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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:29:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:I remembered the other NK change I thought would help a lot. Can we have an auditory que when the knife is fully charged. It is really hard to tell when you are fully charged or not in fast moving conditions.
And please- not like you guys wrecked the charged sniper rifle with it's hair dryer sound. maybe a slight beep or something. If I can hear it, they can hear it 
That will be the last thing they hear.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:29:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:I remembered the other NK change I thought would help a lot. Can we have an auditory que when the knife is fully charged. It is really hard to tell when you are fully charged or not in fast moving conditions.
And please- not like you guys wrecked the charged sniper rifle with it's hair dryer sound. maybe a slight beep or something. If I can hear it, they can hear it
It will assuredly be too late at that point.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:45:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:I remembered the other NK change I thought would help a lot. Can we have an auditory que when the knife is fully charged. It is really hard to tell when you are fully charged or not in fast moving conditions.
And please- not like you guys wrecked the charged sniper rifle with it's hair dryer sound. maybe a slight beep or something. If I can hear it, they can hear it It will assuredly be too late at that point.
Set backpedal and strafe speed to 80% of forward movement speed, and you've got yourself a deal. 
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CCP Logibro
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:52:00 -
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One other thing I can play with changing is making it so there is a smaller delay between releasing the trigger and you actually making each slash with the knives. For reference, the delay is 0.3 and 0.55 seconds for each knife hit from the moment you release the trigger.
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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:08:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:One other thing I can play with changing is making it so there is a smaller delay between releasing the trigger and you actually making each slash with the knives. For reference, the delay is 0.3 and 0.55 seconds for each knife hit from the moment you release the trigger.
So ...
Trigger released at 0.0 sec
Blade A swings at +0.30 sec
Blade B swings at +0.55 sec
Interval between A and B is 0.25 sec
That's a tough call. I'd hate for it to become detached from audio queues and animation. I'd also hate to land double swipes when my aim was off and I should've only landed one.
If it were my experiment, I'd hold the Interval constant and reduce Blade A's delay to +0.15 seconds, such that Blade A swings almost immediately after release but the delay between A and B remains the same ...
Trigger released at 0.0 sec
Blade A swings at +0.15 sec
Blade B swings at +0.40 sec
Interval between A and B is 0.25 sec
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:26:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:mollerz wrote:I remembered the other NK change I thought would help a lot. Can we have an auditory que when the knife is fully charged. It is really hard to tell when you are fully charged or not in fast moving conditions.
And please- not like you guys wrecked the charged sniper rifle with it's hair dryer sound. maybe a slight beep or something. If I can hear it, they can hear it It will assuredly be too late at that point. Reduce backpedal speed, and you've got yourself a deal.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:One other thing I can play with changing is making it so there is a smaller delay between releasing the trigger and you actually making each slash with the knives. For reference, the delay is 0.3 and 0.55 seconds for each knife hit from the moment you release the trigger. So ... Trigger released at 0.0 sec Blade A swings at +0.30 sec Blade B swings at +0.55 sec Interval between A and B is 0.25 sec That's a tough call. I'd hate for it to become detached from audio queues and animation. I'd also hate to land double swipes when my aim was off and I should've only landed one. If it were my experiment, I'd hold the Interval constant and reduce Blade A's delay to +0.15 seconds, such that Blade A swings almost immediately after release but the delay between A and B remains the same ... Trigger released at 0.0 sec Blade A swings at +0.15 sec Blade B swings at +0.40 sec Interval between A and B is 0.25 sec
That sounds great. Bug concerns aside- this is better than adhesion imho.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:32:00 -
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^What they said, delay between releasing knives and actual damage would help a great deal.
