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Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 560	Posted - 2014.07.22 20:17:00 - [211] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Bormir1r wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Any reply about Nova knives getting MORE efficiency to vehicles than Mass Drivers? Cause honestly if it happens that would just be extremely silly. There hasn't been a response because this is a "nova knife" feedback thread. If there is anything we have learned, its that the Devs prefer to only have feedback on the topic at hand and not some wild squirrel chase. The NK has to be within 1m of that tank to apply its damage, the mass driver doesn't have that restriction. Therefore no, the mass driver should not have 50% efficacy. 40% efficacy vs 50% is going to be <20 more damage even with the MD. It would be a giant waste of dev time for them to go and change all the weapon efficacy values for such a "pointless" change. There's even the possibility of getting run over when you get that close to a tank, all they have to do is move back in the direction you are and you're "road kill." I've noticed also some annoying glitch when attempting to plant REs on the back - it's like it bumps you about - tank's not even moving as far as I know. Now I think about the change a while ago now to sticky REs, perhaps I can just throw the things from a couple metres away lol. But I like to place them precisely in a neat line along the back of the tank...coz OCD or something. Lol that works too, as long as they're stuck on to it. There's also that other bug where the REs somehow are stuck in midair after you place them on the tank, when they in fact are on the tank, and after a couple of seconds seem to follow the tank while hovering in midair. Weird stuff my friend, good thing my NK will replace my REs next Hotfix. #Flux&Knife "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4248	Posted - 2014.07.22 22:51:00 - [212] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: It would be a giant waste of dev time for them to go and change all the weapon efficacy values for such a "pointless" change. Mass Drivers should do explosive damage to vehicles at the same efficiency as swarms. That wouldn't be a "pointless" change. I never said "Please buff Mass Drivers from 40% to 50% efficiency" anywhere in my posts...I wanted to know why the hell Nova knives will be buffed to do more damage efficiency against tanks than a LAUNCHER does. Pretty sure Mass Driver rounds even fly through the air FASTER than swarms do, meaning that there's no reason for the Mass Driver to do such little damage to vehicles. Besides, Swarms deal an average of 100% damage, the PLC does an average of 100% damage, both which have huge range advantages over the nova knives. It's not like swarms get a 20% efficiency because you can be so far away from the target when firing them...your reasoning for nova knives against vehicles being "risk vs reward" is silly. The PLC also does a decent job against infantry, so you can't argue that the Mass Driver shouldn't get it because it's not an "AV" weapon. Heck if you were to say that, then the Nova knives shouldn't be doing 50% damage to vehicles in the first place because they really aren't anything close to an "AV" weapon. _______________________________________________________________________ I get that they want feedback for Nova Knives in this thread, but my feedback was essentially: Nova knives should not be buffed to do more efficiency to vehicles than Mass Drivers, because why should a knife be able to do more damage than an explosive weapon? If you buff the nova knives against vehicles, you buff the Mass Driver against vehicles. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8686	Posted - 2014.07.23 12:06:00 - [213] - Quote For discussion on other weapons, please make new thread or use an existing thread. This thread is just for Nova Knives. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2014.07.23 17:32:00 - [214] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: For discussion on other weapons, please make new thread or use an existing thread. This thread is just for Nova Knives. Is there a google doc with all the NK changes? That would be nice. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8689	Posted - 2014.07.23 17:46:00 - [215] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: For discussion on other weapons, please make new thread or use an existing thread. This thread is just for Nova Knives. Is there a google doc with all the NK changes? That would be nice. No, but the first post in this thread should be updated with all the changes. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Devadander Woodgrain Atari 33	Posted - 2014.07.23 19:00:00 - [216] - Quote http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 491	Posted - 2014.07.23 20:16:00 - [217] - Quote Devadander wrote: http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... I think the buff to the standard NK is good, which will make fits a bit easier, considering how difficult Min scout suits are to fit. I'm kinda meh about the aim adhesion, considering how long it took for me to the hang of it. I'd prefer if it remain somewhat difficult, as is. Keeps it skill based, and not something anybody can just pickup, like how forge sniping is now. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 680	Posted - 2014.07.23 21:15:00 - [218] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Bormir1r wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: For discussion on other weapons, please make new thread or use an existing thread. This thread is just for Nova Knives. Is there a google doc with all the NK changes? That would be nice. No, but the first post in this thread should be updated with all the changes. And a note for the aim adhesion: It's on now, but we haven't managed to get much out of it. At this stage we'll still deploy it on, but we may decide to roll out Charlie without the aim adhesion just to see how the other changes stand on their own. Lastly, there's a strong chance that we won't get the Fitting Optimization skill in. If that's the case, we'll just cut some base PG off the Nova Knife. I'd honestly like to see the aim adhesion left off, or like aim assist, the option to turn it off should be there if nothing else. As for everything else... Throws arms in the air Woohoo! Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3211	Posted - 2014.07.23 22:39:00 - [219] - Quote If I'm reading Logibro correctly, he's saying the change to aim adhesion will have little, if any, effect. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1940	Posted - 2014.07.23 23:47:00 - [220] - Quote Devadander wrote: http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... Yes, they do. They cost too much to fit, are ineffective at the standard and advanced tier, and have issues with hit detection. You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. And yes, some of us use them as main weapons. There's even a couple who run Nova Knives as their only weapon. Knowledge is power

JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 100	Posted - 2014.07.23 23:51:00 - [221] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Devadander wrote: http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... Yes, they do. They cost too much to fit, are ineffective at the standard and advanced tier, and have issues with hit detection. You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. And yes, some of us use them as main weapons. There's even a couple who run Nova Knives as their only weapon. 36/6 domination vs some proto, basic or std knives Pretty good, eh? Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1942	Posted - 2014.07.24 00:12:00 - [222] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Brokerib wrote: Devadander wrote: http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... Yes, they do. They cost too much to fit, are ineffective at the standard and advanced tier, and have issues with hit detection. You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. And yes, some of us use them as main weapons. There's even a couple who run Nova Knives as their only weapon. 36/6 domination vs some proto, basic or std knives Pretty good, eh? Very good! My best with knives is 8 in a match, using ZNs. Also in domination I think. Amazing how little attention people pay to bodies dropping to the ground behind them. Knowledge is power
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3678	Posted - 2014.07.24 02:36:00 - [223] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Devadander wrote: http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... Yes, they do. They cost too much to fit, are ineffective at the standard and advanced tier, and have issues with hit detection. You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. And yes, some of us use them as main weapons. There's even a couple who run Nova Knives as their only weapon. I strongly disagree with you there. They cost the same as Viziam Scrambler Pistol. That's hardly anything at all. Personal Theme Song
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1954	Posted - 2014.07.24 02:42:00 - [224] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Brokerib wrote: Devadander wrote: http://youtu.be/_s76GK2vEig?list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw Logibroman, I need you to watch Moody's NK vids and tell me.... Do the knives really need a polish? Everyone else: Are you trying to use them as a main weapon?..... Yes, they do. They cost too much to fit, are ineffective at the standard and advanced tier, and have issues with hit detection. You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. And yes, some of us use them as main weapons. There's even a couple who run Nova Knives as their only weapon. I strongly disagree with you there. They cost the same as Viziam Scrambler Pistol. That's hardly anything at all. It is on a Minja... Knowledge is power
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 941	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:38:00 - [225] - Quote Brokerib wrote: You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. We literally just rebalanced scouts around apex players (in PC), please be consistent. Dust/Eve transfers
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1955	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:56:00 - [226] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Brokerib wrote: You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. We literally just rebalanced scouts around apex players (in PC), please be consistent. It was balanced around PC the game mode, not individual PC players. PC enforces meta play that highlights min/max and balance issues far more quickley than any other mode. PC players do not equal apex players. PC equals apex game mode. Balancing around the ability of individual players is pointless. It's like those posts where you see a known slayer start an alt, max out a single weapon, play three matches and then claim that it's OP because 'I went 60/0 with it'. They didn't go 60/0 because of the weapon, they went 60/0 because they're really good a killing people. Top tier knifers could go K/D positive with a soup spoon, because apex slayers are OP. Balancing soup spoons around their play will result in everyone wielding tea spoons, while they still go 60/0. Knowledge is power
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3226	Posted - 2014.07.24 04:05:00 - [227] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Brokerib wrote: You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. We literally just rebalanced scouts around apex players (in PC), please be consistent. Fair point, but I think you mistook his meaning. There's more to weapon balance than what you see in a Moody video. For every good NK montage out there, there's an equally good NK fail montage. Knives are consistently inconsistent; Moody himself has said that they generally aren't worth using in competitive play. These weapons are wielded by 300HP mercs who risk all on one shot against a 1,500HP opponents. Inconsistency is unacceptable. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3680	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:04:00 - [228] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Top tier knifers could go K/D positive with a soup spoon, because apex slayers are OP. Balancing soup spoons around their play will result in everyone wielding tea spoons, while they still go 60/0. It is true. I go KDR positive with a soup spoon, but, Without the IshNoKs I can't knife Sentinels and Commandos or Proto-Logistics, so I shy away from the (STD) Nova Knives these days. Personal Theme Song
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3680	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:28:00 - [229] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Brokerib wrote: You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. We literally just rebalanced scouts around apex players (in PC), please be consistent. Fair point, but I think you mistook his meaning. There's more to weapon balance than what you see in a Moody video. For every good NK montage out there, there's an equally good NK fail montage. Knives are consistently inconsistent; Moody himself has said that they're generally too unreliable to count on in competitive play. Nova Knives are wielded by 300HP mercs who risk all on one shot against 1000+HP opponents. Inconsistency is unacceptable. These guys don't get second chances; they deserve a reliable weapon. And this is why I can brazenly claim I average the most Nova Knife kills in PC per match. Because no one else runs them anymore and my average is like 2.3-2.8 kills per match Personal Theme Song
