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Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 271	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:42:00 - [1] - Quote Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1034	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1576	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:56:00 - [3] - Quote How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 436	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:58:00 - [4] - Quote CCP, please delete OP's account. I will bet my kids the community will be better off.
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:01:00 - [5] - Quote The reason I would like a respec is because I have put points into things that at one point had some benefit but now they are useless. I wouldn't mind that whenever skills get updated only those skill points are refunded though. On the other end the fact I have some dead skills does help keep me from being a whole lot better than people just starting. Absolutely I think when the new suits come out those skills should be refunded back to skill points. Living with your decisions is good if skills were never changed.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2820	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:04:00 - [6] - Quote Skilling into a speed hacker, and getting it replaced with a chubby chaser is not "living with your decision". No.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1894	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Please Don't Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1582	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:07:00 - [8] - Quote Not a big fan of respecs but it's really hard to argue against refunding the SP from the dropsuit skill tree. I mean, you can't hold people to a decision they didn't get to make. I mean, if I want to run a scout, I don't want some Gallente strippersuit on me, nor filthy Matari duct-tape-based technology either, but I wasn't given the choice! Those are the only scouts available. There's no FOTM involved here, my Amarr scout didn't get nerfed and now I'm whining about it on the forums. It didn't exist so I didn't get to make a choice to live with later. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10004	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:09:00 - [9] - Quote I might finally be able to get rid of these useless shield regulators and rechargers. Looks forward to the respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
BatKing Deltor Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 848	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:11:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. May I suggest.... SCP-096? Or SCP-173? GMD Recruiting -Volunteer Firefighter-

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2110	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:36:00 - [11] - Quote Eve logic does not apply here. How'd you not know that? Natalie Portman.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:49:00 - [12] - Quote lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10005	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:51:00 - [13] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU Seems like the only ones that need to HTFU are the ones who are afraid of players making informed decisions with their SP Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 121	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:53:00 - [14] - Quote I thought Dust was a thinking persons game. Living with the consequences of your choices is an adult thing to do. Your choices. But if someone comes along, keeps the label but changes the outcome then it is no longer your choice. A law is considered to be unfair if retroactively applied as the guilty did not know he consequences of their choice. The skill tree is also changing. Show me the Amarr scout skill set now. Yet we have them coming in. So we have changes to what the skills do and to the branches in the tree. Can the OP explain how one is to make a valid choice if the system is retroactively changing? Can they also be 100% confident that no change in the skill tree is happening when we are getting two new scout suits plus a bunch of heavies? Tl;dr blaming people for lacking crystal balls and a logic failure in stating the skill tree isn't changin when it clearly is. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 172	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:54:00 - [15] - Quote these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5104	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:54:00 - [16] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? 1) Actually right now everything is planned for 1.8. That could change, but that's the plan. 2) You do know it doesn't go "1.8, 1.9, 2.0", right? ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6438	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:57:00 - [17] - Quote There is a world of a difference between "Respecs On Demand" and "Respecs Due to Overhaul". Eve Online has consistently given SP refunds for skills that have been affected during the past decade. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 250	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:59:00 - [18] - Quote Ill likely still be in my gallente scout suit in the future regardless of the changes...cause I have a valor and i use it extensively...though i might spec into other scouts just cause. 3k isnt exactly expensive to play around with per fitting so . Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1513	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:00:00 - [19] - Quote Normally I would agree, but considering the horribly unfinished state Dust was in at launch, it was literally impossible to make certain decisions. Should someone who wanted to spec into the Caldari heavy just NEVER spend SP on a suit for an unknown amount of time, hoping that someday it would be released? No. That's unreasonable. Once CCP starts releasing new content with all 4 races at the same time, that's when people are reasonable for their decisions, and that time is going to be 1.8. But honestly as far as I'm concerned, we're still in Beta. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 819	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:02:00 - [20] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Can you truly make a fortune with bitcoin? I mean how many ppl have? How long will it last before that scheme falls apart? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2582	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:04:00 - [21] - Quote I'm hardcore anti-respec but even I think there should be an infantry skill tree refund now that there will be racial parity of the suits. Just let this be the last one so introduce any skill changes now. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 175	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:09:00 - [22] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I'm hardcore anti-respec but even I think there should be an infantry skill tree refund now that there will be racial parity of the suits. Just let this be the last one so introduce any skill changes now. ^BOOM knowledge up in you, do you feel that info up in ya? lets move on now VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2823	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:09:00 - [23] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU Fastest logi is like being the smartest kid in the special needs class. No.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:23:00 - [24] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it?
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 224	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:27:00 - [25] - Quote any time respecs? absolutely not SP refunds on certain skills because of large changes? absolutely for instance, if they push two new scout suits or two new heavy suits i sort of EXPECT them to refund sp in scout or heavy skills respectively. mostly so that the new heavies can populate quickly, rather than nobody bothering to try them since they'll get slaughtered by proto amarr heavies and whatever else have you.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:31:00 - [26] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: any time respecs? absolutely not SP refunds on certain skills because of large changes? absolutely for instance, if they push two new scout suits or two new heavy suits i sort of EXPECT them to refund sp in scout or heavy skills respectively. mostly so that the new heavies can populate quickly, rather than nobody bothering to try them since they'll get slaughtered by proto amarr heavies and whatever else have you. So where was my assult rifle respec? They added two new rifles that compeeted with it, guess proto ARs stomped RRs for weeks... oh wait people including myself had new rifles proto and proficancy5 the first day. Yeah
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1049	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:39:00 - [27] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Can you truly make a fortune with bitcoin? I mean how many ppl have? How long will it last before that scheme falls apart? Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k yes, yes you can... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 211	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:43:00 - [28] - Quote Pshhhhh RESPECs are too mainstream Howabout CCP slap a RESET to everyones faces. Making a post on these forums stating you're drunk implies that you're not drunk or are a total weaksauce drinker.
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 176	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:45:00 - [29] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it? some passive skills are being reworked AND removed. the scout class is totally different in 1.8, and more emphasis on assault suits. THATs a totally reworked ground class. I GUESS U BE STUPID ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. sounds like your reaaaaaally scared that people will create a beast fit and **** you. because you have no say in this matter. ccp will make all respec decisions, the only reason you have is because "in eve this, in eve that" what module on DUST is like eve? what maps? any swarms or FG's in eve? are vehicles the same? ammo? NOPE VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2268	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:56:00 - [30] - Quote I'm cool with all of my skill point allocations. But this is the thing, if they are giving all of the dropsuits new bonuses and tweaks....then there should be a dropsuit respec in the same manner that they gave for the vehicles in 1.7. There should be a respec and an ISK an AUR refund...just to be fair to the infantry. weRideNDie2getha since 2010

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:57:00 - [31] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it? some passive skills are being reworked AND removed. the scout class is totally different in 1.8, and more emphasis on assault suits. THATs a totally reworked ground class. I GUESS U BE STUPID Im sorry where do you get your information, could you tell me exactly which skills are being "removed"? Because im pretty sure none are, no confimed changes have been made for scouts, most are still be debated with CCP and the CPM. Oh and the assults are all better off except maybe the amarr.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12098	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:58:00 - [32] - Quote As an Anti-respec proponent. The logic and arguments for the potential content of 1.8 (if its even called that) is nearly outstanding to the point that by not having a respec for that patch would be totally irresponsible. Remember I am still the guy that still slams his foot down at the mere notion of paying for a respec on plenty of reasons. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2268	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:59:00 - [33] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 177	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:05:00 - [34] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. im about to go WATTS on this fool fo real nigawh lol VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2268	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:09:00 - [35] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. im about to go WATTS on this fool fo real nigawh lol lmao weRideNDie2getha since 2010
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN Dark Taboo 82	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:10:00 - [36] - Quote Agreed on respec, the Amarr Assualt will get a huge nerf not to mention the sentinel suits will actually have a good bonus, I went proto basic to run 2 damage mods but now the bonus is worthwhile enough to spend the 2.7 million
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:12:00 - [37] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2269	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:17:00 - [38] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:21:00 - [39] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about. Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 124	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:22:00 - [40] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. Dust SP grind is a long term investment. If the skill then changes drastically you can either allow people to flex with the changing rules of the universe or lock them into a now defunct path. Adapt, overcome thrive. If in a game the rule system changes you can choose to allow players to adapt with the changes. If not you can expect a backlash including a loss of player base. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2269	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:24:00 - [41] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about. Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful. what is the harm? Because people will spec into FOTM weapons and gear? Do you think by not having a respec...that they won't spec into it anyway? weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2700	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:29:00 - [42] - Quote Orignal Poster you have no clue I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina. It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:39:00 - [43] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Orignal Poster you have no clue I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina. It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out?
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1030	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:46:00 - [44] - Quote I have always been against a respec...ever, but let's face it. When all of the racial suits and vehicles are out (the complete game), respecs will be required. Give people their respecs one final time when ALL of the content is made available. It would only be fair tbh. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Lucrezia LeGrand 211	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:19:00 - [45] - Quote welp, I had a busy night. "liked" almost everyone's post on why we SHOULD get a respec. Really, OP, at this point, what harm would a respec do you? I'm sure you have a few SP poured in some skill that you regret. If a respec happens (and at this point I don't see why not) why look a gift horse in the mouth (did I say that right?)? ya- hoi hoi
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1340	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:21:00 - [46] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Orignal Poster you have no clue I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina. It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out? Nerfs =/= Role change. Flaylock nerf Callogi nerf Heavy buff TAC nerf LAV nerf None of those nerfs/buffs changed the way that item is used or its intended role on the battlefield. They were meant for balancing. Commando suit added This was a completely new role that no one was expecting, therefore nobody was saving up SP for it, or specced into something else because it wasn't you yet. That is what makes this different from all the soon to be Caldari/Amarr Scouts and Heavies. A list of suits that are getting their role changed: Assault: Amarr. Laser Heat Specialist > Self Prepping Assault The others are getting changed as well, but the Amarr Assault change is the most appalling of them. That suit's bonus is currently the only skill that has that effect, and they are getting rid of that. Logistics: Amarr. Fronlines Medic > Uplink Mule Caldari. Combat Logi > Ammo Mule Gallente. Equipment Specialist > Walking Radar Dish Minmatar. Speed Hacker > Chubby Chaser Scout: Possibly All Sentinel: Possibly All Commando: Possibly All Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:38:00 - [47] - Quote Fizzer94 1- none of the logis roles are being change beside your perception of what those roles where. The amarr logi still has a side arm and who dosent like better uplinks. Even the mimatar logi can still fit a code breaker and hack hella fast. 2- as you said people had no time to save for the camando, yet now people have plenty of time to save and a sp event to help, so by your logic no respec is needed because we have time to save. 3- amarr assult bonus change is something i dont agree with so i would rather fight to keep it then give out a respec. 4-Nerfs usualy have a huge impact on how an item or suit is used, and new suit bonuses can likewise be called balancibg so nerfs do = skill change.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1515	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:48:00 - [48] - Quote There is a big difference between altering the stats of a weapon or dropsuit, and altering the core fundamentals of how they are designed to operate. In addition, there were gaping holes in the content which are hopefully being filled in 1.8. Tell me, should someone who wanted to be a Caldari heavy from the start simply have spend not SP on dropsuits for the last year? Or do you fully expect them to waste SP on a suit type they have no interest in using? I'd really like your answer to this question. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1340	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:53:00 - [49] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Fizzer94 1- none of the logis roles are being change beside your perception of what those roles where. The amarr logi still has a side are and who dosent like better uplinks. Even the mimatar logi can still fit a code breaker and hack hella fast. 2- as you said people had no time to save for the camando, yet now people have plenty of time to save and a sp event to help, so by your logi no resoec is needed because we have time to save. 3- amarr assult bonus change is something i dont agree with so i would rather fight to keep it then give out a respec. 4-Nerfs usualy have a huge impact on how an item or suit is used, and new suit bonuses can likewise be called balancibg so nerfs do = skill change. 1- as an Amarr Logi, I don't like better uplinks... I hate using uplinks at all for that matter, too boring. I did NOT spec into this suit to use uplinks, I specced I to it because: A) Logi Bonus of 5hp/s (I can live without this, as I think the new one is more fitting) B) Enough Equipment slots for Reppers, Scanners/Hives, and Injectors C) Racial Bonus that allowed me to get the most out of Reppers, enabling me to get back to logiing faster. D) Sidearm Slot, because Scrambler Pistols 2- Expecting people to save SP for an unknown amount of time is unreasonable, they deserve a respec. 3- 4- yes, nerfs have an impact on the effectiveness of items, but usually not the manner in which they are used. All of those items are still used in the same way, but not with the same effectiveness as before. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1424	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:00:00 - [50] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU And i specced the Amarr suit to get the SCR heat reduction and now its replaced with a bonus to armor repper modules and i NEVER ever use them, my suit bonus just became completely useless as any other suit would be better then using a suit without the module it enhances. Your logic makes no sense. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:18:00 - [51] - Quote Quote: 4- yes, nerfs have an impact on the effectiveness of items, but usually not the manner in which they are used. All of those items are still used in the same way, but not with the same effectiveness as before. Thats the point! All the suits role changes dont change anything, they can all be used the same way as before but not the same effectiveness. So the amarr logi gets an uplink bonus and you hate uplinks, well dont use them! The suit will function the same but trading 5hps for drasticaly easyer to fit equipment. It all just comes down to if you precive this as a buff or a nerf.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1051	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:29:00 - [52] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision"
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 276	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:39:00 - [53] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision" Oh look another brainwashed Ivyleage puppet, that wants a reset button every time theres change.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 310	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:47:00 - [54] - Quote Respecs are coming for sure. Even CCP isn't dumb enough to not give them out when all this drops. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:52:00 - [55] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: There is a world of a difference between "Respecs On Demand" and "Respecs Due to Overhaul". Eve Online has consistently given SP refunds for skills that have been affected during the past decade. For skills that have been removed... Don't come here trying to muddy the waters with your pro-respec agenda.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1051	Posted - 2014.01.15 10:12:00 - [56] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision" Oh look another brainwashed Ivyleage puppet, that wants a reset button every time theres change. "puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 10:24:00 - [57] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: "puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine As someone who has enough ISK to buy _YOU_, stop being a puppet.
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 156	Posted - 2014.01.15 10:49:00 - [58] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Jack McReady wrote: "puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine As someone who has enough ISK to buy _YOU_, stop being a puppet. bless. If you see me in the redline, driving an LAV in circles, fear not! Its my two year old son enjoying New Eden.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 459	Posted - 2014.01.15 10:54:00 - [59] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it? Do you not think that changing every single bonus the current skills give is so much different? In fact the complete Dropsuit skilltree gets a rework. There is not a single bonus that stays the same. This change will hurt low SP players the most someone with 30 mill will most probably have already all relevant skills so he won't be affected as much but even this is not fore sure.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 10:57:00 - [60] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Do you not think that changing every single bonus the current skills give is so much different? In fact the complete Dropsuit skilltree gets a rework. There is not a single bonus that stays the same. This change will hurt low SP players the most someone with 30 mill will most probably have already all relevant skills so he won't be affected as much but even this is not fore sure. So why wasn't any SP refunded when the nano-nerf hit?

