while holding a charge with a Nova Knife. I will however do some testing to double check, but from what I can see you should be moving at the same speed while charging as walking normally.
Was nearly certain that:
* forward momentum slows during slash animation
* walking while holding charge is slower than regular walking
If I'm wrong on these points, then I apologize; it is not my intent to mislead.
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IgniteableAura
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:12:00 -
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Every time you swipe you "slow down"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOU&list=UUPEDnyW3VLCVue8my3DxMkg#t=93
@1:37 1m away, swipe....miss.
@ 3:08 backpedal is OP. That dude would have killed me had his mag not been empty.
@4:29 backpedal wins.
@5:31 backpedal wins.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:18:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:You are already moving at full speed while holding a charge with a Nova Knife. I will however do some testing to double check, but from what I can see you should be moving at the same speed while charging as walking normally.
Was nearly certain that: * forward momentum slows during slash animation * walking while holding charge is slower than regular walking If I'm wrong on these points, then I apologize; it is not my intent to mislead.
That is 100% fact.
Also, the sprint bug persists, logibro. Turn on a cloak and try and sprint. You have to engage sprint a couple times before it happens. Same with knifing.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:41:00 -
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o7 dude you rock.
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Archduke Ferd1nand
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:48:00 -
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The only way to fix that is to allow sprint charge for the first .X seconds from charging (i.e. sprinting, start charging, can continue sprinting for .X seconds while charging)
^^That would help knifers more than anything. Fixes backpedal too.
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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 01:29:00 -
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Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:
The only way to fix that is to allow sprint charge for the first .X seconds from charging (i.e. sprinting, start charging, can continue sprinting for .X seconds while charging)
^^That would help knifers more than anything. Fixes backpedal too.
Provided .X is very brief, this might actually work.
That said, permitting sprint/charge seems likely to be linked to a Boolean value; your suggestion would require additional parameters which may not exist client-side. Meaning, the coding which governs sprint/charge is likely "yes" or "no" and likely not able to handle conditionals like "yes for .05 seconds, but then no". 
Very clever though; way to think outside the box :-)
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.16 01:58:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:You are already moving at full speed while holding a charge with a Nova Knife. I will however do some testing to double check, but from what I can see you should be moving at the same speed while charging as walking normally.
Was nearly certain that: * forward momentum slows during slash animation * walking while holding charge is slower than regular walking If I'm wrong on these points, then I apologize; it is not my intent to mislead. That is 100% fact. Also, the sprint bug persists, logibro. Turn on a cloak and try and sprint. You have to engage sprint a couple times before it happens. Same with knifing. Edit- Logibro, is there a reason you aren't in game testing this for yourself? Or have you tried and can not replicate it? It is so persistent it happens exactly every time, so it isn't hard to replicate at all. It might help exponentially in fixing these issues if you just broke down and tried it out for yourself. Please, don't take our word for it. go experience it.
The sprinting glitch arises immediately after firing a weapon, throwing a grenade (maybe...), using/placing equipments, and etc... then sprinting while doing so, which cancels/interrupts the previous action (there is no pause between the action and then sprinting). It is very easy to replicate... |
mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 02:41:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:
The sprinting glitch arises immediately after firing a weapon, throwing a grenade (maybe...), using/placing equipments, and etc... then sprinting while doing so, which cancels/interrupts the previous action (there is no pause between the action and then sprinting). It is very easy to replicate...
yep. it permeates every action you can take before trying to sprint. it's been afflicting us since what.. 1.2? I can't recall.. but it has been the suck. Next to glitchy terrain, it is the worst bug for knifers and exacerbates all the other issues.
thanks for expounding upon the issue.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.16 04:10:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:
The sprinting glitch arises immediately after firing a weapon, throwing a grenade (maybe...), using/placing equipments, and etc... then sprinting while doing so, which cancels/interrupts the previous action (there is no pause between the action and then sprinting). It is very easy to replicate...
yep. it permeates every action you can take before trying to sprint. it's been afflicting us since what.. 1.2? I can't recall.. but it has been the suck. Next to glitchy terrain, it is the worst bug for knifers and exacerbates all the other issues. thanks for expounding upon the issue.
I think it was around 1.4 or 1.5 actually... 1.2 was the introduction of the Commando (we only had the Amarr Heavy then though...), and I don't remember the glitch existing then.
The other odd thing is that we use to have 'phantom revive markers', where the indicator was there, but no body. Ominously, in 1.8, they came back... strange. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.07.16 06:24:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:
As far as reducing backwards moving speed, it's not "It's never going to happen". It's more "This is a massive change because it affects every suit, and if we're going to do it, we're going to cover our bases, check everything, and do it right".
Wrote your patch notes for you :)
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- Changes to backwards suit speeds
Instead of back-pedaling at 100% of forward movement speed, we've adjusted this value to x% of forward movement speed. This resolves some sorely unbalanced free pass death avoidance issues related to knives without the need for hacks (no pun intended). It also adds some tactical depth to pretty much everything anyone does related to movement.
