We'll call that the Counter Strike option.



Not sure what frame-rate and hit detection have to do with an assault speed buff being a bad thing, care to explain..?

Was this confirmed? The charlie thread was just too long to follow. I can't express how terrible that would be when frame-rate is so low and we still have hit-detection issues to deal with. Yeah. And my Assault suits being as fast or faster than my Gal-Scout just seems like it'll make Assaults better at some of the scout's roles.

lol. You mean slaying? You mean being on the frontlines? You mean being able to take a hard punch and keep on walking?

Yeah sorry to break it to you but those aren't scout roles.

I don't understand how it will break the fluidity if backward movement speed wasn't 100%.

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Flanking is though. Running away is.

With the strong dislike for lowing backpedaling speed, the assault becomes even better at keeping outside the nova knife range.

I didn't say it would break it, i said it would change it. For everybody.

I am very apprehensive about changing backpedaling speed as this affects everything else in the game as well. It's kinda the nuclear option, and I would prefer not to mess with it at the moment.

Signature is many yes.

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How would the majority of players who aren't knifers feel about such a change? (Maybe not as enthusiastic.)

As for damage against tanks? Well, I'll think about it...

Regardless of what my flanker is running, he'll have lesser odds of getting directly behind me ...

* ... if I stick with friendlies.
* ... if I'm squadded with a recon specialist.
* ... if I periodically check my flank.

If I fail to perform the above, and my flanker manages to sneak into slapping distance of my arse ...

* All I need is enough HP to tank his alpha strike.
* My free-pass bunny hop will consistently break hit detection of any followup NK attack.
* My free-pass bunny hop can also place me beyond the SG's 5m optimal range.
* My free-pass insta-spin tilts the scale in my favor.
* My free-pass backpedal speed keeps me forever beyond my flanker's reach.
* My free-pass fine-rifle hipfire will insta-gib my low-HP flanker with little-to-no effort.

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CCP: Hey pilots! Do you think we should take away your win-button because AV/HAV Balance?
Pilots: *stomping of feet*

CCP: Hey guys! Do you think we should dial back on this free-pass because CQC Balance?
Guys: *stroking of neckbeards*

We'll call that the Counter Strike option.

They can jump around, so can we. They can spin around, so can we. They can shoot with low health, so can we, if needed. They can backpedal, we can run.
Just walking straight at them is neither our only, nor our best option. Regardless of a reduced backpedaling speed.
You call it a free pass, i call it a chance.

We are talking about close combat situations in which we have a faster suit and a weapon that often enough could insta kill them. Wouldn't it be so difficult to hit a dancing target with knifes, thanks to the small field of view, we allready would hold the better cards.
The advertised range increase and maybe the added adhesion should help. Maybe it will be enough, maybe not. We shall see.

no charged knives will sprinting?!?!?!?! :( one job that has been failed :( :( :( :(

Was this confirmed? The charlie thread was just too long to follow. I can't express how terrible that would be when frame-rate is so low and we still have hit-detection issues to deal with. Yeah. And my Assault suits being as fast or faster than my Gal-Scout just seems like it'll make Assaults better at some of the scout's roles.

I understand that charging while sprinting is off the table, but if you don't make that change then I feel you should just leave knives alone. Part of the fun of knives is the amount of skill it takes to sneak in close and get the kill. The changes you have proposed so far are a step towards taking skill out of knife gameplay and will lead to such shittery as people hanging around corners with charged knives and swiping "just close enough" to get the instakill on everybody. That isn't fun, really for either party, and it's a form of gameplay that has no place in Dust/Legion/wtfever. Buff STD knives and either put in charging while sprinting or leave them alone. And yes, I understand the reason we don't have charging while sprinting is likely that it would take recoding to make that change.

Edit: Optimization skill change is good too.

Omg this...so much this

Omg this...so much this

This doesn't make sense.

It is contradictory in a way I don't understand. I get why you would want sprint charge, but I disagree. I get why you would want no changes or next to no changes and keep them highly skilled and very difficult, and whole heartedly agree.

I don't get why given the latter part you would ever be ok with sprint charge, but NOT with a minor tweak like adding 0.5 m to range or a (hopefully) very slight aim adhesion.

CCP Logibro, how exactly do you see "Aim adhesion" improving Nova Knives? It's true that DUST has a notoriously small Field of View (FOV), probably the smallest of any FPS ever, but how will aim adhesion help when people causally walk away faster than you can move forward.

Charge sprinting: is this like, people asking for a lunge mechanic or the ability to hold a charge while sprinting?

And if we can't hold the charge while sprinting, can we at least have the charge maintain 100% forward movement?

I can walk backwards at 100% speed, but I can't walk forward at 100% speed. that's just ******* ********.

So lets start this again, instead of asking for you to reduce backwards speed, why don't you try to justify the value of moving backwards faster than you can move sideways.

Maintaining the status quo for the sake of maintaining the status quo does not make the game better. I was under the impression that these hotfixes were to improve the game through balance and fixing mistakes that never should have been there. Warbarge and Merc Quarters have you move backwards slower than forwards, why is in combat OK for this to be and not the other mode?

Why is it 100% in the first place?

On an unrelated note, am I the only one who prefers using my Assault suit for Knifing?