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1052	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:07:00 - [61] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Jack McReady wrote: "puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine As someone who has enough ISK to buy _YOU_, stop being a puppet. cool story bro
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:14:00 - [62] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: cool story bro My e-peen is bigger than your e-peen.
The Terminator T-1000 The Praetorian Legionary 64	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:18:00 - [63] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore!
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:44:00 - [64] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2218	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:47:00 - [65] - Quote EVE = Living with your decisions because they dont change much for years DUST = Living with your decisions for about 1 month max until they completely change your role/playstyle and nerf it into the ground for the next 6months Yea respec will happen, too much is changing and your desicions mean jack **** Intelligence is OP
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 956	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:48:00 - [66] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Skilling into a speed hacker, and getting it replaced with a chubby chaser is not "living with your decision". SO, in night 6's terminology, that would be.... You buy a ferrari, overnight it turns into a mini-van. Yeah... that's not "living with your decisions". Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3483	Posted - 2014.01.15 11:49:00 - [67] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU LMAO aren't you the one who came here b!tching about people wanting a respec because their being held to a decision that they didn't make, I got a special message for you buddy. Creator of The AV Registry The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock Have I won the Forums Yet?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 517	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:05:00 - [68] - Quote 1.7 gave a vehicle respec (refund, if you prefer), so why not Infantry? You know, the majority of players?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1055	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:14:00 - [69] - Quote I would not try to argue with the OP. he is a scrub in both EVE and Dust. you can tell that by the fact that the compares Dust to EVE. EVE a player driven game vs a F2P unfinished lobby shooter. if he would play EVE he would also know that in EVE all SP is passive and you dont have to play actively to get into something new in a reasonable timefrime. you can actually stop playing for 1 or 2 months, do something else in the meantime and only log in from time to time to set up skill training and then come back with access to a new toy that is almost maxed out. or he would know that you can buy characters in the market bazar.
The Terminator T-1000 The Praetorian Legionary 65	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:16:00 - [70] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. If I cant spend my SP why even play?

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1902	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:28:00 - [71] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? how to be an out of touch douchebag. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1902	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:41:00 - [72] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about. Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful. "you're too" Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 428	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:50:00 - [73] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? I would say the same of you! Adapt or Die, repecs are inc. Nuff Said
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:50:00 - [74] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: "you're too" "you are to"
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1591	Posted - 2014.01.15 12:51:00 - [75] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful. What a terrible defense of your argument. "He doesn't agree but will tell you why I'm right" I have yet to see any reasonable argument as to why not getting to choose the suit you wanted because it didn't exist is the players fault. (The 2 weapons that came out are not the same thing, that's not nearly the SP sink dropsuits are) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
Buwaro Draemon FACTION WARFARE ARMY 102	Posted - 2014.01.15 13:00:00 - [76] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? Well. You seem to forget that our borther's in heavy armor have been wishing to get their hands in these new heavy suits for a very long time now. It's not fair making them wait even longer just because they want that new heavy suit they have been waiting for around a year now.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 533	Posted - 2014.01.15 13:02:00 - [77] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? Scouts and heavies deserve a respec when all suits come out We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 13:21:00 - [78] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I have yet to see any reasonable argument as to why not getting to choose the suit you wanted because it didn't exist is the players fault. (The 2 weapons that came out are not the same thing, that's not nearly the SP sink dropsuits are) But how could they choose something that didn't exist? That would be like me buying a Tesla Model S and then demanding it be replaced with a Model X when it gets released.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10019	Posted - 2014.01.15 13:49:00 - [79] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. ::facepalm:: Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 13:52:00 - [80] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. ::facepalm:: It's how the respec arguments sound like, so I figured going down to their level of thinking would work...

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 273	Posted - 2014.01.15 14:00:00 - [81] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? It's not about FoTM or other. The core of the game have changed. Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit. That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision. Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on. Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ? I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not. We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement. Second point : We're talking about racial line-up. Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ??? They didn't had the choice. Same for scouts same for commandos. And same for assault. Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules. That's not their fault neither. How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ? Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements. When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID.
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1231	Posted - 2014.01.15 14:06:00 - [82] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Hence if they turn my scout into a baby logi, an yank my side arm then give me back my suit an weapon sp so I can build it right, I have 4 side arms at pro 4/5 why would I need that sp wasted, do logis skill 4 sidearms? I think not, drastic changes change your whole build an game style, this needs compensation SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1057	Posted - 2014.01.15 14:08:00 - [83] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. ::facepalm:: It's how my "arguments" sound like, so I figured going down even lower level of thinking would work... fixed, you are just too dense to accept facts even presented on a silver plate just like the rest of the tunnelvision scrubs. chances are you are also a tank driver, which would explain alot
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 139	Posted - 2014.01.15 14:20:00 - [84] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? You mean like the skill tree "stayed the same" for vehicles with the 1.7 update? Honestly I've seen nothing but idiot arguments from all you "no respec"-proponents...
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 14:21:00 - [85] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: fixed, you are just too dense to accept facts even presented on a silver plate just like the rest of the tunnelvision scrubs. chances are you are also a tank driver, which would explain alot I was a tank driver and I heavily advocated no respecs, which as you said would explain a lot.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 282	Posted - 2014.01.15 15:48:00 - [86] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: It's not about FoTM or other. The core of the game have changed. Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit. That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision. Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on. Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ? I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not. We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement. Second point : We're talking about racial line-up. Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ??? They didn't had the choice. Same for scouts same for commandos. And same for assault. Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules. That's not their fault neither. How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ? Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements. When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID. Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game. You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting? I agree 100% that a respec would be amazing, but I still stand strongly by that respecs are slipery slopes, and I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about. I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners.
Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 14	Posted - 2014.01.15 17:05:00 - [87] - Quote I am for a respec because I always wanted a Minmatar racial rifle (Combat Rifle), but since the only racial rifle was the Assault Rifle for Gallente I skilled into that as much as I could until, lo and behold, months later they're releasing the rifles that should've been up for grabs since the 'beginning'. I have millions of SP invested in the Assault Rifle because there simply wasn't a Minmatar racial rifle and I didn't really like using the Scrambler Rifle since it's the weapon of my race's enemy. What? Are you gonna tell me I should've just held onto all of my SP for all those months simply because the CR wasn't developed yet? You can whine about getting respecs all you want. I don't give a ** because the fact of the matter is that I don't really care if we get one or not, even though I wouldn't complain if we did. But whining about being AGAINST a respec just because you feel 'losers' don't deserve it? Go ** yourself. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1034	Posted - 2014.01.15 17:22:00 - [88] - Quote In all honesty, the more attention this thread gets, the more the Devs are inclined to read it. The more they read it, the more obvious (by reply standards) that the community is not only intrigued by a possible respec, but approves of it for obvious reasons. So, in essence, OP is helping campaign for respecs, albeit untentionally. This thread is more counterproductive to his efforts anyway, so keep it bumped up. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 829	Posted - 2014.01.15 17:53:00 - [89] - Quote respec's and that word should be thrown out of the DUST vocab. Reimbursal's are the max you can expect from CCP ever again. Respec's are gone and your gonna have to get over it. This is for the better and you have been warned twice by CCP.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 564	Posted - 2014.01.15 17:58:00 - [90] - Quote Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that. If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing? In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one.

knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1079	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:01:00 - [91] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: In all honesty, the more attention this thread gets, the more the Devs are inclined to read it. The more they read it, the more obvious (by reply standards) that the community is not only intrigued by a possible respec, but approves of it for obvious reasons. So, in essence, OP is helping campaign for respecs, albeit untentionally. This thread is more counterproductive to his efforts anyway, so keep it bumped up. I logged in today with 40 some odd notifications, all CCP needs is to read the second post... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1593	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:02:00 - [92] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game. You will if you are interested in a particular race, as a much larger group of us than you apparently think are. Otherwise no, but that's hardly the point. Quote: You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting? I'm not so much in favor of this particular reason for a dropsuit tree respec myself but it's a moot point because I think one is warranted anyway. But to answer your question, no, I at least wouldn't ask for a respec at that time because I was able to make an informed decision with racial parity available to me and thus I should be expected to live with it. Quote: I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about. They should, but idgaf if they test out the suits or not. If they have been dying for a minmatar heavy for 2 years, let them have it. If they want to spec into some perceived FOTM based on some BS theorycrafting, that's their business and buyer beware. No respecs for future nerfs or shortsightedness. Quote: I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners. You completely lost me here. Why the hell would you support a respec 3 months after all the racial suits come out, but not right when they do? That makes no sense at all. In fact, that's an even worse time because by then some FOTM(s) will emerge and there's an even bigger potential for the abuse of a respec. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 185	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:11:00 - [93] - Quote Beck Weather wrote: . While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Proof? When was this confirmed? Or just you spewing more bullshit with 1.8? Proofs or stfu
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10031	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:11:00 - [94] - Quote SP also isn't sacred when you have SP boosters in the game. It's a monetary asset for many, so it's just a bad business decision to change everything up without letting people use what they payed for how they want to in light of the new changes. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 830	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:15:00 - [95] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that. If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing? In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one. Yes give me my dreamed about perfect skill allocation for this next patch and all will be alright everything will be fixed. Except when the next patch changes or when a whole new expansion comes out in 2.0 and that respec is even more useless because more shinny stuff will come out... This is endless and has NEVER fixed an activity problem in any game but momentarily. you will get reimbursed for your dropsuit skills so you can reallocate and then enjoy a tripple SP event... What more could you really want seriously without it being all about memememememe, my skills and pretending like you never got any use out of them, and now wanting to trade them in for a brand new pair of shoes There are core mechanic issues persistent for 2 years and your trying to blame inactivity on not having the perfect skills or having to work to get some new ones. its sad.
Onesimus Tarsus 838	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:18:00 - [96] - Quote They should give respecs because... it just doesn't matter and no one should care how anyone else spends their hard-earned(?) SP. If they do, they need a break. Maybe go play a videogame or something. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
DootDoot Da Short Buss Legacy Rising 170	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:28:00 - [97] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should give respecs because... it just doesn't matter and no one should care how anyone else spends their hard-earned(?) SP. If they do, they need a break. Maybe go play a videogame or something. Like what has been said there will be a tripple skill point event after the 1.8 patch, Even if i don't want to be a heavy and want to dedicate myself to the logi role after that patch. i will still be able to make a militia suit and use my heavy gun skills. i got use out of that gun and skills, to gain more skills and isk. why should i just get those skill points back? i earned them, then i chose to spend them. when they changed tanks they changed the actuall skills and deleted some. so they would have to go back into everyones accounts and kinda guess what skills would go where matching up with what they had before, it would be impossible, that is why we got vehicle SP back. Dropsuit SP reimbursal to me is lucky considering it's CCP and the public statement they have given twice about the last respec.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:28:00 - [98] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that. If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing? In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one. The argument that respecs will help save the dwindiling comunity are baseless and silly. All new players are going to join and not know the diferance, and all old player have stuck with the game this long and are unlikely to leave. Anyone who says they are going to leave Dust if they dont get a respec are just fear mongering to get CCP to do what they want. And to anyone who thinks these posts help CCP see that we need respecs are as crazy as a fruit bat. do you really think CCP havent sean the 1000s of topics begging for respecs over the past 6 months? this one topic is going to break their preverbial camals back? really?
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 119	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:34:00 - [99] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] For as many people have liked this, it's a bit disconcerting that they don't seem to get it. I support a full, final respec but for a different reason. knight of 6 says "my junk got nerfed, I want a respec because it wasn't my decision" That's the nature of an MMO. Stuff gets changed. That's NO BASIS for a a respec. The problem, and the reason why we need a respec, is that CCP released DUST without all of it's basic content. The problem is if I want to skill into an Amarr HAV or Caldari Sentinel (the Ferrari from knight's example), well, those things just aren't in the game. What should I do in the mean time? Not play? Save my SP and use militia junk? Use my SP for something I don't want and then grind the SP I need whenever the stuff I want is finally put into the game? The fault lies with CCP for not having this basic content in the game to begin with. The answer is to skill into something, have an enjoyable time, and then reasonably expect that CCP will offer a full and final respec when they add all racial variants of basic weaponry, dropsuits, and vehicles. Once CCP has done its part and released a full game, you can skill into whatever you want and accept the consequences of any balance changes. Your stuff getting nerfed is not a valid reason for a respec.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:36:00 - [100] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: In all honesty, the more attention this thread gets, the more the Devs are inclined to read it. The more they read it, the more obvious (by reply standards) that the community is not only intrigued by a possible respec, but approves of it for obvious reasons. So, in essence, OP is helping campaign for respecs, albeit untentionally. This thread is more counterproductive to his efforts anyway, so keep it bumped up. I logged in today with 40 some odd notifications, all CCP needs is to read the second post... I have seen plenty of threads complaining about how suicide ganks are ruining EVE, does that make those carebears right?

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:55:00 - [101] - Quote Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 274	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:02:00 - [102] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: It's not about FoTM or other. The core of the game have changed. Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit. That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision. Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on. Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ? I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not. We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement. Second point : We're talking about racial line-up. Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ??? They didn't had the choice. Same for scouts same for commandos. And same for assault. Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules. That's not their fault neither. How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ? Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements. When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID. Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game. You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting? I agree 100% that a respec would be amazing, but I still stand strongly by that respecs are slipery slopes, and I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about. I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners. FIRST. You must ask yourself if you want to play a faction in particular (Me per example will ALWAYS play Amarr don't care if their suits sucks or not.). THEN you start compairing all the suits type and their role in the battlefield. You choose one type of roleplay. (At this point you didn't use ANY SP.) => The most important in fact you choose one dropsuit type : Light / Heavy / Medium => Keep it in mind don't use your SP. You watch the bonus it have and if it's related to weapons or modules (or equipements). You look if you like playing with these weapons or repair etcetc..... If yes or no FIRST you use your sp to CORE skills which is useful no matter which suit you use : Passive skills : Stamina and others biotic passive skills. Armor Level 3 at least. (5 is better depending on how much Sp you have) Shield level 3 at least. (same) PG/CPU upgrade like Inginiery and electronics (Level 3 at least) Exept for commandos : Grenade level 3. THEN you start using your SP in drpsuits : STD first. You try it. You like it : Use all your SP exept 2 million SP. Keep them for later. You don't like it : Restart from begining or reconsider playing an another faction. The "critical choice" are not maded always but they are maded during respecs.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 119	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:06:00 - [103] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people. The "hook" of this game should be to have an EVE-like experience in an FPS. Releasing new stuff is separate from releasing stuff that should have been here to begin with. When the game was released, the only dropsuits we had were Amarr Heavy, Caldari and Minmatar Medium, and Gallente Light. We've come a good ways, and still have a way to go, for basic dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons. The best way to keep people playing is to have an engaging game play experience. I'm burned out currently because I don't want to grind to stash away SP for what I want that might be coming in 1.8 or not. You're totally wrong on this.
Onesimus Tarsus 838	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:06:00 - [104] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people. Nope. You get SP for playing, you either spend it or you don't. If you always have more SP, you'll always have somewhere to put it, and you eventually get to try/be everything. Whether you do it the first week or the 500th, if you don't care about having all the skills this game offers maxed out, you won't stick around. Especially if the game sucks and is never functionally complete. This game has none of the MMO aspects, at all. The answer is simple: incentivize keeping your SP put. If you buy a skill and never divest it of SP, you start accruing interest on the "frozen" SP. Even if it was a small interest rate, it would make staying in a particular form at least marginally enticing, even if CCP comes along and ruins your original promised fits beyond all recognition, as they are wont to do. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 274	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:13:00 - [105] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people. .......No respecs means no more players exept some noobs which their 2 millions sp don't worth a respec OR huge veterans than don't have any reason to play and already have everything they wanted. It will cause FRUSTRATION YES. But it will force NOBODY to use SP booster or Gé¼ item. At the contrary it will make them go away frustrated with the feeling they will NEVER go back to the game because the game try to f**k them. If CCP wants more money they should try to grab more players. THEY will try to get more sp and faster not us which is here since 1-2 years. For that we NEED PvE. PvE is cool for EVERYONE. Old players and new players. Is there a better feeling than 16 new and old players trynig to kill a giant Raid boss with 500K hp while he's shooting players with gatling / Mass drivers / turrets etcetc and his 4-5 sidekicks which repair him shoot at us etcetc.. ? While 2 Forgeguns stick to his arms are shooting our tanks ? Seriously. What if we have to fight a Metal Gear Rex huh ? Shooting with gatlings at infantry. Huge laser to light vehicules. Swarm missiles to vehicules And stomping everyone trying to get closer. While 10 drones are attacking us ? http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60205/1192547-metal_gear_rex.jpg CCp bring PvE please it's even more important than PVP right now.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 366	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:14:00 - [106] - Quote Fortunately I win either way. I'll have close to 9 mill unallocated come 1.8 and I intend to keep what I've specced into already (proto gal/min, dropsuit core upgrades maxed, RR, MD, SL) . Either way I'll be getting my gal scout, cloaking and whatever other new shiniey things we get. I've always been against respecs, but I think DS command could be refunded in light of such radical changes to the whole role system. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:19:00 - [107] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: The "hook" of this game should be to have an EVE-like experience in an FPS. Thats what sets it apart from other FPS, its not the hook. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Releasing new stuff is separate from releasing stuff that should have been here to begin with. When the game was released, the only dropsuits we had were Amarr Heavy, Caldari and Minmatar Medium, and Gallente Light. We've come a good ways, and still have a way to go, for basic dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons. They released new guns in 1.7 but didn't give a full respec to all the AR users, i havent touched one since 1.7 yet i have proficiancy 5 for it. Saying things should have been released but wernt is hardly an argument since you KNEW that they would be released eventualy. Im not saying you should have saved since the begining, but what is so bad about skilling into the new suits at the same rate as everyone else, its not like having it proto in a single day will make up for all your time without it. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: The best way to keep people playing is to have an engaging game play experience. And how exactly dose that have anything to do with respecs? Are you saying you can't have a fun comunity and play experiance if not given a respec? Will respecs stop proto stomping? tank stomping? red line snipers? no it wont. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I'm burned out currently because I don't want to grind to stash away SP for what I want that might be coming in 1.8 or not. Then this may not be the game for you if ginding SP has you burnt out, because thats what a skill system games revolves around. Maybe set up your pasive SP and come back in a few months. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: You're totally wrong on this. Trust me im not wrong. CCP is a buisnes, do you think they dont like respecs because they belive DUST should be harsh like EVE? heck no, they dont liek them because as stated frustration drives people to spend money. They will shoot themselves in the foot finacialy big time if they give a respec, mark my words.
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 550	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:26:00 - [108] - Quote the first response to this post used Ferrari's as an example. I don't want a Ferrari I want a Porsche. Wait you mean I can't buy a Porsche yet they aren't available I have to buy a Ferrari if I want to keep up on the road or just suffer with my moped while cars keep flying around me in their Ferrari's? I thought Porsche was supposed to be available at the start of the road finishing construction. oh wait the road construction isn't over yet... Then again when is road construction ever over. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:49:00 - [109] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 891	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:52:00 - [110] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:57:00 - [111] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? In hypothetical terms or game terms? annnnyway the "contract" was pressing X when you skilled into a particular suit, knowing new suits would be on the way and or old ones would be changed. You may have only had the Amarr heavy and really wanted the Gal heavy, but thats why they have malita and starter suits, so you can use them with minimal SP investment, people who went proto obviously must have liked the suit.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10033	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:01:00 - [112] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? In hypothetical terms or game terms? annnnyway the "contract" was pressing X when you skilled into a particular suit, knowing new suits would be on the way and or old ones would be changed. You may have only had the Amarr heavy and really wanted the Gal heavy, but thats why they have malita and starter suits, so you can use them with minimal SP investment, people who went proto obviously must have liked the suit. What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5722	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:03:00 - [113] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? EULA, its not so much we signed it but instead gave permission for CCP to do their jobs. However understandably, as developers, and gamers themselves they likely understand the frustrations we face. Not that they are going to do something about it, CCP have been lauded for their innovation, and harshly critiqued for what reviewers and gamers call supreme arrogance. I'd like to think they would give me a chance to re allocated the years worth of SP I have earnt, and get full value from the 100+ NZ dollars I spent, but I understand why people are so dead set against this happening. I would have like to see CCP release a full game, and then given us the Uprising respect rather than the respec and a half finished game. Anything more than baseline standard racial parity is expansion content and can be considered such and not subject to respec. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:16:00 - [114] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said. I wasent informed that I needed credability, nore that your opinion would have any affect on it. I sit here with an un biased opinion on why respecs are bad mkay? All im getting in responce is peoples tears over how their suit they skilled into isent what they signed up for, and to hell with the damage it dose to the game. As I have said before, if respecs where not a terible buisness model and bad for the game, CCP would give them out after every patch.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1090	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:33:00 - [115] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:36:00 - [116] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2940	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:38:00 - [117] - Quote It's not a respec, it's a refund. Respec implies that all sp is being returned. Refund, means they are only giving back a portion of your SP. CCP will most likely do a refund (this is my personal speculation). This refund will (hopefully) consist of a refund on all dropsuit skills (due to new heavies and scouts) and modules (really hoping so because they will have effectively screwed over 90% of my fittings if they don't) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10034	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:39:00 - [118] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you. Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason Classy Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1090	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:47:00 - [119] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you. and just incase you didn't get it, the people on the forums dont make up the majority of the player base, and even if they did dosent mean they know whats best for a game or for the developers, they just know whats best for themselves. ME? FORUM TROLL? I am insulted, I would never stoop to such lows. trolling other community members is wrong and against the forum rules. I figured that if you couldn't be reasoned with in 6 pages of well detailed and logical counter argument, then it was only logical to try illogical poorly detailed counter argument. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:47:00 - [120] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason Classy Logi is in the eye of the beholder bub, tho i do wonder if you need your eyes checked. And i have yet to be presented with a reason why respecs are necisary, other than people crying they will quit if not given what they want.