What this means for situationally unaware mercs confronted by a knife is that they should now turn tail and run if they happen to still be standing, and thank their lucky stars throwing knives isn't a thing.
Ideally we wanted to add mechanics that meant you *could* move backwards at 100% speed but risk falling flat on your arse unless you also looked backwards at the same time, but this is outside of the scope of DUST. We will however be looking at a more polished mechanic in Legion.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.07.16 06:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:
The only way to fix that is to allow sprint charge for the first .X seconds from charging (i.e. sprinting, start charging, can continue sprinting for .X seconds while charging)
^^That would help knifers more than anything. Fixes backpedal too.
Provided .X is very brief, this might actually work well ... if it were possible. Permitting sprint/charge seems likely to be linked to a Boolean value; your suggestion would require additional parameters which may not exist client-side. Meaning, the coding which governs sprint/charge is likely looking for "yes" or "no" and likely not equipped to handle conditionals like "yes for 0.25 seconds, but then no". Very clever though; way to think outside the box :-)
Sprint-charge with no
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Fremder V1
Armed And Aimless
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Posted - 2014.07.16 06:48:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Not sure what it is you're trying to say, but 100% backpedal speed is not an FPS standard. As such, it should be explained and justified by those who support it.
I'm trying to say two things:
1) This change would come with a bunch off side effects. Like a significant buff to shotguns, harder to doge remotes and grenades, and because it would take longer to get back into cover, even a reduced overall TTK. None off that strikes me as positive. And those are just the things i can think off at the top of my head.
All off it and more could be adjusted accordingly, just not as easy as some here seem to think.
2) The one theoretically positive effect, a better close quarter performance with knifes, i would prefer to get in another way. Like i said in my first post, backpedaling never really bothered me. If it's possible to overcome the problems of the small FOV otherwise, and maybe even fix those mentioned bugs, i'm happy if my opponent still has this good possibility to fight back, if i mess up my attack.
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Haerr
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:19:00 -
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Haerr wrote:I've been trying out the Nova Knives for a bit now and while it is going a lot better than it did during the Shinobi event the sprint bugs are still there and very noticeably so. I keep running into it while I swipe and then try to either sprint or sprint jump to catch up with people back pedalling, often resulting in getting stuck in place and becoming an easy target.
What do you guys do to avoid running into this?
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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:53:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
Ideally we wanted to add mechanics that meant you *could* move backwards at 100% speed but risk falling flat on your arse unless you also looked backwards at the same time, but this is outside of the scope of DUST. We will however be looking at a more polished mechanic in Legion.
LMAO ... good stuff, Duncan!
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:54:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:CCP Logibro, how exactly do you see "Aim adhesion" improving Nova Knives? It's true that DUST has a notoriously small Field of View (FOV), probably the smallest of any FPS ever, but how will aim adhesion help when people causally walk away faster than you can move forward.
Charge sprinting: is this like, people asking for a lunge mechanic or the ability to hold a charge while sprinting?
And if we can't hold the charge while sprinting, can we at least have the charge maintain 100% forward movement?
I can walk backwards at 100% speed, but I can't walk forward at 100% speed. that's just ******* ********.
So lets start this again, instead of asking for you to reduce backwards speed, why don't you try to justify the value of moving backwards faster than you can move sideways.
Maintaining the status quo for the sake of maintaining the status quo does not make the game better. I was under the impression that these hotfixes were to improve the game through balance and fixing mistakes that never should have been there. Warbarge and Merc Quarters have you move backwards slower than forwards, why is in combat OK for this to be and not the other mode?
Why is it 100% in the first place?
^This and sprinting glitch. Moving backwards should be slower than moving sideways technically, and definitely slower than moving forward 100%.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 17:45:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Haerr wrote:I've been trying out the Nova Knives for a bit now and while it is going a lot better than it did during the Shinobi event the sprint bugs are still there and very noticeably so. I keep running into it while I swipe and then try to either sprint or sprint jump to catch up with people back pedalling, often resulting in getting stuck in place and becoming an easy target.
What do you guys do to avoid running into this?
Edit: (:...[=\===> quoted from barbershop
Meant to respond. I will respond there!
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:03:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Haerr wrote:Haerr wrote:I've been trying out the Nova Knives for a bit now and while it is going a lot better than it did during the Shinobi event the sprint bugs are still there and very noticeably so. I keep running into it while I swipe and then try to either sprint or sprint jump to catch up with people back pedalling, often resulting in getting stuck in place and becoming an easy target.
What do you guys do to avoid running into this?
Edit: (:...[=\===> quoted from barbershop Meant to respond. I will respond there!
Has CCP even responded to that bug?
"One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:04:00 -
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Bad News, Brothers!
Walked between two fixed points ... time elapsed: 7 seconds.
Walked between the same points holding a charge ... 7 seconds.
Walked between the same points all the while slashing ... 7 seconds.
We were wrong. 
This changes nothing!