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CCP Logibro
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:55:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:One other thing I can play with changing is making it so there is a smaller delay between releasing the trigger and you actually making each slash with the knives. For reference, the delay is 0.3 and 0.55 seconds for each knife hit from the moment you release the trigger. So ... Trigger released at 0.0 sec Blade A swings at +0.30 sec Blade B swings at +0.55 sec Interval between A and B is 0.25 sec That's a tough call. I'd hate for it to become detached from audio queues and animation. I'd also hate to land double swipes when my aim was off and I should've only landed one. If it were my experiment, I'd hold the Interval constant and reduce Blade A's delay to +0.15 seconds, such that Blade A swings almost immediately after release but the delay between A and B remains the same ... Trigger released at 0.0 sec Blade A swings at +0.15 sec Blade B swings at +0.40 sec Interval between A and B is 0.25 sec
Changing the delays should also change the animation and audio to match, but I haven't tried yet. I guess that's one to try out tomorrow.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:04:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:
Changing the delays should also change the animation and audio to match, but I haven't tried yet. I guess that's one to try out tomorrow.
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:55:00 -
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You know what change I think would really make the nova knives better?
reduced lag and improved frame rate.
WDIT: my bad. that would affect too many things at once. We can't have that, now can we?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:00:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:You know what change I think would really make the nova knives better?
reduced lag and improved frame rate.
WDIT: my bad. that would affect too many things at once. We can't have that, now can we?
I thought that was not even worth mentioning... given everything. But it is truth.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:36:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:You know what change I think would really make the nova knives better?
reduced lag and improved frame rate.
WDIT: my bad. that would affect too many things at once. We can't have that, now can we? 
This follows closely to how I think this game should be fixed:
a) Remove support for the controller and focus all efforts on balancing this game using only Mouse and Keyboard.
b) Reduce all graphics to meet the minimum requirement of 60fps @ 1920x1080
or you know we could balance weapons assuming that everyone is using "aim assistance", which ever you prefer...
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CCP Logibro
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:42:00 -
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Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:53:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.
Neat! If you don't mind our asking, what came of your experiments with Adhesion and Range Extension?
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:18:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.
Sounds like the rumored Amarr racial knives. Just a thought, could we perhaps get a nova knives variant that does 100% against vehicles in exchange for reduced efficiency on infantry? So perhaps your 100% infantry - 50% vehicle normal variant and a 50% infantry - 100% vehicle demolition variant?
Amarr are the good guys
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CCP Logibro
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:24:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ CCP Logibro
Neat! If you don't mind our asking, what came of your experiments with Adhesion and Range Extension?
Those come later today as I need a willing victim to help me with that.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:27:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:40:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.
Thank you Logibro. I'm never going to run any other type of AV again.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:48:00 -
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^ Very much like Aero's idea.
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:51:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.
New favorite fit:
M/1-Series
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/5532
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:54:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets. New favorite fit: M/1-Series http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/5532
This looks incredibly fun, and seems like something a Minmatar scout would actually do. Rag-tag demolition.
I'd suggest perhaps dropping one of the hives for RE's for even more demolition nonsense (keeping in mind Minmatar scout is getting a PG buff).
Amarr are the good guys
Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3565
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:30:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.
Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.
And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets. New favorite fit: M/1-Series http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/5532 This looks incredibly fun, and seems like something a Minmatar scout would actually do. Rag-tag demolition. I'd suggest perhaps dropping one of the hives for RE's for even more demolition nonsense (keeping in mind Minmatar scout is getting a PG buff).
I'm not very good at planting REs on HAVs, I always get gunned down or they notice me and run away before I can get down the 3rd one.. And we'll just have to wait and see for all the final changes before I switch anything up.
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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:48:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:
I'm not very good at planting REs on HAVs, I always get gunned down or they notice me and run away before I can get down the 3rd one.. And we'll just have to wait and see for all the final changes before I switch anything up.
The most I ever get on in one pass is two. Good tankers, only one.
Its a 'bit like bullfighting ...
Except you have to chase the bull around the pen :-)
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:13:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:@ CCP Logibro
Neat! If you don't mind our asking, what came of your experiments with Adhesion and Range Extension? Those come later today as I need a willing victim (likely CCP Rattati) to help me with that.