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4466	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:49:00 - [121] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] That analogy is ******* god-tier. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1343	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:30:00 - [122] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you. and just incase you didn't get it, the people on the forums dont make up the majority of the player base, and even if they did dosent mean they know whats best for a game or for the developers, they just know whats best for themselves. You ARE a person on the forums, therefore your own statement applies to yourself as well. What makes you any different than everyone else in regards to knowing what is best for the game? What evidence is there to assure us that you yourself at not just trying to do what is best for yourself by denying people respects/refunds so you can obtain an edge over other players? Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1594	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:06:00 - [123] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason Classy Logic is in the eye of the beholder bub, tho i do wonder if you need your eyes checked. And i have yet to be presented with a reason why respecs are necisary, other than people crying they will quit if not given what they want. PS: i love when people say someone cant be "reasoned with" if that person cant be forced into beliving their opinion. I never said you guys cant be reasoned with, even tho I continualy stick by my guns and you by yours. I think the one staying truly classy here is me. I believe I presented a reason for a dropsuit skill refund (I'll use the more correct term). Twice. Your statement about how "People who skilled into proto" on the Amarr heavy "must have liked it" otherwise they could have just used the militia one demonstrates a lack of ability to understand it. They liked a heavy suit. The only one. They like playing a heavy suit with heavy weapons. I'll repeat it, not the Amarr heavy, the only heavy, that was the suit they liked. If they stuck with militia, well, it's still the Amarr heavy, and they would still have been waiting, gettting crushed every game in the gimped heavy suit for 1-2 years, no bonuses, no ability to spend SP on anything else because you can't fit better stuff on a militia suit. So, they would have been playing this "MMO" with no ability to actually level up, for 2 years? No progression, no unlocking better items, just playing the basic mode over and over again. Sounds fun, please sign me up. Do you actually believe that is a viable use of someones time? And, that it is the most appropriate way to approach a lack of basic content being included in a game that was billed as the "FPS in the EvE universe" with it's 4 competing factions that you could fight for on the ground and influence? (As opposed to say, well, I'll just use this placeholder for now until they release the racial suits and let me exchange it?) If you really think that it is more reasonable for someone to use just the starter gear (in a game built around progression to better gear) and wait for over a year for what is baseline content - again, for the reading comprehension impaired, New Eden and the link between the 2 games is based on the premise of 4 warring factions - to be released, then no, you cannot be reasoned with. That's an idiotic basis for your argument. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
Onesimus Tarsus 843	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:10:00 - [124] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason Classy Logic is in the eye of the beholder bub, tho i do wonder if you need your eyes checked. And i have yet to be presented with a reason why respecs are necisary, other than people crying they will quit if not given what they want. PS: i love when people say someone cant be "reasoned with" if that person cant be forced into beliving their opinion. I never said you guys cant be reasoned with, even tho I continualy stick by my guns and you by yours. I think the one staying truly classy here is me. I believe I presented a reason for a dropsuit skill refund (I'll use the more correct term). Twice. Your statement about how "People who skilled into proto" on the Amarr heavy "must have liked it" otherwise they could have just used the militia one demonstrates a lack of ability to understand it. They liked a heavy suit. The only one. They like playing a heavy suit with heavy weapons. I'll repeat it, not the Amarr heavy, the only heavy, that was the suit they liked. If they stuck with militia, well, it's still the Amarr heavy, and they would still have been waiting, gettting crushed every game in the gimped heavy suit for 1-2 years, no bonuses, no ability to spend SP on anything else because you can't fit better stuff on a militia suit. So, they would have been playing this "MMO" with no ability to actually level up, for 2 years? No progression, no unlocking better items, just playing the basic mode over and over again. Sounds fun, please sign me up. Do you actually believe that is a viable use of someones time? And, that it is the most appropriate way to approach a lack of basic content being included in a game that was billed as the "FPS in the EvE universe" with it's 4 competing factions that you could fight for on the ground and influence? (As opposed to say, well, I'll just use this placeholder for now until they release the racial suits and let me exchange it?) If you really think that it is more reasonable for someone to use just the starter gear (in a game built around progression to better gear) and wait for over a year for what is baseline content - again, for the reading comprehension impaired, New Eden and the link between the 2 games is based on the premise of 4 warring factions - to be released, then no, you cannot be reasoned with. That's an idiotic basis for your argument. Wow, leave some for the buzzards! I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 288	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:16:00 - [125] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: stuff you say 2 years allot, tho we got a full respec and refund less than one year ago. stop trying to make it sound far worse than it is. And you miss understand, They liked the heavy, as in you make it sound like their entire SP investment is about to go up in smoke. but in reality its not, the SP will still be there, they will still be able to use it, and even if its no longer their favorit suit the option to use it in battle is still there. But you know im actualy open minded unlike some of you, i have been convinced that refunding the Amarr heavy suit SP would cause very small damage to the game. So I really wouldn't mind if heavys only got a respec.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1596	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:19:00 - [126] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: stuff you say 2 years allot, tho we got a full respec and refund less than one year ago. stop trying to make it sound far worse than it is. And you miss understand, They liked the heavy, as in you make it sound like their entire SP investment is about to go up in smoke. but in reality its not, the SP will still be there, they will still be able to use it, and even if its no longer their favorit suit the option to use it in battle is still there. But you know im actualy open minded unlike some of you, i have been convinced that refunding the Amarr heavy suit SP would cause very small damage to the game. So I really wouldn't mind if heavys only got a respec. Good to see you are open to reason. Don't forget scouts, they only had 2 variants. (p.s. It doesn't matter how many respecs there were in the past 2 years, there's still only 1 heavy suit) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
BLACK MASK D The Exemplars Top Men. 27	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:19:00 - [127] - Quote if they change the skills that go alone with something their going to give respecs for it like they did with tanking and seeing how their going to change the dropsuits skills and add new suits in it only makes sense to give everyone a respec cause if the suit u use the min logi suit for hacking and that gets removed and added to one of the new suits wouldn't u want that suit instead. its less big shot how wants to show off like when A.A and T.T.K got buffed and more common sense. no body cares if u want to act big and rant about how u wanna live with what youve done when dusts still dosent have everything yet not even with the new suits and new guns so maybe up next is a drop ship respec when the new ones come out and same with the tanks. not trying to sound like an ass or anything but the way i see it at least it would **** off more people then please if they didn't give out a respec.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 142	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:30:00 - [128] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Fortunately I win either way. Il have close to 9 mill unallocated come 1.8 and I intend to keep what I've specced into already (proto gal/min, dropsuit core upgrades maxed, RR, MD, SL) . Either way I'll be getting my gal scout, cloaking and whatever other new shiniey things we get. I've always been against respecs, but I think DS command could be refunded in light of such radical changes to the whole role system. I call you a hypocrite. A person who is genuinely against respecs doesn't hoard 9 million unallocated skillpoints. You keep them around if you happen to get ****** over by the developers or if something new and shiny is released so you immediately can use it as soon as it comes out. Your motives are then exactly the same as those people who wants a respec. You're not fooling anyone...
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2703	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:23:00 - [129] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Orignal Poster you have no clue I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina. It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out? None of those changes actually involved the skill bonuses I am still correct and apparently you still don't have a clue Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:32:00 - [130] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Orignal Poster you have no clue I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina. It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out? None of those changes actually involved the skill bonuses I am still correct and apparently you still don't have a clue You sir have absolutly no idea what you are talking aout. The caldari logi nerf DID change their skills old - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield extenders per level current - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield regulators per level not to mention a huge CPU nerf. So please quit embarising yourself by talking.

ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 974	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:37:00 - [131] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Damn it, I LOVE you! Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised. Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3610	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:42:00 - [132] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. I want to play Dust514 - ccp... Halp?
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5758	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:45:00 - [133] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. ...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5153	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:47:00 - [134] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. ...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now. That is harsh in a very, very different sense. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5758	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:55:00 - [135] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. ...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now. That is harsh in a very, very different sense. No BB Glitch? Removing that was best for the game but so harsh on dedicated PvPers without Megamules.... but it made PvP fits far more valuable. Not that different patch 1.4 or 1.6 killed the FoTM fast rolling, Giants wearing, Claymore wielding, Mask of Father wield twats.....who complained for some time, then adapted. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.15 23:58:00 - [136] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. And you obviously don't know the diferance between keeping a comunity happy, and just running a game into the ground to make the FoTM players quiet.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2703	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:13:00 - [137] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: You sir have absolutly no idea what you are talking aout. The caldari logi nerf DID change their skills old - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield extenders per level current - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield regulators per level not to mention a huge CPU nerf. So please quit embarising yourself by talking. I will consent that but the heavy buff and flaylock nerf did not include skill bonus changes so you are at odds Secondly, please tell me how it would be OK for CCP to do this: Remove Scout Sidearm Not refund Sidearm skills or Gallogi skill bonus now solely Active Scanner related No refund of Equipment (especially if a gallogi did NOT spec into Active Scanner) or Amarr Assault no longer has heat bonus No refund for Scrambler Rifle or Laser Rifle How are any of those scenarios even remotely fair to a user who planned their SP around their suit yet changes to the suit would nullify the purpose/intent of SP investments? How the hell was anyone supposed to plan on the scout becoming a logistics suit or the Amarr Assault now pertaining only to Armor repair modules when someone invested around Armor Modules for laser weaponry because the Skill of today was the Skill of today. No one invests SP based on past bonuses so why should anyone have to invest SP gambling on future bonuses? Lastly I can't take you very serious when you spell embarrassing wrong, it's ironic because people who can't spell yet continue to write.... Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:33:00 - [138] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: You sir have absolutly no idea what you are talking aout. The caldari logi nerf DID change their skills old - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield extenders per level current - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield regulators per level not to mention a huge CPU nerf. So please quit embarising yourself by talking. I will consent that but the heavy buff and flaylock nerf did not include skill bonus changes so you are at odds Secondly, please tell me how it would be OK for CCP to do this: Remove Scout Sidearm Not refund Sidearm skills or Gallogi skill bonus now solely Active Scanner related No refund of Equipment (especially if a gallogi did NOT spec into Active Scanner) or Amarr Assault no longer has heat bonus No refund for Scrambler Rifle or Laser Rifle How are any of those scenarios even remotely fair to a user who planned their SP around their suit yet changes to the suit would nullify the purpose/intent of SP investments? How the hell was anyone supposed to plan on the scout becoming a logistics suit or the Amarr Assault now pertaining only to Armor repair modules when someone invested around Armor Modules for laser weaponry because the Skill of today was the Skill of today. No one invests SP based on past bonuses so why should anyone have to invest SP gambling on future bonuses? Lastly I can't take you very serious when you spell embarrassing wrong, it's ironic because people who can't spell yet continue to write.... Well I will conceed that IF they take away the scout sidearm they should get some sort of side arm respec. Tho you will be happy to know the CPM is heavy trying to convince them to take a granade slot or no slot at all. I know I cant spell well. came to terms with it years ago back in college, i just stoped giving a hoot.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1100	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:41:00 - [139] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. -1 for respecs an SP refund isn't about keeping the community alive, if you make a poor decision that is your fault and have fun dealing with the consequences of your actions. SP refunds only should given be in the case that a skill, class, role, or tool, is altered to the point of deviation from it's original functionality or removed. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
TunRa NEW OMENS 365	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:41:00 - [140] - Quote I have one heavy suit that I am aloud o use a HMG with. Hmmmmm was I just going to let my HMG character not use the HMG till all racial heavy suits were released a year later? Yeah totaly wasted my SP in FOTM because I speced into the ONLY heavy suit available, and got it protoed out so I can't compete with the other proto players in various game modes. +1 for Heavy respec Thanks CCP Foxfour

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 553	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:50:00 - [141] - Quote I'm often on the side of no SP respecs, but if the singularity changes go live CCP is changing so much that people not only put SP into suits for, but associated weapons. People have mentioned the Amarr assault and ScR or laser, there are also people (like myself) who went into Minmatar assault to be specialized with sidearms. This is millions of SP allocated to a certain type of build that is now just being pulled away because CCP obviously think they made a mistake. If the OP thinks that solution to that is to force people to play a role they didn't want to while they spend another half year grinding the SP to skill into what they now do want to do....well then he and the few people that agree with him will be playing this game by themselves because I know a lot of players are not going to tolerate such sweeping changes without being given the chance to respec.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2704	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:51:00 - [142] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Well I will conceed that IF they take away the scout sidearm they should get some sort of side arm respec. Tho you will be happy to know the CPM is heavy trying to convince them to take a granade slot or no slot at all. I know I cant spell well. came to terms with it years ago back in college, i just stoped giving a hoot. I am aware of the debate Don't simply ignore the other scenarios either, everything is changing If I ran a Gallente Assault I would've specced into Hybrid weapon for the skill bonus and regenerative modules But the Gallente Assault is losing it's Hybrid weapon Bonus (so Hybrid weapon respec) And it's bonus is now pertaining to Armor Plate Modules so I should get a module respec as well so I can incorporate the applicable modules n'est-ce pas? And it goes on and on. This is not about flavor of the month, this is a one time deal because they are changing already existing skills, not just adding new ones. If the future scout is no longer appealing to me due to range nerf, I should be granted the right to be specced out of scout and all the modules I specced into specifically for the scout because CCP made a drastic change that would effect my overall suit desires. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 334	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:51:00 - [143] - Quote Respecs undo the most common incentive to log on: character progress. From a designers standpoint; respecs are an absolute nightmare. Every time you issue a respec, you are sacrificing how much longer players are going to stick around to unlock new content. A lot of people could do with learning that the best things in life are those you earn through invested effort. It would make the lives of the devs so much easier if they didn't have to constantly worry about respecs whenever they want to change something, I suspect.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2704	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:53:00 - [144] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: Respecs undo the most common incentive to log on: character progress. From a designers standpoint; respecs are an absolute nightmare. Every time you issue a respec, you are sacrificing how much longer players are going to stick around to unlock new content. A lot of people could do with learning that the best things in life are those you earn through invested effort. It would make the lives of the devs so much easier if they didn't have to constantly worry about respecs whenever they want to change something, I suspect. But who would want to invest in something they did not want to invest in? Check out latest BSOTT Guide
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3610	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:57:00 - [145] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. ...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now. Those games are good.....Dont need an extra incentive to be played... Its EZ to crete a powerful cahracter so the replay value is inmense,providing a way for a player to test multiple gamestyles with the chance to redo,infinite times.... I want to play Dust514 - ccp... Halp?
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3611	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:59:00 - [146] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. -1 for respecs an SP refund isn't about keeping the community alive, if you make a poor decision that is your fault and have fun dealing with the consequences of your actions. SP refunds only should given be in the case that a skill, class, role, or tool, is altered to the point of deviation from it's original functionality or removed. Which has happened several times and WILL keep happening. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Toby Flenderson research lab 186	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:09:00 - [147] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU 1. By your logic we shouldn't even ask for a choice regarding drop suits at all. The game may as well randomly assign you a suit because it will be useful. Even better, they could let you pick and play with it for a few months and then just replace all of it's stats with those of another suit (start with a heavy and end up with a scout, say). The logic behind this "a suit doesn't become useless when they change it so accept that you have a new role" goes against your own "live with your decisions" creed on a fundamental level. 2. The Gallente scout could become a better speed hacker than the new minmater logi. This doesn't make the Scout suit a hack suit, it makes it capable of stretching itself to fit the role far less effectively than another suit, aka current minmater logi, can. If they made the scouts as slow as the logis in 1.8 you could argue that they could stack complex kin cats to bring them back to the role they once were. Arguments like this completely miss the point and are worthless considering for any role (hack suit, scan scout, sniper, etc.) there are a multiple suits that can half ass it. That's why CCP made specialized suits to give players a way to compliment their specific play styles. Just because suits can be like other suits doesn't help your argument against the players complaining that they've invested into a super specific role based on previous mechanics only to be forced into another role that most likely will not benefit form the millions of SP they put into the specialized skills (hack speed, passive scan range, sidearms, etc).
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:14:00 - [148] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Well I will conceed that IF they take away the scout sidearm they should get some sort of side arm respec. Tho you will be happy to know the CPM is heavy trying to convince them to take a granade slot or no slot at all. I know I cant spell well. came to terms with it years ago back in college, i just stoped giving a hoot. I am aware of the debate Don't simply ignore the other scenarios either, everything is changing If I ran a Gallente Assault I would've specced into Hybrid weapon for the skill bonus and regenerative modules But the Gallente Assault is losing it's Hybrid weapon Bonus (so Hybrid weapon respec) And it's bonus is now pertaining to Armor Plate Modules so I should get a module respec as well so I can incorporate the applicable modules n'est-ce pas? And it goes on and on. This is not about flavor of the month, this is a one time deal because they are changing already existing skills, not just adding new ones. If the future scout is no longer appealing to me due to range nerf, I should be granted the right to be specced out of scout and all the modules I specced into specifically for the scout because CCP made a drastic change that would effect my overall suit desires. You see, the MAIN reason Im against respecs is because I don't belive it will be a "one time deal" they will likely change bonuses many times in the future, release new suits many times in the future, and generaly tweak the game as they see fit. When the nw heavy weapons come out, and CCP gave us a respec now, how willthey deny all heavys getting a compleete weapon respec? They will say that CCP caved for this patch and they will have no ground to stand on against them. Or what if they add 3 round to the plasma cannon per mag and take away its charge time, will fundimentaly change how its used, respec! If CCP promises to never give a respec again no matter how much we beg (unless they remove skills) , i might be convinced, but I just dont see it starting once it starts.
Ralden Caster Omega Elite Mercs INC. 27	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:16:00 - [149] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: CCP, please delete OP's account. I will bet my kids the community will be better off. I've seen this name everywhere on the forums. Who IS OP? Minmatar Dropship. Uprising 1.7.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1105	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:18:00 - [150] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: knight of 6 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. -1 for respecs an SP refund isn't about keeping the community alive, if you make a poor decision that is your fault and have fun dealing with the consequences of your actions. SP refunds only should given be in the case that a skill, class, role, or tool, is altered to the point of deviation from it's original functionality or removed. Which has happened several times and WILL keep happening. right, then CCP gives more refunds, I am not against refunding SP, I'm for it in all necessary cases. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET

Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2704	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:22:00 - [151] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: You see, the MAIN reason Im against respecs is because I don't belive it will be a "one time deal" they will likely change bonuses many times in the future, release new suits many times in the future, and generaly tweak the game as they see fit. When the nw heavy weapons come out, and CCP gave us a respec now, how willthey deny all heavys getting a compleete weapon respec? They will say that CCP caved for this patch and they will have no ground to stand on against them. Or what if they add 3 round to the plasma cannon per mag and take away its charge time, will fundimentaly change how its used, respec! If CCP promises to never give a respec again no matter how much we beg (unless they remove skills) , i might be convinced, but I just dont see it starting once it starts. It already started with Uprising and once it's started well it's started from their you can have a middle and an end. Also why shouldn't CCP be forced to live with their decisions? If the players get locked into a suit why shouldn't CCP be locked from changing that suit? In that case and ONLY THAT CASE could CCP get away with no respecs. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 334	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:25:00 - [152] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Respecs undo the most common incentive to log on: character progress. From a designers standpoint; respecs are an absolute nightmare. Every time you issue a respec, you are sacrificing how much longer players are going to stick around to unlock new content. A lot of people could do with learning that the best things in life are those you earn through invested effort. It would make the lives of the devs so much easier if they didn't have to constantly worry about respecs whenever they want to change something, I suspect. But who would want to invest in something they did not want to invest in? That's the point: no one. If you issue respecs, that's exactly what happens: people invest them in what they fancy at the moment. Things people fancy at the moment and character progress incentives go hand in hand. A respec simply means players can skip that much of the character progress. Then the next respec comes around: the player has moved on and wants to try the most appealing toy post change. Every time there is a respec, players can scratch one more goal's worth of content off the total list of content. And for a content starved game like DUST... You see where I'm going... A bit of suffering makes the tiniest accomplishment seem worthwhile, and it's time this community swapped its diapers for big boy pants. Reimbursing the SP for a removed skill is reasonable. Respecs for simple balance changes is not.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 39	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:27:00 - [153] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? I believe, due to the several obvious inaccuracies throughout this, that I am forced to reach the conclusion that we have, in our midst, a fully-formed and free-thinking troll. What does the rest of science have to say about it?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 837	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:41:00 - [154] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Yes give me my dreamed about perfect skill allocation for this next patch and all will be alright everything will be fixed. Except when the next patch changes or when a whole new expansion comes out in 2.0 and that respec is even more useless because more shinny stuff will come out... This is endless and has NEVER fixed an activity problem in any game but momentarily. you will get reimbursed for your dropsuit skills so you can reallocate and then enjoy a tripple SP event... What more could you really want seriously without it being all about memememememe, my skills and pretending like you never got any use out of them, and now wanting to trade them in for a brand new pair of shoes There are core mechanic issues persistent for 2 years and your trying to blame inactivity on not having the perfect skills or having to work to get some new ones. its sad.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2704	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:41:00 - [155] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: That's the point: no one. If you issue respecs, that's exactly what happens: people invest them in what they fancy at the moment. Things people fancy at the moment and character progress incentives go hand in hand. A respec simply means players can skip that much of the character progress. Then the next respec comes around: the player has moved on and wants to try the most appealing toy post change. Every time there is a respec, players can scratch one more goal's worth of content off the total list of content. And for a content starved game like DUST... You see where I'm going... A bit of suffering makes the tiniest accomplishment seem worthwhile, and it's time this community swapped its diapers for big boy pants. Reimbursing the SP for a removed skill is reasonable. Respecs for simple balance changes is not. So not only are you saying that people should be forced to locked into a suit/role that THEY did not spec into at the time but you are also saying that radically overhauling a suit is balancing rather than a new direction? Also why do you base your argument off of future respecs? We are talking about when the changes hit, not every month. You can't have FOTM without monthly respecs. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1637	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:53:00 - [156] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] couldn't have put it better, myself. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.01.16 01:54:00 - [157] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Too true.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:00:00 - [158] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? I believe, due to the several obvious inaccuracies throughout this, that I am forced to reach the conclusion that we have, in our midst, a fully-formed and free-thinking troll. What does the rest of science have to say about it? Well I would be lieing if I said that poking all these bears wasent fun as hell. But I still think caving to respecs will have a negitive effect on the game.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1505	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:05:00 - [159] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] nothing truer has ever been said! And I don't even need a respec! (considering I have like 32M SP.......) Marston VC, STB Director
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 837	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:06:00 - [160] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Too true. Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Quote: People who collect Ferraris or simply covet them from afar spend a lot of time trying to decide when a model of a certain age, like a decade-old 550 or 575 Maranello, has GÇ£hit bottomGÇ¥ in terms of depreciation. The idea is that once a car is fully depreciated it may soon begin to grow in value. It could also be a good value for bargain shoppers.

Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:12:00 - [161] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. It is a known and expected downside of vehicle ownership that deals with resale value of a used item; not the item itself. Cars don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities. And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:20:00 - [162] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: Bethhy wrote: Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. It is a known and expected downside of vehicle ownership that deals with resale value of a used item; not the item itself. Cars don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities. And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken. but eveyone knows suits will change skills based on CCPs balancing whims
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 837	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:25:00 - [163] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: Bethhy wrote: Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. They don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities. And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken. Everyone knew suit's would change, weapons would be rebalanced, eventually the additional racial suits would get added with some kind of announcement and time to save up for it. We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. Everyone has skills no longer relevant to the actual gameplay, one day they might be extremely useful and we will have already gotten them. we can pretend we didn't get any use out of them and now they are equally as valuable as something we would trade them in for.. but it doesn't scan...
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 335	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:38:00 - [164] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: J-Lewis wrote: That's the point: no one. If you issue respecs, that's exactly what happens: people invest them in what they fancy at the moment. Things people fancy at the moment and character progress incentives go hand in hand. A respec simply means players can skip that much of the character progress. Then the next respec comes around: the player has moved on and wants to try the most appealing toy post change. Every time there is a respec, players can scratch one more goal's worth of content off the total list of content. And for a content starved game like DUST... You see where I'm going... A bit of suffering makes the tiniest accomplishment seem worthwhile, and it's time this community swapped its diapers for big boy pants. Reimbursing the SP for a removed skill is reasonable. Respecs for simple balance changes is not. So not only are you saying that people should be forced to locked into a suit/role that THEY did not spec into at the time but you are also saying that radically overhauling a suit is balancing rather than a new direction? Also why do you base your argument off of future respecs? We are talking about when the changes hit, not every month. You can't have FOTM without monthly respecs. Please don't put words in my mouth. I wrote that character progress was the most widespread incentive to logging in. I argued that respecs undo the incentive to log in that character progress creates in exchange for a one time "log in binge". I'm stating that an overhaul serves the higher purpose of balance, and that balance is an iterative process. I'm reasoning that the removal of a skillbook warrants returning the SP invested in that skillbook. I'm rebuting the opinion that a simple act of balancing merits a respec. I'm ending our conversation on this topic here. Have a nice day.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5771	Posted - 2014.01.16 02:52:00 - [165] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Sirys Lyons wrote: Bethhy wrote: Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. They don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities. And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken. Everyone knew suit's would change, weapons would be rebalanced, eventually the additional racial suits would get added with some kind of announcement and time to save up for it. We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. Everyone has skills no longer relevant to the actual gameplay, one day they might be extremely useful and we will have already gotten them. we can pretend we didn't get any use out of them and now they are equally as valuable as something we would trade them in for.. but it doesn't scan... I didn't. Since the start of my time playing dust the suits I had initially wanted to skill into have not been present in the game. Caldari Heavy, Cal Scout, etc. However now I am resolved on my choice. I will skill into Amarr scouts, HAV, vehicles, and pilot suits anyway. However, and I'm not demanding a respect, endorsing one, or even suspecting we will get one, I like to think that my 12 months playing dust have not been a waste of time given than I have never had the Amarr scout to skill into. I would have liked that option very much months ago. Unfortunately I didn't have that and much of my SP is tied up in the only suit that I found to fit them then style of play which was Amarrian. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1343	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:01:00 - [166] - Quote This thread has taken a turn for the worse, and has turned from healthy debate into something less. The simple fact is, most people think a skill refund is an acceptable option considering the circumstances. It would be wise of CCP to take their opinions into account. It was also bad on CCPs part to say refund/respecs will never happen, then dramatically change the roles and playstyled of almost every suit in the game. Actions like this breed distrust. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2705	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:15:00 - [167] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: [quote=J-Lewis] That's the point: no one. If you issue respecs, that's exactly what happens: people invest them in what they fancy at the moment. Things people fancy at the moment and character progress incentives go hand in hand. A respec simply means players can skip that much of the character progress. Then the next respec comes around: the player has moved on and wants to try the most appealing toy post change. Every time there is a respec, players can scratch one more goal's worth of content off the total list of content. And for a content starved game like DUST... You see where I'm going... A bit of suffering makes the tiniest accomplishment seem worthwhile, and it's time this community swapped its diapers for big boy pants. Reimbursing the SP for a removed skill is reasonable. Respecs for simple balance changes is not. Please don't put words in my mouth. I wrote that character progress was the most widespread incentive to logging in. I argued that respecs undo the incentive to log in that character progress creates in exchange for a one time "log in binge". I'm stating that an overhaul serves the higher purpose of balance, and that balance is an iterative process. I'm reasoning that the removal of a skillbook warrants returning the SP invested in that skillbook. I'm rebuting the opinion that a simple act of balancing merits a respec. I'm ending our conversation on this topic here. Have a nice day. You have to work for the last word Underlined portions are what you said and what I reiterated. You are basing your argument off of the possibility of numerous-different respecs in the future. Secondly you are saying that people should have to stick by the side of a suit even if it is taken to a different role just for the sake of balance. Removing a sidearm and adding an equipment slot to one suit is not balance, that's a tradeoff, that's a new direction. They are changing the fundamentals of a suit, and if no respec is given, people signing on for a combat suit will end up with a logistics suit. You said that "overhaul serves a higher purpose of balance" and that "Respecs for simple balance changes is not" a reason for SP unallocation. I put no words in your mouth, you just need to stand by your words, I made the mistake of not standing by my words once and it haunts me. You are saying that NO RESPECS unless a skill is removed. What if the profile dampening skill no longer included a bonus (+2% reduction profile p/l) or even replaced with a skill (let's say +10% to your profile so you can be scanned easier). The skill was not removed but the bonus was. What I want to know from you is that if that does not constitute a skill removal than what does? Having the title changed? The fact of the matter is that things are going to be dramatically changing, so much that suits will be going in completely different directions. The Scout is becoming a logistics type suit the assaults are becoming tank suits and some suit bonuses will only apply to certain modules. It's about how the suits are completely changing AND the skills. Nothing is going to be the same so why should you be specced into the same things? What if CCP took your suit and swapped the low and high slot counts and didn't spec you out of the suit. How is that fair? What destroys character progression is CCP destroying the essence of your already existing character and changing its principles. Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:38:00 - [168] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec. Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1344	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:47:00 - [169] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec. Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs. But there is no way to skill out of a suit/weapon you have no intention of ever using again because the developers changed it so much that it cannot perform the same functions that you had originally skilled into it for. That is why we want a dropsuit SP refund. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2707	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:52:00 - [170] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec. Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs. That's not entirely true I am saying there is no character completely designed for FOTM without monthly respecs. That was my bad I should have been a little more specific. I can obviously spec into FOTM if I choose but it would require SP accumulation on my end. If there was a monthly respec I could invest my existing SP however I please and choose a FOTM. But since there will be no such thing as monthly respec, you don't have to worry about FOTM. If CCP does an Infantry respec, people will spec into what they please and in any scenario with/without respec there will be uneven distribution but that is natural, just like there are more ants in the world than elephants. Things will be no different then when they introduced new weapons. People will spam new weapons for a while and it will be chaotic but then things will even out. And there was no respec for the new weapons either and the spam was like maximum. There's nothing preventing people from speccing into a new direction but a single respec is not going to direct the whole populace to one suit, one weapon, one fitting. It just won't happen even to a point of majority. People have been playing since 2011 and waiting for X suit but never got it and had to work with substitutes. Now that X suit is coming out, I think it's fair that they be unshackled and go to what they've been waiting/planning for. Check out latest BSOTT Guide

Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1036	Posted - 2014.01.16 06:08:00 - [171] - Quote Again, it's simple... Mass new content deserves a respec, with scouts, heavies and vehicle users at the forefront. Their stuff is missing still. Complete re-stucture of vital skills is also grounds for allowing a respec to the affected skills. It should only be given once all the main MISSING content is finally delivered. They can do it all at once and make that the FINAL respec. End of story. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:15:00 - [172] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec. Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs. That's not entirely true I am saying there is no character completely designed for FOTM without monthly respecs. That was my bad I should have been a little more specific. I can obviously spec into FOTM if I choose but it would require SP accumulation on my end. If there was a monthly respec I could invest my existing SP however I please and choose a FOTM. But since there will be no such thing as monthly respec, you don't have to worry about FOTM. If CCP does an Infantry respec, people will spec into what they please and in any scenario with/without respec there will be uneven distribution but that is natural, just like there are more ants in the world than elephants. Things will be no different then when they introduced new weapons. People will spam new weapons for a while and it will be chaotic but then things will even out. And there was no respec for the new weapons either and the spam was like maximum. There's nothing preventing people from speccing into a new direction but a single respec is not going to direct the whole populace to one suit, one weapon, one fitting. It just won't happen even to a point of majority. People have been playing since 2011 and waiting for X suit but never got it and had to work with substitutes. Now that X suit is coming out, I think it's fair that they be unshackled and go to what they've been waiting/planning for. Omg... i got one of you to present a reasonalble argument without spite or sarcasim, nor personal attacks agont my inteligance, my job is done here! I do remind you that a unhealthy amount of people specked into caldari logi last respec, just saying, but you have still earned me shuting up
Lucrezia LeGrand 217	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:43:00 - [173] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs. Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive.... +1 FOR respecs. ...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now. Yeah, but they were being harsh in a good way e.g. with a challenging gameplay that was solid, rewarding, and most importantly, complete. There was no missing assets. It was complete from beginning to end. What a gloriously, wonderfully, complete experience Demon's Souls and Dark Souls turned out to be. Nothing missing in those two gems. My God, how I love those two games. Now I feel all nice and tingly for remembering how great they were. Thank you. ya- hoi hoi
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 797	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:49:00 - [174] - Quote suit respec and only when they are all out... ccp should hold back the skill changes and new suits untill they can be released together with a suit respec. this way we can finally put this to rest https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1060	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:59:00 - [175] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now. bad example, in demon or dark soul getting a pvp toon takes like a few hours even if you do it without exploits. those games are also harsh in a very different sense. DUST Fiend wrote: What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said. he never had any crediblity to begin with. this guy does not even know the difference of EVE and DUST Beck Weathers wrote: Logic is in the eye of the beholder bub logic is in the eye of persons with enough brainpower to sport it obviously you lack it when you cant even see basic coherences of hard facts presented to you on a silver plate. congrats on making yourself look like the most stupid member of the dust community, you get a medal (made out of poop)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1602	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:23:00 - [176] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec. Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs. That's not entirely true I am saying there is no character completely designed for FOTM without monthly respecs. That was my bad I should have been a little more specific. I can obviously spec into FOTM if I choose but it would require SP accumulation on my end. If there was a monthly respec I could invest my existing SP however I please and choose a FOTM. But since there will be no such thing as monthly respec, you don't have to worry about FOTM. If CCP does an Infantry respec, people will spec into what they please and in any scenario with/without respec there will be uneven distribution but that is natural, just like there are more ants in the world than elephants. Things will be no different then when they introduced new weapons. People will spam new weapons for a while and it will be chaotic but then things will even out. And there was no respec for the new weapons either and the spam was like maximum. There's nothing preventing people from speccing into a new direction but a single respec is not going to direct the whole populace to one suit, one weapon, one fitting. It just won't happen even to a point of majority. People have been playing since 2011 and waiting for X suit but never got it and had to work with substitutes. Now that X suit is coming out, I think it's fair that they be unshackled and go to what they've been waiting/planning for. Omg... i got one of you to present a reasonalble argument without spite or sarcasim, nor personal attacks agont my inteligance, my job is done here! I do remind you that a unhealthy amount of people specked into caldari logi last respec, just saying, but you have still earned me shuting up Wait... All I had to do to shut you up was take the sarcasm out of my post? Damn, I wish I had known that before. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
Anoko Destrolock Crimson Saints 32	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:35:00 - [177] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? You sir, are a dumbdumb. Your worried about FotM and people adapting.....lol. Everything is changing bro. Go home or go away. You comments are not welcome here.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1665	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:37:00 - [178] - Quote People that play EVE tell me they get one neural remap a year. Why shouldn't we have the same? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 999	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:50:00 - [179] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: People that play EVE tell me they get one neural remap a year. Why shouldn't we have the same? But we also don't have banana-milkshake in EVE, so that's why we shouldn't have respecs.
Rogue Saint Science For Death 677	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:57:00 - [180] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: People that play EVE tell me they get one neural remap a year. Why shouldn't we have the same? A neural remap doesn't change the skills you have already learned or give you an SP pool back. It just allows you to remap your base attributes such as Memory, Intelligence etc. This can then allow you to train more skills "faster" depending on the skills attribute focus. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 186	Posted - 2014.01.16 13:47:00 - [181] - Quote A respec is a double edged sword for CCP. If they do not give us one (which the x3sp event, and lack of confirmations would lead us to believe) then 1.8 had better have a flawless launch. With speculations (not much confirmed) of complete overhauls of suits, skills, and even modules (ex: dmg mods) they are changing the foundations that a lot of us built our suits around. You change the suit, you drastically alter our playstyle, our loadout, and ultimately our efficiency on the battlefield. No respec, I doubt people stick around to deal with the turmoil of a buggy launch. Think its any coincidence that SiSi "leaked" info right in the heart of the tank QQ, after 2 weeks of no Dev Tags and numbers dropping off? Me neither. However, if CCP does offer a respec, then 1.8 can afford to be a less than spectacular launch. People will be so happy with their unallocated SP they will be more willing to put up with 3 weeks of bugs and broken suit bonuses and armor reps not working and what not. And anyone that thinks FoTM is going to be any more of a problem than usual, I disagree. Anyone dumb enough to go FOTM after 1.7 deserves the isk sink. It will take at least a week for 85% of this population to figure out what the FOTM is anyways, and my guess is only about 30% have enough SP to 'waste' into it. And not that many make it through the first week without allocating all of their SP.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2228	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:02:00 - [182] - Quote CCP cant lose with a respec Intelligence is OP
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 999	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:16:00 - [183] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 186	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:17:00 - [184] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: CCP will lose with a respec No.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2228	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:20:00 - [185] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Intelligence is OP
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 999	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:31:00 - [186] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: No. Yes!
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:52:00 - [187] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Becquse player frustration drives people to buy aurm for skill bosters and low skill requirment suits and weapons, but i have said that and im being good. CCP could always try making money off novilty items such as perminate cammos, corp logo shoulder pads, and helmet variations, then they wouldnt have to worry about skill boster sails because i would by my entire corp a awsome cammo so we would look uniform.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 189	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:57:00 - [188] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Becquse player frustration drives people to buy aurm for skill bosters and low skill requirment suits and weapons, but i have said that and im being good. CCP could always try making money off novilty items such as perminate cammos, corp logo shoulder pads, and helmet variations, then they wouldnt have to worry about skill boster sails because i would by my entire corp a awsome cammo so we would look uniform. CCP added skill booster sails???? Where are the skill booster ships???
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:00:00 - [189] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Becquse player frustration drives people to buy aurm for skill bosters and low skill requirment suits and weapons, but i have said that and im being good. CCP could always try making money off novilty items such as perminate cammos, corp logo shoulder pads, and helmet variations, then they wouldnt have to worry about skill boster sails because i would by my entire corp a awsome cammo so we would look uniform. CCP added skill booster sails???? Where are the skill booster ships??? Over in pirates 101, quick hurry and go play it
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 660	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:26:00 - [190] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Sirys Lyons wrote: Bethhy wrote: Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. It is a known and expected downside of vehicle ownership that deals with resale value of a used item; not the item itself. Cars don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities. And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken. but eveyone knows suits will change skills based on CCPs balancing whims This is incorrect. Everyone assumes suits / weapons / vehicles / equipment etc will be strengthened, weakened or changed to keep balance but those changes are to be in line with the stated (read description) role of said equipment. You are also assuming that everyone that played, plays and will play the game loves and is immersed in EVE and comes on this forum to stay up to date. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:39:00 - [191] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: This is incorrect. Everyone assumes suits / weapons / vehicles / equipment etc will be strengthened, weakened or changed to keep balance but those changes are to be in line with the stated (read description) role of said equipment. You are also assuming that everyone that played, plays and will play the game loves and is immersed in EVE and comes on this forum to stay up to date. The active scanner equipment says that the feedback of the scan will light the user up on the radar the same as the people who where just scanned, but unfortunatly that isent acurate. Also I dont get your argument on this case at all, what item in the game is changing drasticaly from its description? Is it the amarr logi whos getting an uplink bonus? because that is their racial equipment and who better to get an equipment bonus than the logi. Also to anyone who dosent keep up to date on the forums, will probialy be happy for any additions to the game, respecs or not. You know what they say about blissful ignorance
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 845	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:43:00 - [192] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10062	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:43:00 - [193] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 660	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:50:00 - [194] - Quote @Beck Weathers Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore. Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1347	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:08:00 - [195] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. They already gave a SP refund to vehicle skills since then. Holding CCP to their word is a bad idea... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 292	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:12:00 - [196] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: @Beck Weathers Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore. Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money. But as a buisness they need to make money, i never said this was the best way to make money, but it IS how they have set themseves up to make it. I also said that they should expand into selling acessorys for aurm, and that I would buy some myself.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 17	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:16:00 - [197] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. These were posted before the vehicle respect correct? Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 17	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:17:00 - [198] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... aren't you the one always crying about the skies being filled with red line railgun fire? Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 292	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:21:00 - [199] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. These were posted before the vehicle respect correct? "bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes." read his post again, the entire tank skill tree was reworked, hard to keep the SP for a skill that dosent exist anymore.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1060	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:28:00 - [200] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. the next stupidity medal made out of poop is here for you reading comprehension FTW, reset != respec/refund. see tanks SP refund last patch

Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 661	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:30:00 - [201] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: @Beck Weathers Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore. Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money. But as a buisness they need to make money, i never said this was the best way to make money, but it IS how they have set themseves up to make it. I also said that they should expand into selling acessorys for aurm, and that I would buy some myself. Well they have set their model up like this. They must know only a certain type of person will continue to spend just to have more or another will spend to stay competitive because they have less time. I dont see how a respec when a shift like this happens changes any of that. This isnt a weapon is buffed or one suit is brought into line occurrence. You may not see the changes as significant but some people's entire playstyle may have to change if they are stuck in an existing suit. For the record I am against respecs but I am wholly in favour of them when changes like this happen. If your lore and model is based on living with decisions you have to make, then you cant change the events that made you make those decisions. You can but..... you lose all credibility. On other avenues to gain revenue. All have said similar and we all wait on stuff to give CCP our money but their content pipe only seems to drip. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10063	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:31:00 - [202] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... aren't you the one always crying about the skies being filled with red line railgun fire? Not sure what that has to do with a respec. And I only complain because of the redline, I actually enjoy flying through railgun fire because it's the mark of a good pilot to be able to survive in that **** while still getting work done. The redline is just a noob crutch that has no business existing, and is a primitive fix to a complex problem that doesn't actually fix anything. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 847	Posted - 2014.01.16 18:06:00 - [203] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. These were posted before the vehicle respect correct? They Deleted skills in the vehicle tree, then re structured it. They would have to go back into everyone's individual accounts and figure out how SP would be reallocated... it wouldn't make sense and isn't a basis of argument for everyone getting a respecialization... This is a completely different situations... Reimbursal's have always been in the history of CCP.
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 225	Posted - 2014.01.17 07:29:00 - [204] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: So where was my assult rifle respec? They added two new rifles that compeeted with it, guess proto ARs stomped RRs for weeks... oh wait people including myself had new rifles proto and proficancy5 the first day. Yeah eh, too small of a change to be honest, but adding entirely new suits with different layouts and modules and such....
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:08:00 - [205] - Quote I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. But this is dust a console game and ccp keep making the changes. I run a heavy have done ever since closed beta and I love it tho iv always wanted to run a mini heavy. If we had all the full suit/vehicle/weapon/maps/skills we could make the informed choice and live with it without fear of ccp changing the game. Don't get me wrong I hate respect but you can't blame players wanting to when we don't have a complete game.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1060	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:46:00 - [206] - Quote steelRatt wrote: I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. actually that is not fully correct. you can buy any character at the character bazar for ISK if you are not happy with your current one. beside that, the SP gain in EVE is fully passive, you can increase the SP gain by a proper neural remap, get some implants, then stop playing for a month, play the latest next gen game in the meantime to experience something fresh and then get enough passive SP to get a new toy with decent amount of support skills in that new toy. try that in dust, you will only unluck a single proto weapon without the support skills and nothing else.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.01.17 09:05:00 - [207] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: steelRatt wrote: I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. actually that is not fully correct. you can buy any character at the character bazar for ISK if you are not happy with your current one. So you can choose to buy a character if you don't like we're you spent you sp but not change your sp spent . And I love how sp is spent in eve it's a shame it's not like that in dust
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 333	Posted - 2014.01.17 10:59:00 - [208] - Quote due to all the bonus changes on the suits there must be a complete infantry respec. I only skilled into Amarr for that heat reduction bonus which will now go to the commando. With rifles like the RR out, theres no need for SCR,LR for me anymore. Once upon a time those where the only long range weapons, but guess what, once upon a time was once upon a time. The infantry game already has changed alot, and will change even more with 1.8, theres actually no reson NOT to give out a respec. another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1597	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:12:00 - [209] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a Porsche. [this is not a decision] FTFY Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 82	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:14:00 - [210] - Quote respec plz Unofficial D.A.R.K.L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 297	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:57:00 - [211] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: steelRatt wrote: I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. actually that is not fully correct. you can buy any character at the character bazar for ISK if you are not happy with your current one. beside that, the SP gain in EVE is fully passive, you can increase the SP gain by a proper neural remap, get some implants, then stop playing for a month, play the latest next gen game in the meantime to experience something fresh and then get enough passive SP to get a new toy with decent amount of support skills in that new toy. try that in dust, you will only unluck a single proto weapon without the support skills and nothing else. Buying a decent charicter in EVE is extreamly expensive, normaly around 7-10 BIL for a decently skilled charicter, I know I have trained eve alts and sold them for isk, and most of the people who buy alts are people who get isk with money from CCP then go and buy a high skilled charicter to cut out all the training time. So most of the time it is in CCPs benifit to let people sell charicters in EVE. So its not something the average EVE player gets to do any tiem in their EVE life. You also relise you can make another PSN acount make a charicter and set its passive SP on and come back in a few months and be a whole nother person. And no 1 month of training in EVE gets you no where, thats like maybe getting your gun skill from 4-5, unlocking the T2 version and definatly no time for decent suport skills.. kinda like unlocking one proto gun in dust in around a month. Oh and in EVE they dont have SP events every other month givign out 2x or 3x SP. Your trying to use peoples ignorance over how EVEs SP works to make it sound like they have a advantage over dust, but they also have aabout 100 more skills and 8-9 years of development under its belt over DUST.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1061	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:23:00 - [212] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Buying a decent charicter in EVE is extreamly expensive, normaly around 7-10 BIL for a well skilled charicter, I know I have trained eve alts and sold them for isk, and most of the people who buy alts are people who get isk with money from CCP then go and buy a high skilled charicter to cut out all the training time. So most of the time it is in CCPs benifit to let people sell charicters in EVE. So its not something the average EVE player gets to do any tiem in their EVE life. You also relise you can make another PSN acount make a charicter and set its passive SP on and come back in a few months and be a whole nother person. And no 1 month of training in EVE gets you no where, thats like maybe getting your gun skill from 4-5, unlocking the T2 version and definatly no time for decent suport skills.. kinda like unlocking one proto gun in dust in around a month. Oh and in EVE they dont have SP events every other month givign out 2x or 3x SP. Your trying to use peoples ignorance over how EVEs SP works to make it sound like they have a advantage over dust, but they also have aabout 100 more skills and 8-9 years of development under its belt over DUST. 7-10 bil is expensive? I made 1 bil in my first two months with trading when I started EVE years ago and yes, 1 or 2 month of passive SP gets you very far actually. lvl 5 in cruisers or frigates from another race takes a some like 10 days with implants and proper neural remap and you do not need lvl 5, keep it lvl 4 save alot of time and get the support skills to lvl 4-5 and this is easily done in 1 or 2 months, not to mention that alot of the support skills carry over to other stuff. you can try out new races ships and carry on. try that in dust who is ignorant now?
Chaos Scum Warcaste 23	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:25:00 - [213] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Chaos Scum wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... aren't you the one always crying about the skies being filled with red line railgun fire? Not sure what that has to do with a respec. And I only complain because of the redline, I actually enjoy flying through railgun fire because it's the mark of a good pilot to be able to survive in that **** while still getting work done. The redline is just a noob crutch that has no business existing, and is a primitive fix to a complex problem that doesn't actually fix anything. To be fair I also complain about stacking damage mods on vehicles, but that's not strictly a railgun issue I was just bustin your balls. you left yourself wide open. no hard feelings buddy Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 297	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:31:00 - [214] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Buying a decent charicter in EVE is extreamly expensive, normaly around 7-10 BIL for a well skilled charicter, I know I have trained eve alts and sold them for isk, and most of the people who buy alts are people who get isk with money from CCP then go and buy a high skilled charicter to cut out all the training time. So most of the time it is in CCPs benifit to let people sell charicters in EVE. So its not something the average EVE player gets to do any tiem in their EVE life. You also relise you can make another PSN acount make a charicter and set its passive SP on and come back in a few months and be a whole nother person. And no 1 month of training in EVE gets you no where, thats like maybe getting your gun skill from 4-5, unlocking the T2 version and definatly no time for decent suport skills.. kinda like unlocking one proto gun in dust in around a month. Oh and in EVE they dont have SP events every other month givign out 2x or 3x SP. Your trying to use peoples ignorance over how EVEs SP works to make it sound like they have a advantage over dust, but they also have aabout 100 more skills and 8-9 years of development under its belt over DUST. 7-10 bil is expensive? I made 1 bilin my first two months with trading when I started EVE years ago and yes, 1 or 2 month of passive SP gets you very far actually. lvl 5 in cruisers or frigates from another race takes a some like 10 days with implants and proper neural remap and you do not need lvl 5, keep it lvl 4 save alot of time and get the support skills to lvl 4-5 and this is easily done in 1 or 2 months, not to mention that alot of the support skills carry over to other stuff. who is ignorant now? lol You still are, As I said the Average EvE player dosent get 7 bil lightly, and even for 7 bil thats usualy only a charicter speced into one spacific ship with suport skills, like a frighter, or a carrier. And still no, the basic frigate skill is suposed to be quick, its a frig, same with small weapons, both of which are like skilling into a basic lvl 1 scout suit in dust with a basic shot gun, except in dust you could skill into a advanced scout with an advanced shotgun in a month which would be the equivilant of a fully skilled assult frig which take 3 months to obtain. You really have no clue how easy it Is to skill into things in Dust compaired to EVE Stop trying to compaire a frig to proto suits.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:45:00 - [215] - Quote [/quote]You also relise you can make another PSN acount Your trying to use peoples ignorance over how EVEs SP works to make it sound like they have a advantage over dust, but they also have aabout 100 more skills and 8-9 years of development under its belt over DUST.[/quote] Yes I have 2 ALT accounts and I use them as test runs before I put points in my main And I'm sorry I thought I was talking about how eve doesn't get sp resets all the time making you live by the choices you make not what sp system is better or worse.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 299	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:58:00 - [216] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Yes I have 2 ALT accounts and I use them as test runs before I put points in my main And I'm sorry I thought I was talking about how eve doesn't get sp resets all the time making you live by the choices you make not what sp system is better or worse. Um I was arguing with Jack McReady not you good sir, you kinda butchered the quote box that showed that.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.01.17 22:12:00 - [217] - Quote sorry Beck using my phone and I dint notice the botched quotes


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