Edit: I assume you are shotguner not a knifer. We are balance knife please do not drag other weapon benefit here.

* What I said is walking speed increase only "knife in your hand" hopefully, you don't have a problem with knifer dancing in front of your barrel. They can't trow knife at you right?

* Reduce Backpedal will have effect other weapon and they don't want to change it. This is what Logibro said in old thread. FYI: Make the adjustment that affect only knife but not affect other weapon is the point.

* Again AA on knife is bad. We don't see people QQ on knife yet because it require user skill and they admire their defeat. Shot gun already broke enough.

You will never catch a backpeddler using knives in time for the kill. It will take a full 2 seconds even if you are 2m away. Those two seconds allows plenty of time for the DPS to be put down range.

With the upcoming buff to assault movement speeds

We'll call that the Counter Strike option.



Not sure what frame-rate and hit detection have to do with an assault speed buff being a bad thing, care to explain..?

lol. You mean slaying? You mean being on the frontlines? You mean being able to take a hard punch and keep on walking?

Yeah sorry to break it to you but those aren't scout roles.

Alright, so after a little testing I'm going to reduce the knife hit time from 0.3 and 0.55 to 0.2 and 0.45. The animation however is fixed, so it will seem a bit quicker, but the hit markers will indicate accurately when you hit.

Secondly, Nova Knife damage is now being changed to 120/160/200.

And lastly, Nova Knives will do 50% damage to vehicles. No bonuses to hitting weak points (not yet at least). They will still not do damage to installations. I may revisit that last point if we at least reduce WP for destroying neutral turrets.

This looks incredibly fun, and seems like something a Minmatar scout would actually do. Rag-tag demolition.

I'd suggest perhaps dropping one of the hives for RE's for even more demolition nonsense (keeping in mind Minmatar scout is getting a PG buff).

Well. that is certainly intersesting

I'm also curious about another thing: how many of you know that a headshot with Nova Knives does extra damage?

Nice fit. I like how you have the Compact Nanohive for repairing your armour. Why a normal Nano hive with it instead of two Compact Nanohives? Is that for WP farming or does the Compact Nanohive (even two of them) not give enough to keep the Plasma Cannon fed?

2.5 meters?? Those are some pretty long arms (unless the blades are getting bigger) ;)
All kidding aside though these seem like good changes as i hardly seem to be killed by these things, but i would like to know the price of a Proto set of knives (might change my opinion)

Yes, they do. They cost too much to fit, are ineffective at the standard and advanced tier, and have issues with hit detection.

You can't balance a weapon around apex players like Moody or Musturd, knives need to be balanced around normal users if we're ever going to have more than a couple of dozen regular users.

And yes, some of us use them as main weapons. There's even a couple who run Nova Knives as their only weapon.

Top tier knifers could go K/D positive with a soup spoon, because apex slayers are OP. Balancing soup spoons around their play will result in everyone wielding tea spoons, while they still go 60/0.

Fair point, but I think you mistook his meaning.

There's more to weapon balance than what you see in a Moody video. For every good NK montage out there, there's an equally good NK fail montage. Knives are consistently inconsistent; Moody himself has said that they're generally too unreliable to count on in competitive play.

Nova Knives are wielded by 300HP mercs who risk all on one shot against 1000+HP opponents. Inconsistency is unacceptable. These guys don't get second chances; they deserve a reliable weapon.