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1428	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:50:00 - [230] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: And a note for the aim adhesion: It's on now, but we haven't managed to get much out of it. At this stage we'll still deploy it on, but we may decide to roll out Charlie without the aim adhesion just to see how the other changes stand on their own. Lastly, there's a strong chance that we won't get the Fitting Optimization skill in. If that's the case, we'll just cut some base PG off the Nova Knife. So you are saying the aim adhesion is on the current build? Cause I spend a good deal of time knifing last night and I didn't notice any adhesion. I actually got really frustrating trying to knife a backpedaler only to get punched in the face......his punches were longer than my knives. Made me sad and excited for the range increase. Looking forward to PG reduction. I actually prefer it this way since I won't have to invest more SP. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:00:00 - [231] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: And a note for the aim adhesion: It's on now, but we haven't managed to get much out of it. At this stage we'll still deploy it on, but we may decide to roll out Charlie without the aim adhesion just to see how the other changes stand on their own. Lastly, there's a strong chance that we won't get the Fitting Optimization skill in. If that's the case, we'll just cut some base PG off the Nova Knife. So you are saying the aim adhesion is on the current build? Cause I spend a good deal of time knifing last night and I didn't notice any adhesion. I actually got really frustrating trying to knife a backpedaler only to get punched in the face......his punches were longer than my knives. Made me sad and excited for the range increase. Looking forward to PG reduction. I actually prefer it this way since I won't have to invest more SP. Lol....wait I just got lv. 4 proficiency to be ready for the optimization skill....fml "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8717	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:28:00 - [232] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: And a note for the aim adhesion: It's on now, but we haven't managed to get much out of it. At this stage we'll still deploy it on, but we may decide to roll out Charlie without the aim adhesion just to see how the other changes stand on their own. Lastly, there's a strong chance that we won't get the Fitting Optimization skill in. If that's the case, we'll just cut some base PG off the Nova Knife. So you are saying the aim adhesion is on the current build? Cause I spend a good deal of time knifing last night and I didn't notice any adhesion. I actually got really frustrating trying to knife a backpedaler only to get punched in the face......his punches were longer than my knives. Made me sad and excited for the range increase. Looking forward to PG reduction. I actually prefer it this way since I won't have to invest more SP. No sorry, it's on in my test build but when I've been knife fighting with the others we haven't noticed much difference. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 588	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:38:00 - [233] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Brokerib wrote: You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. We literally just rebalanced scouts around apex players (in PC), please be consistent. Fair point, but I think you mistook his meaning. There's more to weapon balance than what you see in a Moody video. For every good NK montage out there, there's an equally good NK fail montage. Knives are consistently inconsistent; Moody himself has said that they're generally too unreliable to count on in competitive play. Nova Knives are wielded by 300HP mercs who risk all on one shot against 1000+HP opponents. Inconsistency is unacceptable. These guys don't get second chances; they deserve a reliable weapon. And this is why I can brazenly claim I average the most Nova Knife kills in PC per match. Because no one else runs them anymore and my average is like 2.3-2.8 kills per match I'll beat you =) "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1436	Posted - 2014.07.25 04:57:00 - [234] - Quote Thanks for clarifying, are you planning on "turning it up" or just playing it out to see how it feels. Are you guys worried about unintended consequences if you aren't seeing anything in the test build? Any word on timeline? My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 224	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:11:00 - [235] - Quote I think you should be allowed to throw your knives... But then you have to pick them up again before you can use them... But then I had fun playing a somewhat broken game called Haze, back in the day.
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2016	Posted - 2014.07.26 14:28:00 - [236] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit. Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200. And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets. um ok? whats the point in buffing NK damage % to vehicles. isn't that still below the the regen stop limit? Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1696	Posted - 2014.07.26 22:21:00 - [237] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Brokerib wrote: You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users. We literally just rebalanced scouts around apex players (in PC), please be consistent. Fair point, but I think you mistook his meaning. There's more to weapon balance than what you see in a Moody video. For every good NK montage out there, there's an equally good NK fail montage. Knives are consistently inconsistent; Moody himself has said that they're generally too unreliable to count on in competitive play. Nova Knives are wielded by 300HP mercs who risk all on one shot against 1000+HP opponents. Inconsistency is unacceptable. These guys don't get second chances; they deserve a reliable weapon. And this is why I can brazenly claim I average the most Nova Knife kills in PC per match. Because no one else runs them anymore and my average is like 2.3-2.8 kills per match HEY!!! YOURE FORGETTING SOMEONE!!! "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1983	Posted - 2014.07.27 00:57:00 - [238] - Quote ladwar wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit. Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200. And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets. um ok? whats the point in buffing NK damage % to vehicles. isn't that still below the the regen stop limit? A charged shot shoud do 500+ damage. Thats enough to get the party started. Knowledge is power
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 368	Posted - 2014.07.28 21:22:00 - [239] - Quote Can I ask why guns aren't getting a similar buff of sorts?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3346	Posted - 2014.07.29 02:31:00 - [240] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Can I ask why guns aren't getting a similar buff of sorts? Can you be more specific? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley



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