There is quite a few scouts who would be willing victim.
I'd do it just so that I get a chance to chat about knives with you
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:18:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:@ CCP Logibro
Neat! If you don't mind our asking, what came of your experiments with Adhesion and Range Extension? Those come later today as I need a willing victim (likely CCP Rattati) to help me with that.
I am picturing Logibro in the lunch room challenging coworkers to a knife fight...
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:25:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:As far as reducing backwards moving speed, it's not "It's never going to happen". It's more "This is a massive change because it affects every suit, and if we're going to do it, we're going to cover our bases, check everything, and do it right". If I can fix Nova Knives in the interim without having to change it, then that's preferable as I have a number of other things I also want to fit into Charlie (HMG changes, Swarm Changes, maybe some others)
This is an important point.
As a Sentinel my standard procedure when I take too much damage in a fire fight is to back up and strafe left or right behind cover. Reducing my backup speed would make advancing even more dangerous as an HMG SentinelGÇÖs slow turn speed makes turning my back on the enemy and running back to cover take far too long, and having to interrupt my suppression fire to get to cover would make me an easy target.
As far as a Sentinel fighting a Scout, if a Scout canGÇÖt advance as fast as a Sentinel is backing up, then that Scout is warring far too much Plate.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:03:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Not Iggy wrote:Removing backpedal speed is more important than any of these other changes. I appreciate the buff to PG. That will help a great deal.
Improving walk speed while equipped would cause people to use them for a "strafe" improvement and reducing backpedal speed is much greater improvement as it will help the shotgun as well.
Backpedal speed in the MCC before battle and merc quarters is not 100%, so it shouldn't be off the table for in the actual game. Strafe speed is also not 100%, so please nerf being able to walk backwards as fast as they can forward. I agree, nerfing back pedaling speed makes a lot more sense and would have an overall improvement rather than incremental ones for specific components in the game. I know for sure that back pedaling in MCC and waiting room is not 100%, but is it the same during battles? I haven't done any "scientific" tests, but just eye balling it, I can definitely tell the difference in speed on an MCC, but can't tell a bit of difference in game.
It is much slower, I'd say at least 50%. Very obvious.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:24:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:
This is an important point.
As a Sentinel my standard procedure when I take too much damage in a fire fight is to back up and strafe left or right behind cover. Reducing my backup speed would make advancing even more dangerous as an HMG SentinelGÇÖs slow turn speed makes turning my back on the enemy and running back to cover take far too long, and having to interrupt my suppression fire to get to cover would make me an easy target.
As far as a Sentinel fighting a Scout, if a Scout canGÇÖt advance as fast as a Sentinel is backing up, then that Scout is warring far too much Plate.
1) The Sentinel's turn speed is exactly the same as every other frame, with or without plates. Tested and confirmed, and reconfirmed by the Devs themselves. There is no such thing as "slow turn speed".
2) There is not a single Scout in here who runs plates while Knifing.
3) The Sentinel's backpedal speed is no less a problem for NK users than other frame's. If a charged backstab fails to kill you -- which is most common with Sentinels -- you can fully rotate well in advance of a second charged attack. The best a Scout can do in these cases is to swing uncharged, hoping he lands enough blows to finish you off. To keep you within melee distance as you walk backwards, the Scout has no choice but to walk straight at you, directly into your HMG fire.
No doubt Heavies think #3 this funny, much like HAV pilots used to think that Swarms were funny. But like Swarms and HAVs, this imbalance will eventually need to be addressed.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets. Sounds like the rumored Amarr racial knives. Just a thought, could we perhaps get a nova knives variant that does 100% against vehicles in exchange for reduced efficiency on infantry? So perhaps your 100% infantry - 50% vehicle normal variant and a 50% infantry - 100% vehicle demolition variant?
Interesting.. would make me carry two sets of knives  
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