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:31:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:what race is the nova knifes and is it good on shield or armor. Just asking this cause nova knifes is the only weapon i never used in the game. It's nova knife time 
Caldari. Both.
"One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
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CCP Logibro
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:32:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bad News, Brothers! Following up on earlier claim: Walked between two fixed points ... time elapsed: 7 seconds. Walked between the same points holding a charge ... 7 seconds. Walked between the same points all the while slashing ... 7 seconds. We were wrong.
This changes nothing!
Yep, I tested the same. I have a feeling what's happening a lot is people moving in all sorts of directions in close combat, and that's where you lose space. The aim adhesion should directly address this.
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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:44:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:... I have a feeling what's happening a lot is people moving in all sorts of directions in close combat, and that's where you lose space. The aim adhesion should directly address this.
Makes sense. Looking forward trying it out :-)
Thanks again for working on this for us. o7
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IgniteableAura
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:48:00 -
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Can we make the knives "swing faster" aka apply their damage more quickly?
Because while I think the increase in aim adhesion and range will improve a little bit in CQC, it will always remain impossible to knife someone while they are sprinting unless you do a "sprint, jump, charge, land, swipe".
Currently you swipe when you think you will hit someone (1m), when you swipe while sprinting you slow down to walk speed, the person in front of you will in turn "gain enough ground" to get outside of the knife range. They will also hear the knife swipe, bunnyhop, twirl and backpedal so you cannot hit them. ---------> dead scout.
^thats the scenario that makes knives frustrating.
Please explain how aim adhesion will allow us to hit a "gaining ground" target.
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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 19:00:00 -
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@ Iggy
Isn't the plan aim adhesion + range increase?
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 19:15:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Aim adhesion will help with tracking a target at very close quarters. I'll be initially at least trialling it activating only at 1.5m and below. It's not meant to help with hitting someone back pedalling away.
As far as reducing backwards moving speed, it's not "It's never going to happen". It's more "This is a massive change because it affects every suit, and if we're going to do it, we're going to cover our bases, check everything, and do it right". If I can fix Nova Knives in the interim without having to change it, then that's preferable as I have a number of other things I also want to fit into Charlie (HMG changes, Swarm Changes, maybe some others)
* What are input methods to gain Aim adhesion ability? Only dualshock3 or all input?
* Do you have the new range and delay number between slash?
* Thank you for say it out loud about backwards moving speed, so now we can move on.
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IgniteableAura
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Posted - 2014.07.16 19:56:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Iggy
Isn't the plan aim adhesion + range increase?
Thats what I understand, but how is aim adhesion going to keep the target from gaining ground as you swipe? The range can help, but I suppose time will tell, 0.5m wont help us much IMO.
Aim adhesion will help you keep on target in CQC as they strafe, but it won't make you "faster"
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:23:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Bad News, Brothers! Following up on earlier claim: Walked between two fixed points ... time elapsed: 7 seconds. Walked between the same points holding a charge ... 7 seconds. Walked between the same points all the while slashing ... 7 seconds. We were wrong.
This changes nothing! Yep, I tested the same. I have a feeling what's happening a lot is people moving in all sorts of directions in close combat, and that's where you lose space. The aim adhesion should directly address this.
Wonder if the Sprint bug has anything to do with this.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:12:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:mollerz wrote:Haerr wrote:Haerr wrote:I've been trying out the Nova Knives for a bit now and while it is going a lot better than it did during the Shinobi event the sprint bugs are still there and very noticeably so. I keep running into it while I swipe and then try to either sprint or sprint jump to catch up with people back pedalling, often resulting in getting stuck in place and becoming an easy target.
What do you guys do to avoid running into this?
Edit: (:...[=\===> quoted from barbershop Meant to respond. I will respond there! Has CCP even responded to that bug?
Only that they can't replicate it.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:13:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Bad News, Brothers! Following up on earlier claim: Walked between two fixed points ... time elapsed: 7 seconds. Walked between the same points holding a charge ... 7 seconds. Walked between the same points all the while slashing ... 7 seconds. We were wrong.
This changes nothing! Yep, I tested the same. I have a feeling what's happening a lot is people moving in all sorts of directions in close combat, and that's where you lose space. The aim adhesion should directly address this.
Ok. Hmm.. well I am certainly curious to try it out!
One thing tho- the sprint bug is a completely separate issue.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:20:00 -
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I remembered the other NK change I thought would help a lot. Can we have an auditory que when the knife is fully charged. It is really hard to tell when you are fully charged or not in fast moving conditions.
And please- not like you guys wrecked the charged sniper rifle with it's hair dryer sound. maybe a slight beep or something.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:20:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I remembered the other NK change I thought would help a lot. Can we have an auditory que when the knife is fully charged. It is really hard to tell when you are fully charged or not in fast moving conditions.
And please- not like you guys wrecked the charged sniper rifle with it's hair dryer sound. maybe a slight beep or something.
If I can hear it, they can hear it, and I really don't need more Heavies pirouetting when I'm at 3m and closing :-)
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